Awakened Banned 10 days

[khanable]

So if I'm on p99 and alt tab to Facebook or YouTube I will get banned? Cool.

No, don't be dense

If you're alt-tabbing multiple times to get a leg up on content over other people.. it's possible then, yeah

This isn't rocket science

[Ella`Ella]

Good morning, RnF!

[kurtis]

Geeze, that Mikeo guy was one angry lil fella last night. I'm sure Awakened loves the rep he's giving them through his hateful and ignorant comments. I would be ashamed to be grouped with people like that.

[jakerees]

Geeze, that Mikeo guy was one angry lil fella last night. I'm sure Awakened loves the rep he's giving them through his hateful and ignorant comments. I would be ashamed to be grouped with people like that.

You think Awakened cares about their rep at this point?

I joined the server almost three years ago but wasn't able to get into a lot of play time until recently. Only have a couple level 34ish toons to show for it, plus a handful of other alts (I can never focus too much on one toon it seems). I've also only over the last few months paid close attention to the boards. From all this I've determined a couple of things:

1. Awakened players feel they are the best thing on the server and don't care that anyone calls them out for cheating/being rude/etc... they still get pixels, and...

2. I have more playtime now and I have been focused on leveling up just one toon and was trying to get up to 60, but I have no idea why I should waste the time when the raid scene that I've been following the past few months is the way it is.

[kotton05]

Should of seen how it was in kunark bro^

[jakerees]

Should of seen how it was in kunark bro^

Yeah I've always wished I had discovered this server sooner. I stopped playing live in like 2009 maybe. I think it was sometime around then that I discovered the SoD server which was interesting and a little different. Then I finally picked up on p99 but I was in the middle of going through a lot of military trainings so I've not really had a lot of time until now, but even that is time that is also shared with taking care of three little ones. Point is, outside of the fun of taking a toon to 60, I just won't be able to be apart of the batphone raid scene here most likely, nor would I want to get involved with what I've been learning of how things operate in p99 end game.

Oh well, I'll probably keep working on my shaman from time to time to see if I can get up in the upper 50s at least, but all this led me to see if I could remember my live login and password and I was able to. Probably going to spend more of my time on my old warrior I created in April of 2000 who is only level 65 out of 105 and at least try to have some fun somewhere.

[nyclin]

Yeah I've always wished I had discovered this server sooner. I stopped playing live in like 2009 maybe. I think it was sometime around then that I discovered the SoD server which was interesting and a little different. Then I finally picked up on p99 but I was in the middle of going through a lot of military trainings so I've not really had a lot of time until now, but even that is time that is also shared with taking care of three little ones. Point is, outside of the fun of taking a toon to 60, I just won't be able to be apart of the batphone raid scene here most likely, nor would I want to get involved with what I've been learning of how things operate in p99 end game.

Oh well, I'll probably keep working on my shaman from time to time to see if I can get up in the upper 50s at least, but all this led me to see if I could remember my live login and password and I was able to. Probably going to spend more of my time on my old warrior I created in April of 2000 who is only level 65 out of 105 and at least try to have some fun somewhere.

honestly if you have any interest in raiding at all, go check out phinny.. content is instanced, PoP is about to hit and it's gonna be gooooood

[jakerees]

honestly if you have any interest in raiding at all, go check out phinny.. content is instanced, PoP is about to hit and it's gonna be gooooood

I have been considering that the last few days. Could I catch up enough to join up with the former BDA members that moved?

[Relbaic]

I have been considering that the last few days. Could I catch up enough to join up with the former BDA members that moved?

Prob, we have enough people leveling alts and such. And even if it takes some time, PoP is out for 6 months so you'll have plenty of time to catch up during the expansion and still experience the Golden Age of EQ.

[jakerees]

Prob, we have enough people leveling alts and such. And even if it takes some time, PoP is out for 6 months so you'll have plenty of time to catch up during the expansion and still experience the Golden Age of EQ.

Ya'll need any specific classes?

[arsenalpow]

Ya'll need any specific classes?

Sure we do, but play what you enjoy because rerolling to your favorite class after you're geared out is dumb. Also if you don't like loot council (BDA or EoE) there's a dozen dkp guilds doing the same content.

[khanable]

Sure we do

Paladin?

[arsenalpow]

Paladin?

We currently have 1 very active paladin, 1 semi active paladin, and maybe 1 that should materialize for PoP. I'd say most guilds have about that many. Pally is super underrepresented.

[Relbaic]

Paladin?

Does this mean what I think it means? Or are you just getting me excited for nothing?

[khanable]

Does this mean what I think it means? Or are you just getting me excited for nothing?

Not to give anyone erection or anything, but:


Frog paladin

[Ravager]

Not to give anyone erection or anything, but:


Frog paladin
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/chrono/images/8/87/Frog.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080706174016

[bigjerry]

i met a guy on nost that played a female human but roleplayed that he was glenn. like he'd say "ribbit" after every message and speak archaicly. he sent me 500 g00k emojis when I asked if his name was glenn, and wanted to be my friend forever. i pumped then dumped

[Phantasm]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299

12. You may not operate a guild that habitually violates these rules.

Disciplinary issues involving guilds may be addressed with the entire guild. Guilds whose members habitually violate these rules may be issued guild warnings, and can even be permanently disbanded.

Guild Leaders and/or officers may be held accountable for any actions of their guild members, in addition to any other actions that may be taken. It is therefore the responsibility of the guild leadership to ensure that all guild members abide by these rules.

What ever happened to the whole idea of multiple offenses having stacking consequences? Seems to me like there are only 2 guilds getting suspensions (which, lol, this one is the best http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246016). You can keep giving them a week off but obviously its not doing anything.

You can point fingers between other guilds if you want but if you knowingly keep people who are willing to break the rules in your guild you should expect more suspensions. How many suspensions does a guild need before its forcibly disbanded? Maybe we'll see :)

Also, Mefdinkins, when did you start chuggin' that AW Koolaid. They got you good fren.

[Fuddwin]

100 dkp penalty for posting in RNF will do that.

Poor Aftermath (Variety)

[Jorgam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5T_EPV79xc

I used to work right down the street from Officer's Row and Ft. Vancouver.

[Man0warr]

Not to give anyone erection or anything, but:


Frog paladin

You could do it - Legacy of Ykesha unlocks same day as PoP.

[mefdinkins]

Also, Mefdinkins, when did you start chuggin' that AW Koolaid. They got you good fren.

On March 6, 2016, BDA was suspended for stalling on Aveira's Severilous engage. I saw the individuals I played with and knew, who strived to comply with server rules, punished for what I considered an arbitrary interpretation of the rules. Since then I realized that there may be more to the "DIRTY CHEATER" claims made on RNF and have tried to look at the raid scene objectively.

Awakened is just a group of individuals trying to have fun playing P99. We have a RL picture thread, we have lives outside of P99. I was just as shocked in Awakened as I was in BDA to see a lot of players break gamer stereotypes and of course some that reinforce those stereotypes. Awakened isn't some evil entity that sets their batphones up every night and jumps up out of bed to say, "F Everyone Else!" When I do leave my batphone on (I usually turn it off to get a good night's rest) it's because I have fun on a particular encounter and want to try to kill that raid mob with some of my internet buddies. I'd say most of the guild shares that sentiment.

The majority of raiders in Awakened maintain between 15% and 35% attendance, for the last 30 days that is 17 - 39 raids - sometimes 5 targets can take less time than say a whole HOT Raid would in a more casual guild. We also have some of the most hardcore players in the game who invest a lot into tracking and FTE'ing. Awakened has a good system because the batphone warriors support the hardcore players and vice versa. The officers have promoted growth and created a system that properly rewards contributions to the guild and incentivizes people to keep contributing and stay motivated.

Awakened has also molded itself to be successful in the current P99 raid environment. Were multiple guilds and players "alt+tabbing?" Yes. Does Awakened set out to violate server rules or crush casuals? No. Does Awakened's competition and 'min-maxing' push out or monopolize content for casuals? Unfortunately, yes. Could a much more casual guild kill Zlandicar? Hell yes. Could they do so on 10 minutes notice at 3:00am on a Tuesday? Probably not.

I don't think that Aw, AM, CSG, of FAV molding and adjusting their guild's policies and practices is some giant reflection of the ethics or morals of P99. Two weeks ago I didn't think it was immoral to screen share during bind sight or unethical to "alt+tab." Now that the raid rules have been made clear, I think it would be unethical to knowingly violate P99's prohibition on "alt+tab jumping" during an FTE race. I don't think that Hjial is a bad person because he alt tabbed on 12/19. I don't think that Awakened are bad people for killing Vulak on 12/19.

So why am I in Awakened Vetus? It fits well for me and is easy to maintain low to average attendance in Awakened because raids can happen 24/7 in any week. With more raiding it also means if there's a big target in window or something exciting happening I don't have to feel guilty skipping or missing it b/c we'll likely see that encounter again soon. I also love that after a million years I finally saw all the content Velious/Kunark have to offer. The guild has great numbers, so I never feel guilty about calling it a night even if some targets are due to spawn soon. In some ways I feel free to play more casually than I did in a casual guild. I also enjoy playing with a lot of people. In arguably the most social game ever, I enjoy being social with many and have benefited from a lot of my guildies' help and I really enjoy reciprocating that assistance when I can. Competing more in this environment has also let me work on mechanics and develop as a player. I am proud to be in Awakened and I do enjoy being the self titled dopest ass gnome wizard in the guild.

All that being said, I think it's embarrassing that I take this game serious enough to spend so much time on it and on the corresponding forums. I also think it's childish for people to lash out at other humans so much over this game. There's occasions where I feel bad for people who play, I also feel bad for people who seem to have their ego very tightly wrapped around their self perceived success/lack of success/or previous success on P99. I don't have much animus towards anyone on this game and I don't hate any individual solely because of their guild tag.

So Vetus, my TLDR of "when did I start chugging the Awakened Koolaid" is: when I realized characters on P99 are more than their just their guild tag and decided I would not make judgments on other players based on hate and anger filled RNF posts.

[Mistle]

"Unfortunately, yes" to pushing casuals out of content? You do realize no one is holding a gun to your head to do this right?

I mean, you say all the right things, but when you're sitting in muck and all around you is squealing and snorting, maybe what you say isn't really the important part.

[khanable]

Mefdinkins was in bda? Lol

Guess that's why the name is familiar

[Hevie]

Unfortunately (fortunately) EverQuest raiding was designed to promote competition. We all have different ideas about what is fun.. personally, I couldnt give a shit about loot (I can still log into my monk/war/etc and gawk at shrouds and sods etc).. the only enjoyment I get from EverQuest is the competition. Rotations would kill that dead. I understand that there are a lot of players who simply want to fight bosses at their leisure.. to them I say go play Phinny or some emulated server that promotes taking turns.

I got a lot of grief on Live from Triton, Harmonium, Altera Vita and many other guilds. I spent a lot of time wishing I had been able to see more content than I currently had. But, those pitfalls made killing that content much much more enjoyable and I wouldn't have it any other way.

What I could do without is the clown show rule set, the over saturation of raiders per content, and the borked timeline

[Phantasm]

All i meant was, if youre gonna break the rules and get caught may as well fess up and try to minimize the loss. This "well they were doing it to" bullshit is what makes the raid scene what it is.

If youre having fun, by all means please do, but dont pretend either of the As are going to change their tactics because of a single missed cycle

[Hevie]

Vetus of were very cool while I knew you in BDA but sadly you seem to have grown very bitter.

Got caught? Please.

[Daldaen]

Unfortunately (fortunately) EverQuest raiding was designed to promote competition. We all have different ideas about what is fun.. personally, I couldnt give a shit about loot (I can still log into my monk/war/etc and gawk at shrouds and sods etc).. the only enjoyment I get from EverQuest is the competition. Rotations would kill that dead. I understand that there are a lot of players who simply want to fight bosses at their leisure.. to them I say go play Phinny or some emulated server that promotes taking turns.

I got a lot of grief on Live from Triton, Harmonium, Altera Vita and many other guilds. I spent a lot of time wishing I had been able to see more content than I currently had. But, those pitfalls made killing that content much much more enjoyable and I wouldn't have it any other way.

What I could do without is the clown show rule set, the over saturation of raiders per content, and the borked timeline

Dunno I never really cared for inter-guild competition. Instead make challenging PvE Raid content and let me compete against the mechanics of the raid. It's actually possible to do this in a way such that only the guilds who play the best win the raids and the bad guilds continually wipe until they collapse, merge or have a break through.

PoP - Guilds failed at Bertoxulous, Rallos Zek, Fennin Ro, Coirnav, Dust Ring, Warlord Gintolaken, Rathe Council, Tallon Zek (Time), and Rallos Zek (Time) due to the mechanics in these events.
GoD - Holy shit everything to start. Now that it's tuned back... Ikkinz 3/4, Uqua, Inktuta the Cursecallers and Noqufiel, High Priest in Txevu, Zun Muram in Txevu, North Snake Tacvi, Balance Zun Tacvi and Tunat Muram.
OoW - Queen/King in RSS, MPG Adapation and Foresight Trials, Jelvan, Arch Magus and OMM
DoN - Vishimtar
DoDH - Emperor Draygun, Sendaii, Demiplane Sister, Hatchet, Redfang, Performer and Mayong


Etc. etc. These are all raids that took many guilds 5-10-20+ attempts to beat. Finally having everything click and beating the event was the best experience. I recall finally beating Fumerak in sepulchre after probably 20 wipes, beating the First Creation in Convorteum after 20ish wipes. Hell basically every single Underfoot raid was awesome to kill first time through. Brell himself holy shit was that encounter awesome before it was watered down.

But... getting to a mob before another guild did at 3 AM, meh I'll pass doesn't do anything for me.

[Hevie]

One of the most rewarding kills for me on Live was getting Emperor down at 3 AM with 55 (mostly 2-3box) after being cockblocking for months.

[Phantasm]

Vetus of were very cool while I knew you in BDA but sadly you seem to have grown very bitter.

Got caught? Please.

Im a far stretch from active but what played out is like this:
Two cars are speeding down the highway. The cars are going the same speed. One car gets pulled over for soeeding. The pulled over car pleads "But he was speeding too!" Or, depending who you ask, "He was speeding first!!"

Do I think AM should get the same punishment? Absolutely, but dont pretend innocence. "I manipulated my FPS so i could run/jump faster." While not denoted as against the rules, obviously not in the spirit of the rules. Does that really sound like a legit mechanic to you?

[Hevie]

Cockblocked

[Relbaic]

Vetus of were very cool while I knew you in BDA but sadly you seem to have grown very bitter.

Got caught? Please.

Vetus has always been bitter.

[Phantasm]

Fuck you Relbaic

[Maner]

Unfortunately (fortunately) EverQuest raiding was designed to promote competition. We all have different ideas about what is fun.. personally, I couldnt give a shit about loot (I can still log into my monk/war/etc and gawk at shrouds and sods etc).. the only enjoyment I get from EverQuest is the competition. Rotations would kill that dead. I understand that there are a lot of players who simply want to fight bosses at their leisure.. to them I say go play Phinny or some emulated server that promotes taking turns.

I got a lot of grief on Live from Triton, Harmonium, Altera Vita and many other guilds. I spent a lot of time wishing I had been able to see more content than I currently had. But, those pitfalls made killing that content much much more enjoyable and I wouldn't have it any other way.

What I could do without is the clown show rule set, the over saturation of raiders per content, and the borked timeline

I remember harmonium and AV from Xev but i dont remember triton.. and fuck QS for waking the sleeper

[BallzDeep]

Im a far stretch from active but what played out is like this:
Two cars are speeding down the highway. The cars are going the same speed. One car gets pulled over for soeeding. The pulled over car pleads "But he was speeding too!" Or, depending who you ask, "He was speeding first!!"

Do I think AM should get the same punishment? Absolutely, but dont pretend innocence. "I manipulated my FPS so i could run/jump faster." While not denoted as against the rules, obviously not in the spirit of the rules. Does that really sound like a legit mechanic to you?

Bad analogy. Speeding is a well known law that has consequences. This would make more sense if they were both racing on the AutoBahn at 200mph. A cop pulls one of them over because the other one called the police even though they were both driving reckless. While there is no law on speeding on the Autobahn, it was still reckless.

[BallzDeep]

Triton was from Povar.

[Relbaic]

Fuck you Relbaic

Hi friend

[BallzDeep]

First into VT and part of the massive cross server cockblock for VT entry.

[Maner]

Maner. Do you remember Peritus. If so, do you remember a Bard named Sperit

hmm, Sperit seems familiar but not the guild name. I had a paladin with the name Maneranae due to the name generator, jumped guilds a little bit but was in divine prophecy along with harmonium and AV the most on xev

[t3kn34k]

Bad analogy. Speeding is a well known law that has consequences. This would make more sense if they were both racing on the AutoBahn at 200mph. A cop pulls one of them over because the other one called the police even though they were both driving reckless. While there is no law on speeding on the Autobahn, it was still reckless.

Bad analogy. You have two retards in the special Olympics both trying to get the gold medal. Both were using steroids to try to gain an advantage, but then the judges ruled that one of the drugs the retards were using is unfair and illegal. One of the retards kept taking the drugs and was disqualified from the next set of races. You may have won a ton of previous races but the end of the day you're still an autistic drug addict.

[manguard]

For you intelligent RnF people. Serious question here, is it illegal to auto run+strafe then to alt+tab out of windowed EQ then click back in? By doing this it will lock the strafe+auto run feature allowing you to be able to just steer with the mouse. Is this within spirit of the rules or is this also illegal?

rule lawyering is definitely the way to go

[khanable]

rule lawyering is definitely the way to go

it's worked so well thus far

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

Dunno I never really cared for inter-guild competition. Instead make challenging PvE Raid content and let me compete against the mechanics of the raid. It's actually possible to do this in a way such that only the guilds who play the best win the raids and the bad guilds continually wipe until they collapse, merge or have a break through.

PoP - Guilds failed at Bertoxulous, Rallos Zek, Fennin Ro, Coirnav, Dust Ring, Warlord Gintolaken, Rathe Council, Tallon Zek (Time), and Rallos Zek (Time) due to the mechanics in these events.
GoD - Holy shit everything to start. Now that it's tuned back... Ikkinz 3/4, Uqua, Inktuta the Cursecallers and Noqufiel, High Priest in Txevu, Zun Muram in Txevu, North Snake Tacvi, Balance Zun Tacvi and Tunat Muram.
OoW - Queen/King in RSS, MPG Adapation and Foresight Trials, Jelvan, Arch Magus and OMM
DoN - Vishimtar
DoDH - Emperor Draygun, Sendaii, Demiplane Sister, Hatchet, Redfang, Performer and Mayong


Etc. etc. These are all raids that took many guilds 5-10-20+ attempts to beat. Finally having everything click and beating the event was the best experience. I recall finally beating Fumerak in sepulchre after probably 20 wipes, beating the First Creation in Convorteum after 20ish wipes. Hell basically every single Underfoot raid was awesome to kill first time through. Brell himself holy shit was that encounter awesome before it was watered down.

But... getting to a mob before another guild did at 3 AM, meh I'll pass doesn't do anything for me.

Big difference here is p99 content is 17 years old and didn't JUST come out. Server firsts on encounters that nobody has completed are exciting. Killing the same dragon by reading the walk through about it online and for the 100th time that's been done for 17 years isn't exciting.

[kotton05]

This is actually a serious question of mine since the grey areas are endless.

Yea exploiting what the game isn't meant to do is wrong in the GMs eyes. If you feel innocent you're gonna need a nice rule lawyer and to wait. Sounds sketch. I was always put off of running by the frame rate bug everyone used.

[Vianna]

All it literally does it locks it. So you can just steer with your mouse. But soon jumping will be illegal also. #feelsbadforgnomes

Well you can lock strafe without alt+tab. Sounds like you are doing it he hard way.

[Hevie]

The Magic 8 Ball says, 'try again later'

[Lammy]

DoDH - Emperor Draygun, Sendaii, Demiplane Sister, Hatchet, Redfang, Performer and Mayong



Some of the best raiding IMO. Couldn't warm body those raids. Ahh.. the journey! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7NCR1mjIR8

[Daldaen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aekkukHS7HA

If you watch closely you can see Daldaen in this raid on our very first kill.

[nyclin]

For you intelligent RnF people. Serious question here, is it illegal to auto run+strafe then to alt+tab out of windowed EQ then click back in? By doing this it will lock the strafe+auto run feature allowing you to be able to just steer with the mouse. Is this within spirit of the rules or is this also illegal?

for the record, i always respected your fte skills

the answer here is to not talk about it, not report it, don't take video, and use it as you see fit. nobody can detect this sort of thing unless it's brought out into the open willingly. it's likely been used for years on this server, but you're one of the few people to talk openly about it and describe its use.

the message sirken is sending by suspending one of the two guilds who used these tactics is that extreme secrecy regarding these grey-area tactics is in the best interest of anyone using them. all it takes is one party to build a case, and the other pays - even if other parties have admitted to using it.

perception is king - one man's cheating is another's emergent gameplay. the sad part to all of this, is that this tactic is classic as fuck and would have been possible in 2001. fall speed & turn rates have always been tied to framerate.

for a server that actively implements era-appropriate bugs and removes QoL features in the name of "being classic," it's kinda disappointing to see the spirit of EQ violated

i apologize in advance for my seriouspost, please remember to use lube

[BallzDeep]

Bad analogy. You have two retards in the special Olympics both trying to get the gold medal. Both were using steroids to try to gain an advantage, but then the judges ruled that one of the drugs the retards were using is unfair and illegal. One of the retards kept taking the drugs and was disqualified from the next set of races. You may have won a ton of previous races but the end of the day you're still an autistic drug addict.

No wonder you're so stupid. You watch the special olympics.

[Morbo the Annihilator]

Yea exploiting what the game isn't meant to do is wrong in the GMs eyes. If you feel innocent you're gonna need a nice rule lawyer and to wait. Sounds sketch. I was always put off of running by the frame rate bug everyone used.

What the game is "meant" to do, and the player made agreement are two different things.

player-made agreement = FTE foot race, maximum SOW speed.
anything that allows someone to travel at faster-than-sow speed is considered illegal.

things that may be considered against what the game is "meant" to do:
- alt-tabbing to drop frames and increase run speed during de-elevation = travelling faster than SOW.
- strafe running = travelling faster than SOW.
- jumping whilst running = travelling faster than SOW.

if SOW is the maximum allowable speed for an FTE foot race, then strafe running and jumping whilst running must also fall into the category of "travelling faster than SOW".

policing one method (alt-tabbing) and disregarding all other methods just emphasises how grey this grey issue is.

so either burden everyone with iron-gripped, draconian blanket ban of all forms of faster-than-sow travelling, or just accept alt-tabbing as just another quirk of a very old game.

[Fianna]

How does it feel to be a cheater apologist?

[khanable]

How does it feel to be a cheater apologist?

He's from Taken

He knows no other life

[Daldaen]

Lol Dald you were Myth Lords? I was with them for a lil bit myself before I ended up in Machin Shin and eventually Dark Horizon. Your name isn't very familiar from back then though. I think by the time DoDH was out I was in DH.

I was in Machin Shin for awhile. Was an officer and raid leader over there from around SoD -> VoA.

And regarding the "nothing faster than SoW" stuff that's been brought up.

You guys should check out Live after the latest patch.

- Added a velocity label to the stats page of the inventory window which will display your current movement speed.
- Changed the display of the 'Attack' statistic to show its component parts: 'Offense' and 'Accuracy':
- - The Offense stat increases your likelihood to deal more damage when you land a melee attack and is countered by your opponent's Mitigation stat.
- - The Accuracy stat increases your likelihood to land a hit on your opponent in melee combat and is countered by your opponent's Evasion stat.
- Changed the display of the 'Armor Class' statistic to show its component parts: 'Mitigation' and 'Evasion':
- - The Mitigation stat increases the likelihood for you to take less damage when you are hit by a melee attack and is countered by your opponent's Offense stat.
- - The Evasion stat increases the likelihood for you to avoid being hit by a melee attack and is countered by your opponent's Accuracy stat.
- - Spell descriptions that report the amount of Armor Class granted by buffs should now report a more accurate value.

I was messing around with the Velocity value for a bit the other day. When standing still it has a 0 value (the value is in units moved per second). When running forward with SoE (70% Movement) the value is 48. When straffing the value is 50. When backpeddling or sidestrafing the value is 30. I've yet to test out swimming and ducked movement...

The game actually does register numerically that someone running forward while strafing does increase your speed faster than SoW. Go forth nerds; Lawyerquest that strafing can be quantitatively proven to increase your speed faster than SoW!

[Daldaen]

Oh also the nerds who love to see how AC and ATK work, that patch shows the real values not the long standing made up ones shown in your UI. Which is interesting and may actually prove useful for determining AC balance here if someone were to investigate further.

[Baler]

The only fact that matters is,. Is it classic?
If it is classic. Move on.
If it's not classic. Is there anything the staff can actually do to fix it for us.

I wouldn't mind being able to alt tab and browse the web when levi running across DL. Just saying.

[kotton05]

What the game is "meant" to do, and the player made agreement are two different things.

player-made agreement = FTE foot race, maximum SOW speed.
anything that allows someone to travel at faster-than-sow speed is considered illegal.

things that may be considered against what the game is "meant" to do:
- alt-tabbing to drop frames and increase run speed during de-elevation = travelling faster than SOW.
- strafe running = travelling faster than SOW.
- jumping whilst running = travelling faster than SOW.

if SOW is the maximum allowable speed for an FTE foot race, then strafe running and jumping whilst running must also fall into the category of "travelling faster than SOW".

policing one method (alt-tabbing) and disregarding all other methods just emphasises how grey this grey issue is.

so either burden everyone with iron-gripped, draconian blanket ban of all forms of faster-than-sow travelling, or just accept alt-tabbing as just another quirk of a very old game.

Welcome to p99. Where you should consult a GM if you're doing anything remotely sketchy to see if it will get you in trouble rather than just keep exploiting to horde pixels for alt #3. That's where you went wrong. While sirken has a history of doing fly by punishments. I'm certain if you brought it up to him when detoxx asked about stopping it this would of been avoided. That's why I follow snacks. He knows all the nuances and what not to do. Blame AW leadership imo for not looking into it. Blinded by the pixels and sheeple they are ( in my best yoda voice )

[kotton05]

The only fact that matters is,. Is it classic?
If it is classic. Move on.
If it's not classic. Is there anything the staff can actually do to fix it for us.

I wouldn't mind being able to alt tab and browse the web when levi running across DL. Just saying.

You can since it's not exploiting a mechanic. There is are endless ways to spin this but if you don't see the diff between the casual alt tab and the alt tab that is a clear exploit of run speed then idk what to say.

[Daldaen]

People are being dumb if they think alt tabing to watch pron during a long camp and alt tabbing to speed yourself up in a "competitive" race is equivalent.

Stop being dumb nerds.

[Phantasm]

Feign innocence.
Feign ignorance.
When they both fail, call for a change of the rules

[khanable]

I think we need a pacman rule

can only run in straight lines and make 90 degree turns and that's it

[Daldaen]

Need to just turn the raid scene into the Purge. Anything goes, may the neckbeardiest survive.

[kotton05]

Need to just turn the raid scene into the Purge. Anything goes, may the neckbeardiest survive.

Yes, no rules just plenty of tears. That's how vp was.

[Neetas1320]

After playing the phinny server and taking a good little break, and then coming back. It amazes me how the GMS put up with this day after day week after week. Give em a break lol. Actually playing the game is way way more fun than sitting there tracking all day and then arguing and posting on rnf every time you lose a dragon :P gms here take care of the raid scene like a spoiled toddler who constantly cries to get what they want! Play with class, be humble, have fun, and dont skip work or class for pixels! =P

[Rygar]

All it literally does it locks it. So you can just steer with your mouse. But soon jumping will be illegal also. #feelsbadforgnomes

As far as I know you can't do this without Alt+Tab clicking, so illegal. Just use common sense, Sirken has said he's not laying out concrete rules because then people are just going to find some way else to cheat or manipulate said rules or cry, "You never said this was against the rules!!". If it sounds sketchy, don't use it.

In terms of classic, as far as I know, you could never run EQ in Windowed mode throughout Velious and in almost every case of Alt+Tabbing I would go LD. Even in the rare case I didn't crash, it wasn't some insta-click back, had a lot of delay. Ahh the days when I resorted to having a binder with EQ Atlas maps printed out...

[Caiu]

If you start to strafe run then press T it will "lock" you into the strafing such that you only have to aim with the mouse. No alt tabbing required!

[Rygar]

If you start to strafe run then press T it will "lock" you into the strafing such that you only have to aim with the mouse. No alt tabbing required!

I play on a laptop with no mouse (only trackpad), I steer with the arrow keys while in First Person view the entire time. Come at me haters.

What is the T key used for? Is it a lockview or something? Can't recall off the top of my head. Depending on you answer, I'm sure Daldaen will know if that was a classic command or result of Titanium UI.

[khanable]

What is the T key used for?

:eek:

[Papa]

People are being dumb if they think alt tabing to watch pron during a long camp and alt tabbing to speed yourself up in a "competitive" race is equivalent.

Stop being dumb nerds.

people don't honestly believe that. they're just making the point that it's a ridiculous concept for CSR to be policing if people alt-tab or not at all

and since it literally can't be proven unless you post a fraps of yourself actually doing it, it's not going to stop

[xKoopa]

All u gotta do is run and strafe then press enter to lock the strafe and mouse steer

[nyclin]

All u gotta do is run and strafe then press enter to lock the strafe and mouse steer

yep, or hit t, or R, or anything that opens the chat input

only works if you have a key bound to strafe specifically though, if its bound to turn left/right then you'll just run in circles

[mattydef]

Unfortunately (fortunately) EverQuest raiding was designed to promote competition. We all have different ideas about what is fun.. personally, I couldnt give a shit about loot (I can still log into my monk/war/etc and gawk at shrouds and sods etc).. the only enjoyment I get from EverQuest is the competition. Rotations would kill that dead. I understand that there are a lot of players who simply want to fight bosses at their leisure.. to them I say go play Phinny or some emulated server that promotes taking turns.

I got a lot of grief on Live from Triton, Harmonium, Altera Vita and many other guilds. I spent a lot of time wishing I had been able to see more content than I currently had. But, those pitfalls made killing that content much much more enjoyable and I wouldn't have it any other way.

What I could do without is the clown show rule set, the over saturation of raiders per content, and the borked timeline
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this fucking guy only continues to play on this time locked Everquest PVE server for the weekly "competition" of foot racing on an rpg to see who dies to the dwagon first. Holy shit this made my day.

[Hevie]

this fucking guy only continues to play on this time locked Everquest PVE server

Do I? Consider Ark.

[Rygar]

:eek:

so just opening up chat locks strafe in place?! laaaaaame!

In other news, saw those racing videos of Vulak and statue, etc. Kinda sickening to see the alt+tab used so frequent like that. Definitely not possible in classic, a single alt+tab would basically minimize your screen back in windows 98 or whatever.

[mattydef]

Do I? Consider Ark.

Let me guess, you also exclusively play against AI bots on league of legends for the extreme competitiveness.

[Neetas1320]

Coming up with tactics like minimizing your screen to make yourself run faster is ambition created from pixel lust. Not the drive for competition. =P

[Hevie]

Let me guess, you also exclusively play against AI bots on league of legends for the extreme competitiveness.

Ark. The game is still unfinished but very cut-throat.

[kotton05]

On March 6, 2016, BDA was suspended for stalling on Aveira's Severilous engage. I saw the individuals I played with and knew, who strived to comply with server rules, punished for what I considered an arbitrary interpretation of the rules. Since then I realized that there may be more to the "DIRTY CHEATER" claims made on RNF and have tried to look at the raid scene objectively.

Awakened is just a group of individuals trying to have fun playing P99. We have a RL picture thread, we have lives outside of P99. I was just as shocked in Awakened as I was in BDA to see a lot of players break gamer stereotypes and of course some that reinforce those stereotypes. Awakened isn't some evil entity that sets their batphones up every night and jumps up out of bed to say, "F Everyone Else!" When I do leave my batphone on (I usually turn it off to get a good night's rest) it's because I have fun on a particular encounter and want to try to kill that raid mob with some of my internet buddies. I'd say most of the guild shares that sentiment.

The majority of raiders in Awakened maintain between 15% and 35% attendance, for the last 30 days that is 17 - 39 raids - sometimes 5 targets can take less time than say a whole HOT Raid would in a more casual guild. We also have some of the most hardcore players in the game who invest a lot into tracking and FTE'ing. Awakened has a good system because the batphone warriors support the hardcore players and vice versa. The officers have promoted growth and created a system that properly rewards contributions to the guild and incentivizes people to keep contributing and stay motivated.

Awakened has also molded itself to be successful in the current P99 raid environment. Were multiple guilds and players "alt+tabbing?" Yes. Does Awakened set out to violate server rules or crush casuals? No. Does Awakened's competition and 'min-maxing' push out or monopolize content for casuals? Unfortunately, yes. Could a much more casual guild kill Zlandicar? Hell yes. Could they do so on 10 minutes notice at 3:00am on a Tuesday? Probably not.

I don't think that Aw, AM, CSG, of FAV molding and adjusting their guild's policies and practices is some giant reflection of the ethics or morals of P99. Two weeks ago I didn't think it was immoral to screen share during bind sight or unethical to "alt+tab." Now that the raid rules have been made clear, I think it would be unethical to knowingly violate P99's prohibition on "alt+tab jumping" during an FTE race. I don't think that Hjial is a bad person because he alt tabbed on 12/19. I don't think that Awakened are bad people for killing Vulak on 12/19.

So why am I in Awakened Vetus? It fits well for me and is easy to maintain low to average attendance in Awakened because raids can happen 24/7 in any week. With more raiding it also means if there's a big target in window or something exciting happening I don't have to feel guilty skipping or missing it b/c we'll likely see that encounter again soon. I also love that after a million years I finally saw all the content Velious/Kunark have to offer. The guild has great numbers, so I never feel guilty about calling it a night even if some targets are due to spawn soon. In some ways I feel free to play more casually than I did in a casual guild. I also enjoy playing with a lot of people. In arguably the most social game ever, I enjoy being social with many and have benefited from a lot of my guildies' help and I really enjoy reciprocating that assistance when I can. Competing more in this environment has also let me work on mechanics and develop as a player. I am proud to be in Awakened and I do enjoy being the self titled dopest ass gnome wizard in the guild.

All that being said, I think it's embarrassing that I take this game serious enough to spend so much time on it and on the corresponding forums. I also think it's childish for people to lash out at other humans so much over this game. There's occasions where I feel bad for people who play, I also feel bad for people who seem to have their ego very tightly wrapped around their self perceived success/lack of success/or previous success on P99. I don't have much animus towards anyone on this game and I don't hate any individual solely because of their guild tag.

So Vetus, my TLDR of "when did I start chugging the Awakened Koolaid" is: when I realized characters on P99 are more than their just their guild tag and decided I would not make judgments on other players based on hate and anger filled RNF posts.

Or you wanted easy pixels from cheaters. No respect for the ez road. Also holy shit man. Learn to get the fucking point.

[Neetas1320]

If the drive for competition is what people were after then you wouldnt see guilds break up after 2 weeks of missing targets. There are many many many ship jumpers who just leave their guild if they arent getting kills. and the other guild will always accept the ship jumper. makes the whole raid scene a mess,

[mefdinkins]

Or you wanted easy pixels from cheaters. No respect for the ez road. Also holy shit man. Learn to get the fucking point.

Merkk, I thought adding some context would allow readers understand my position. Obviously, based on your response you did not understand what I wrote.

Also, I said I don't judge anyone based on their guild tag alone but holy shit, I def. judge people by the way they treat others in game and on the forums.

[kurtis]

If you judge people off of what they say on RNF, you might want to take a step back and grow a pair. It's all in good fun.

[khanable]

If you judge people off of what they say on RNF, you might want to take a step back and grow a pair. It's all in good fun.

^^

[mefdinkins]

If you judge people off of what they say on RNF, you might want to take a step back and grow a pair. It's all in good fun.

god damnit now i have no balls? i can't win in here, RNF is not the place for me

[Phantasm]

Reason/logic have no place in RnF.

[Cecily]

Feel free to judge me by what I say here. It's a pretty accurate representation.

[Ravager]

god damnit now i have no balls? i can't win in here, RNF is not the place for me
You could do worse. You could be the guy who thinks it takes balls to mouth off on a forum and "beat" people at an elf sim.

[Bubbles]

Some of us are playing the meta game and realize the longer these threads get, the better chance there is for an earthquake or two in the next couple days. :)

[Swish]

If you judge people off of what they say on RNF, you might want to take a step back and grow a pair. It's all in good fun.

I'm judged solely on this. If you've met me in the game you know I'm great to group with and there's good times ahead <3

Seriously though, do try red server and don't let corrupt guilds lead you down a shitty path that suits them more than anyone else.

[Skew]

Some of us are playing the meta game and realize the longer these threads get, the better chance there is for an earthquake or two in the next couple days. :)

Paging Fingerz.

[Ella`Ella]

Probably a good time to fire this thread back up

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264102

[Swish]

Probably a good time to fire this thread back up

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264102

Just swinging by with this

http://i.imgur.com/VHUZrE6.gif

[Skew]

Paging Fingerz.

Maybe Swifty is the hero we need for a rumble this weekend.

[JboxCSU]

lol lolololol lol lawl lol rofl roflcopter banned again.

[Tankdan]

I just got home from work, what hap.... OH LAWD

[Mistle]

Should probably just sticky this thread.

[Ella`Ella]

Should probably just sticky this thread.

LOLd hard

[Prismaticshop]

Should probably just sticky this thread.

[Phantasm]

Bumping to save time/trouble in the coming days

[Prismaticshop]

Lol