Awakened Banned 10 days

[Speedi]

A little birdie told me that Breaken tried to get Hjial to write out some kind of formal apology, even though Hjial has carried that guild's loot train for months. He told Breaken to get fucked and left. How will Awakened respond to losing (easily) their best runner?

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If the above quote is 100% true, that is pretty sad. I don't know Hijal at all. But the fact he was doing it for his guild, and they was benefitting a lot from it. Then Awakened gets punished and they turn against him. Really? When all along the leadership knew he was doing it. If they wanted him to stop I am sure he would have if the leadership asked him to. So if anything it's the leadership that should owe an apology to their members, not the player.

[Hevie]

If the above quote is 100% true, that is pretty sad. I don't know Hijal at all. But the fact he was doing it for his guild, and they was benefitting a lot from it. Then Awakened gets punished and they turn against him. Really? When all along the leadership knew he was doing it. If they wanted him to stop I am sure he would have if the leadership asked him to. So if anything it's the leadership that should owe an apology to their members, not the player.

Yes. The scapegoating, high chair, hindsight 20 20 bs is real here.

[kurtis]

100% truth

[Erati]

Nemce - Im not a member of that Guild Leader Skype group but is Sirken a part of it?

All I was saying is there is zero proof any of this occured after the day the direct Sirken quote surfaced and correct me if im wrong (bc again Im not in that chat) but did Braknar or Sirken ever address to the guild leader skype chat ab this situation that seemed to only recently in Dec boil over to a potential fairness issue w the FTE races?

[bktroost]

soooo nemce you do realize we've all been talking about a suspension for an event that occurred on 12/19 right?

Huh. That's interesting. I didn't realize this was from 12/19. As I said, I have no idea what conversations have gone on before hand. I'm actually coming in really late to this party because until this month I had no idea what alt tab jumping is. I just found out that both guilds admitted it was illegal in a skype chat and then went to Sirken to say "Is this illegal?" and they said "yes." I know that AW publiclly said they wouldn't do it anymore and Detoxx privately told the guild leaders that they won't be doing it.

Then someone got suspended. Didn't realize it was a suspension from before that conversation. But I do see that both those guilds acknowledged in skype that they've been doing it since VP wars in Kunark and knew then that it was illegal.

IDK, I'm a casual noob with a TV screen to the inside of the elephant graveyard. Lots of bones in here. Lots of skeletons in these closets. It's a scary place.

[Ella`Ella]

You mother fuckers just got Aftermath suspended for asking for too many concessions, yet ya'll up in here pounding your chests over the injustice for exploiting mechanics...

[Lazie]

Huh. That's interesting. I didn't realize this was from 12/19. As I said, I have no idea what conversations have gone on before hand. I'm actually coming in really late to this party because until this month I had no idea what alt tab jumping is. I just found out that both guilds admitted it was illegal in a skype chat and then went to Sirken to say "Is this illegal?" and they said "yes." I know that AW publiclly said they wouldn't do it anymore and Detoxx privately told the guild leaders that they won't be doing it.

Then someone got suspended. Didn't realize it was a suspension from before that conversation. But I do see that both those guilds acknowledged in skype that they've been doing it since VP wars in Kunark and knew then that it was illegal.

IDK, I'm a casual noob with a TV screen to the inside of the elephant graveyard. Lots of bones in here. Lots of skeletons in these closets. It's a scary place.

Most people had levitate in VP when they ran. You could skip a few areas with levitate. If jumping was used at all it would have only been in certain dragon Hallways. But levitate gave you a much bigger advantage than jumping in VP.

[Ella`Ella]

...That said, if this was such an issue why wouldn't they just disabled windowed mode then this alt tab meta would be shutdown.

No way - 90% of high end P99 is about YouTubing on your other monitor.

[nectarprime]

Confirmed Nectarprime is a timid little bitch and takes offense to other timid little bitches being called out for being timid little bitches. Mad bro?

no I'm laughing at the neckbeard permavigins who are acting like tough guys

[Lazie]

Alt tabbing is illegal. All you fuckers with your screen shares open on one box better watch your asses cuz big daddy is going to smite you. That said, if this was such an issue why wouldn't they just disabled windowed mode then this alt tab meta would be shutdown. No, instead we can just ride our high horse knee jerk decisions and just start dropping ban hammers. Clowns

You are upset and it is understandable. Just remember this is a video game that you are taking this serious.

[Daldaen]

On another note. Ventani just dropped another Shroud on Takp. Stuff is rotated there and you don't gotta hate your competition.

So are you in Destiny then?

[nectarprime]

Wait. How do you know where our tough guy dicks have been. Now you're just making assumptions.

damn an you are spamming f5 so hard. nice meltdown

[Baler]

Daldaen I didn't know you were such a forum druid.
level 60 for almost a decade and still picking fights over your class's legitimacy.

[Lazie]

You mother fuckers just got Aftermath suspended for asking for too many concessions, yet ya'll up in here pounding your chests over the injustice for exploiting mechanics...

It is entertaining to read.

[Lazie]

So are you in Destiny then?

Yes. I lead some of the raids from time to time for them.

[BallzDeep]

It's pretty dumb anyway. As much people want to bitch about not telling members to stop.....How do you even regulate some bullshit like that? How hard is it for Detoxx or Breaken for that matter to say, "Ok, let's stop" and continue anyway?

Atleast they told you to fuck off since there is no way to regulate minus everyone streaming.

[Daldaen]

Nice. Have you guys taken a run at Vyemm yet? And how many people do you typically get in your raid?

I keep to myself largely over there so I'm not sure on how the raid rotation / progression has been working on since Velious launch.

[Lazie]

Nice. Have you guys taken a run at Vyemm yet? And how many people do you typically get in your raid?

I keep to myself largely over there so I'm not sure on how the raid rotation / progression has been working on since Velious launch.

We get 35 to 45 for ToV and about 50 for Kael raids.

People worry a lot about their CoV faction so we have finally started to get them away from that to get 40+ in ToV. Vyemm as you know is not doable with sub 40. So we have bypassed him lately but we plan to kill him soon now that we got Nukem's Clerics to 60.

[Daldaen]

Lol that guy made 3 wizards and rolled with three level 60 wizards during Kunark. I'm assuming he went clerics for CH chaining Vyemm/AoW?

You guys should charm the green chicken Drake at Eashen for that 25% Disease Slow $$$. Love classic mechanics like charming charmsble mobs.

[Lazie]

Lol that guy made 3 wizards and rolled with three level 60 wizards during Kunark. I'm assuming he went clerics for CH chaining Vyemm/AoW?

You guys should charm the green chicken Drake at Eashen for that 25% Disease Slow $$$. Love classic mechanics like charming charmsble mobs.

Yeah we needed the clerics for those 2. We got unslowed idol down to 2% so we needed a bit more for AoW.

[mefdinkins]

Huh. That's interesting. I didn't realize this was from 12/19. As I said, I have no idea what conversations have gone on before hand. I'm actually coming in really late to this party because until this month I had no idea what alt tab jumping is.

So, this person doesn't even know what "alt tabbing" is and they're somehow the authority on the legality of this?

Hjial was 100% transparent about alt+tabbing, he publicly posted videos and helped level the playing field by sharing his strategies and paths. Within this thread there's already posts of AM alt tabbing as well and now all of AM's video suddenly go private? Hjial didn't post one video which later led to a two Vulak concession and AM threw a fit, where are their videos? I stood on the Kael FTE line while CSR dt'ed people who had their feet across the starting line and listened to Hjial (AW) and Detoxx (AM) openly talk about alt tab running. I have to respect Hjial for being honest about this and forthcoming.

The race on 12/19 that led to this suspension is not a case of "everyone is doping (illegal) and Lance Armstrong is an asshole so some high achievers also feel they need to take steroids." It's "wow Golden State is making 46% of their three pointers (not illegal), we need to start taking more 3 pointers." Now that the staff has spoken I respect that it's a rule, however, I just don't see how this is punishable.

I have to give props to the rules lawyers who got this suspension. It's tough to keep up with raid rules as it is and ex post facto rules are just impossible to comply with! Ex post facto laws are laws that punish as a crime an act previously committed, which was innocent when done. These laws are expressly prohibited in the United States Constitution because many of the Founders regarded retroactive laws, both civil and criminal, as contrary to the principle of legality itself.

[Hevie]

^^^^^^ well said.

[Kodim]

Something something none of you pay for this server.

[Erati]

"Anything that alters your frame rate whether be 3rd party or within the game is not allowed during ToV/Kael FTE foot races"

^ thats literally all that ever had to be written into the rules without having to throw an entire community of Everquest players under the bus.

[khanable]

yes you guys are such victims

/mourn

I never hid anything about what I did because I felt it was meta. Everybody has their opinion; I openly talked about it and I explained to the competition how to do it so they to could use what I felt was a legit mechanic that was not a 3rd party program etc. I started playing this game in March and self power leveled myself to 60 and joined Awakened in June2016. I'm not aware of the bugs/exploits in VP so this alt tab jump mechanic seemed legal in my eyes.

no one cares about your sob story cheater

and for the record the aftermath folks that also did this are fire giants as well

[Cecily]

I never hid anything about what I did because I felt it was meta. Everybody has their opinion; I openly talked about it and I explained to the competition how to do it so they to could use what I felt was a legit mechanic that was not a 3rd party program etc. I started playing this game in March and self power leveled myself to 60 and joined Awakened in June2016. I'm not aware of the bugs/exploits in VP so this alt tab jump mechanic seemed legal in my eyes.

A witch! A witch!

[khanable]

I'm not giving you my sob story. I'm giving you my feedback on this situation, I could give a shit less. I'm not in either of these guilds.

>gets awakened suspended by cheating
>gets booted
>'i don't give a shit i'm not in either of these guilds'

i like your style

[Hevie]

Sirken got Awakened suspended. Had any of this been verified as illegal it would've stopped long ago.

I don't think Sirken feels bad about slapping unjustified bans on Awakened because they get so many kills as it is.. he uses it as an excuse to let the other kiddies use the sandbox.

Problem for Awakened now is the fact that Hjial isn't on their team. Kill lists might get smaller.

[Fasttimes]

Which is worse, smaller or none at all ? I'm sure we would be just fine with "smaller".

This is what I say as an Asian man myself

[khanable]

Sirken got Awakened suspended.
/QUOTE]

yeah cause sirken was running around exploiting

that makes sense

[QUOTE=Bigmoneybabybaby;2446507]The shit I've gotten after the fact makes me not give a shit. Yes

sorry your former leaders are shit leaders?

if nuffin can find peace, you can find peace

[Hevie]

I'm probably much happier with none at all. To each his own. P99 is a massive sausage fest with 5000 raiders standing around with their dicks in their hands waiting for a woman with a 16 hour variance to materialize.

And if you're trying to suggest Hjial is solely to blame for Awakened getting none at all for the next week you are wrong.

[nyclin]

And if you're trying to suggest Hjial is solely to blame for Awakened getting none at all for the next week you are wrong.

nah just for the last two suspensions because 1) he lied to officers about the vulak fte from over the line and 2) kept posting fraps of him alt+tab jumping despite multiple people telling him that it would be perceived as cheating and to not do it

hjial's adderall-hyped ego is the only thing to blame here

[Hevie]

Hjial told the officers all about his false start. Just because you weren't told doesn't mean he tried to keep it secret.

[BallzDeep]

Lol this thread is pretty ironic. AM complaining about the other guild is cheaters and harboring a cheater. Said cheater leaves guild and AM would without a doubt pick him right up. Irony no?

Still think they aren't a bunch of idiots?

[BallzDeep]

I guess it's okay as long as he's on their side right?

[Hevie]

The officers have a persona to uphold.

[Bellringer]

YEAH RNF WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Bellringer]

I'm sure glad we can post in RNF!

[BallzDeep]

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Sirken did this shit out of pity every few years. I've noticed a trend going around. Said guild dominates competition for 6months-years. People complain and bitch about the cheating and dominating. Guild gets banned or suspended after awhile to the point where it causes division in the guild. New guild comes around and emerges after the other is beat by suspensions. New guild does same thing.

[entruil]

this orange sherbet is fucking good.

[Pokesan]

is this the end of Awakened?

[Lazie]

is this the end of Awakened?

Hopefully not. Hopefully it is just the end of the FTE retardation that has persisted on this server for way too long. When the name of the game is to get FTE on a mob for a one hour shot to kill it....People are going to come up with onvnetive tactics to ensure that FTE. I was one of those people for a bit on here too. It isn't worth the time commitment or the headaches from dealing with petitions.

[kurtis]

I'm sure glad we can post in RNF!

ayyyyy it's a bellringer

[Lazie]

inventive* ^^ is the typo in my previous post.

[nyclin]

All good. Seems the warm body useless fucks in Awakened are a bunch of ungrateful fucks. I ll miss playing with the small handful of people that mattered to me. The rest of you can smd.

i'm sure they're all very grateful for the 20 days vacation they've had recently

[stonez138]

they are literally regulating what you can and can't do on your own computer (like alt tab to post on forums while you're raiding)

noice

You need to look up the definition of literally, because that's not even fucking close to what happened.

[arsenalpow]

should be first to kill the boss wins

not the first idiot to die to it gets an hour for his crew of unemployed low T Emulated shitbags to try a 18 year old broken boss on a dirty emu server

Low T makes me laugh more than cucks, let's use that more often

[nyclin]

You're a bad troll. Try again dickwad

who knew you were so good at fte, that you managed to get FTE on not one but two suspensions for your guild

is that better?

most of the raid loot hjial purchased was droppable, pretty obvious he intends to RMT off of the server after burning out & getting his guild suspended twice

[Bruno]

I don't need to RMT. I make 6 figures. Try again.

Six figures in pesos? ToV sprinters can't be getting paid that much.

[Swish]

should be first to kill the boss wins

not the first idiot to die to it gets an hour for his crew of unemployed low T Emulated shitbags to try a 18 year old broken boss on a dirty emu server

Make it a dps race and watch the 500 wizards LFG in every zone :D

[Tankdan]

Are bros really quitting Awakened or am I being lied to in my own thread? I just got home, I cant physically read 30 pages.

[Raev]

I don't need to RMT. I make 6 figures. Try again.

I'm curious to know what job pays 100K+ and also allows you huge amounts of time to wall stare in TOV.

[Morbo the Annihilator]

All good. Seems the warm body useless fucks in Awakened are a bunch of ungrateful fucks. I ll miss playing with the small handful of people that mattered to me. The rest of you can smd.

It's always curious to see a person that is devoted to one guild, encounter an issue that causes them to fall on their own sword, then they become so vehemently opposed to that guild that they lash out blindly at everyone inside of it.
It has happened a few times.

You have no reason to dislike 90%+ of the members of Awakened, yet here you are publicly blowing up.

anyway, on behalf of the warm body useless fucks in Awakened, don't feel that we are ungrateful. we're probably just disappointed that we have 10 days on the bench, but there's plenty of fun things to do on everquest that doesn't involved killing bosses.

Hope you find some enjoyment somewhere on p99.

See you on the FTE line
(just kidding)

[kurtis]

Hjial, you know you still my negro

See ya on the Facebooks

[Nommis]

http://i.imgur.com/OVGCUmh.gif

"Let he who is without sin make their youtube FTE videos open to the public again."

For what it's worth, Hj was super-transparent about everything. There was nothing to hide.

More evolving clear-cut rules on public forums and there's no issues.

[Lammy]

More like

http://i.imgur.com/rb9mI8W.jpg

[Tankdan]

I'm curious to know what job pays 100K+ and also allows you huge amounts of time to wall stare in TOV.

Construction Worker for public works project is $49/hour and $98/hr hour weekends. Ill post my next stub when I get it

[Burrito]

Sad to see all this shit blow up. Good luck Hjial.

[Swish]

Sad to see all this shit blow up. Good luck Hjial.

[Kagey]

Yes very sad to see friends end this way in a game that has always brought me joy. Sporadic competition drama can be entertaining in a way, but this is has gone too a whole different level.
Best of luck on your travels frnd

[Prismaticshop]

Merchant Mariner. Work 11-15 days a month. Still time to hit the gym. Fuck your girlfriend. Sock FTE lines.

So,

You make 6 figures, hit the gym, fuck people's girlfriends AND cheat at elf simulator by alt-tabbing.

Don't forget to mention the latter when you are at the bar working on fucking someone's girlfriend by flashing your oiled chest and atleast 8333 $ paychecks.

God I love p99

[Swish]

I'm a young doctor, I'm better than all of you

[Pokesan]

Hjial actually seems pretty normal, relatively speaking, and it sucks Awakened is forcing him out.

[Ella`Ella]

Can we get a running list of all the players jumping ship from Awakened?

1) Hijal
2) ???

[Bruno]

Hjial actually seems pretty normal, relatively speaking, and it sucks Awakened is forcing him out.

Sucks for who? Best thing that could ever happen to someone is being forced out and just becoming part of the board warrior crew. They did him a favor if he really does quit. Maybe he can make 200k a year now.

[Emsee]

AW+AM are the Christian vs. Muslim debate we face today. AW just happens to be Trump supporters....

[Hevie]

Rewl gifs are truly epic

[Tankdan]

AW just happens to be Trump supporters....

highly doubt that

[raato]

Did I understand this correctly?

Awakened leadership gives 100% seal of approval to their players cheat to secure wins even after asked to stop it by other guild leaders and they do nothing to stop those players from posting youtube videos about themselves cheating?

And then after they get in trouble from that, they get rid of that player who happened to win most FTE races by cheating (eventho they gave him full support to do so) and try to save their own face by accusing other guilds also cheating instead of expressing their regrets to p99 community how they took things a bit too far?

Sounds like a solid leadership over there.

---

One thing is for sure, if footrace rules remain as they are, there is no way to police that alt-tab jumping happens without players posting their cheat videos online and there is still next to 0 chances for guilds who respect the rules to win footraces, no matter how much time they invest into it.

[Bellringer]

You did not understand it correctly Raato.

[RedXIII]

Did I understand this correctly?

Awakened leadership gives 100% seal of approval to their players cheat to secure wins even after asked to stop it by other guild leaders and they do nothing to stop those players from posting youtube videos about themselves cheating?

And then after they get in trouble from that, they get rid of that player who happened to win most FTE races by cheating (eventho they gave him full support to do so) and try to save their own face by accusing other guilds also cheating instead of expressing their regrets to p99 community how they took things a bit too far?

Sounds like a solid leadership over there.

---

One thing is for sure, if footrace rules remain as they are, there is no way to police that alt-tab jumping happens without players posting their cheat videos online and there is still next to 0 chances for guilds who respect the rules to win footraces, no matter how much time they invest into it.

You sound truly mad and misinformed my friend. Seek help.

Hjial as an app had more fte's then lots of guilds in this server and alt+tab was not a thing back there. Wanna trow the guy name in the mud? do it with information and not biased QQ'in about fte races to try and estabilish a server rotation to suit your lazy as fuck casual needs.

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race. Alt+tab is beatable, several people who doesn't alt tab have beaten Hjial, Mistin, Detoxx in races. Belive what you want but its not this huge omg so fast exploit that everyone wanna belive.

[RedXIII]

You sound truly mad and misinformed my friend. Seek help.

Hjial as an app had more fte's then lots of guilds in this server and alt+tab was not a thing back there. Wanna trow the guy name in the mud? do it with information and not biased QQ'in about fte races to try and estabilish a server rotation to suit your lazy as fuck casual needs.

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race. Alt+tab is beatable, several people who doesn't alt tab have beaten Hjial, Mistin, Detoxx(Most famous alt+tabbers) in races. Belive what you want but its not this huge omg so fast exploit that everyone wanna belive.

[Yoink1986]

Poor red..

[kotton05]

Yea you can still beat alt tab runners if you're already ahead but if it's neck and neck they will gain that slight ground on you which is why they do it.

Raato- you're mistaking, seems awakened is saving face with this but has relied on techniques that would put a person who abides by the rules at a distinct disadvantage. I'm sure not all was aware of this exploit as it's a secret they passed down to new runners mostly. So only the FTE core supports it full and I'm sure the warm body was for it when it netted them pixels. Now that it costs them pixels they are crucifying Hijal is what I gather.

[Prismaticshop]

You did understand it correctly Raato.

^ this

[kotton05]

You did not understand it correctly Raato.

God I read this as didn't* not did. Guess we on same page raato

[Relbaic]

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race.

Lol

[Culkasi]

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race.

Racing in a fixed race? Where people openly cheat? That seems like a terrible waste of time. Raato has raced a lot, and won quite a few, in Kael, so its not that he "doesn't have the balls", and CSG often have racers in ToV, but its always seemed very dumb "knowing" some people didn't play by the rules, and, guess what, we were right, they didn't.

For some people on this server, winning is more important than playing, and as long as staff feels thats the best possible raid scene, nothing will change - this week its alt-tabbing, next week its something else.

[Ravager]

You sound truly mad and misinformed my friend. Seek help.

Hjial as an app had more fte's then lots of guilds in this server and alt+tab was not a thing back there. Wanna trow the guy name in the mud? do it with information and not biased QQ'in about fte races to try and estabilish a server rotation to suit your lazy as fuck casual needs.

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race. Alt+tab is beatable, several people who doesn't alt tab have beaten Hjial, Mistin, Detoxx in races. Belive what you want but its not this huge omg so fast exploit that everyone wanna belive.
lol'd, that's some hardcore macho stuff. I'm sure they'll feature it in Expendables 4.

[kurtis]

Cliffnotes: Hjial carries Awakened to scores of FTEs over the past several months. Hjial gets guild a 10 day break for doing the alt tab meta game. Awakened, to "save face", throws Hjial under the bus and tries to get him to make some grand apology, essentially turning their back on someone that has been one of the main reasons for their success in races. Hjial tells Breaken to get fucked, and here we are.

[Bellringer]

Cliffnotes: Hjial carries Awakened to scores of FTEs over the past several months. Hjial gets guild a 10 day break for doing the alt tab meta game. Awakened, to "save face", throws Hjial under the bus and tries to get him to make some grand apology, essentially turning their back on someone that has been one of the main reasons for their success in races. Hjial tells Breaken to get fucked, and here we are.

You get your accounts back yet gimp?

[kurtis]

You get your accounts back yet gimp?

I got my forum account banned for a month for saying mean things, so I can't even see what the petition says.

[Prismaticshop]

My sodium levels are so high that I make tipos when editing fake quotes

[Bellringer]

Nah he was emulating detoxx

[arsenalpow]

Racing in a fixed race? Where people openly cheat? That seems like a terrible waste of time. Raato has raced a lot, and won quite a few, in Kael, so its not that he "doesn't have the balls", and CSG often have racers in ToV, but its always seemed very dumb "knowing" some people didn't play by the rules, and, guess what, we were right, they didn't.

For some people on this server, winning is more important than playing, and as long as staff feels thats the best possible raid scene, nothing will change - this week its alt-tabbing, next week its something else.

If the staff would just make sure every scenario is covered it wouldn't be an issue. Zero transparency means you don't know the racing "meta" so you're doomed to lose the vast majority of the time. Then sirken suspends one guild when both had been doing it and both admitted openly that it was an employed tactic. The whole thing is gross.

[raato]

You sound truly mad and misinformed my friend. Seek help.

Hjial as an app had more fte's then lots of guilds in this server and alt+tab was not a thing back there. Wanna trow the guy name in the mud? do it with information and not biased QQ'in about fte races to try and estabilish a server rotation to suit your lazy as fuck casual needs.

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race. Alt+tab is beatable, several people who doesn't alt tab have beaten Hjial, Mistin, Detoxx in races. Belive what you want but its not this huge omg so fast exploit that everyone wanna belive.

I have been racing and got few KT FTEs as a proof and some ToV FTEs. All I know I have had alot more success in Kael (where alt-tab isnt a thing) than in ToV.

I do know how alt-tab jumping works and I know it doesn't give HUGE advantage, but it still does give advantage. And no matter how much you try to convince otherwise there isn't much chance for those who doesn't want to cheat against those who cheat.

Your comment just makes it even more look like Awakened leadership crucifies good players to save their own faces when they had full knowledge about the cheat and still didn't tell their players to stop using it after being asked to. And I don't wanna throw a guy in the mud for his leaders decisions, but seems like your guild wants.

[Junias]

Your comment just makes it even more look like Awakened leadership crucifies good players to save their own faces when they had full knowledge about the cheat and still didn't tell their players to stop using it after being asked to.

You sure do like to talk a lot about things that you have zero clue on. Really surprising coming from a CSG officer to be speculating and flaming like this.

[manguard]

You sound truly mad and misinformed my friend. Seek help.

Hjial as an app had more fte's then lots of guilds in this server and alt+tab was not a thing back there. Wanna trow the guy name in the mud? do it with information and not biased QQ'in about fte races to try and estabilish a server rotation to suit your lazy as fuck casual needs.

Before you say something dumb like that, have the balls to come race. Alt+tab is beatable, several people who doesn't alt tab have beaten Hjial, Mistin, Detoxx in races. Belive what you want but its not this huge omg so fast exploit that everyone wanna belive.

jesus please take a chill pill or something, your blood pressure has gotta be sky high with all that salt. Raato is one of the few CSGs actually putting our asses on the racing line and making shit happen.

[kotton05]

You sure do like to talk a lot about things that you have zero clue on. Really surprising coming from a CSG officer to be speculating and flaming like this.

This far from a flame raato. It doesn't matter if he's CSG or not, he's right. He doesn't sound clueless either. He sounds bitter knowing a few are ruining it for anyone not cheating....

[khanable]

If the staff would just make sure every scenario is covered it wouldn't be an issue. Zero transparency means you don't know the racing "meta" so you're doomed to lose the vast majority of the time. Then sirken suspends one guild when both had been doing it and both admitted openly that it was an employed tactic. The whole thing is gross.

Aftermath probably didn't have any documented wins from alt-tabbing, which probably explains why they weren't suspended. Always did seem like you could do whatever the fuck you wanted but once it turned into a gain it was open for suspension. I still think both parties should get kicked in the nuts on this one, though.

And it's probably easier to just make a rule that outlines explicitly what is allowed vs what isn't - fuckery emerges from all sorts of unpredictable areas. I'm of the belief the current rule set was pretty clear to not be doing anything other than strafe running with sow and using your one stamina bars worth of jumps. If this wasn't clear to A/A then they're both retarded and should have known better based on what happened after shadow masks and rile jumping - two things not written down, but ruled against the spirit of the rule.

[kurtis]

You sure do like to talk a lot about things that you have zero clue on. Really surprising coming from a CSG officer to be speculating and flaming like this.

Uhhhh, he's almost dead on with his assessment.

Not sure what planet you're living on.

[arsenalpow]

But isn't it just 10000% easier and less shady to just document this shit when a new grey area tactic pops up? Then you don't have up and coming guilds out of the loop, and you don't have this perceived bias. That's really the gross part for me, it feels like the staff could not give two shits about clean competition when they keep rulings locked behind the Skype group of break Detoxx and getsome.

[Swish]

If the staff would just make sure every scenario is covered it wouldn't be an issue. Zero transparency means you don't know the racing "meta" so you're doomed to lose the vast majority of the time. Then sirken suspends one guild when both had been doing it and both admitted openly that it was an employed tactic. The whole thing is gross.

Why you bashing staff mate? Because they wouldn't put a nice ring fenced Velious rotation in?

[raato]

You sure do like to talk a lot about things that you have zero clue on. Really surprising coming from a CSG officer to be speculating and flaming like this.

Please, do enlighten me what I'm misunderstanding? Did Aw officers tell their players to stop using alt-tab jumping? Did they not ask him to make some public apology about it when there was alot more than just him in Aw that were/are still using the same thing? Did he get kicked out or did he just leave the guild after denying the public apology?

I'm not really flaming, just trying to understand how this whole scenario goes.

[Bellringer]

Your comment just makes it even more look like Awakened leadership crucifies good players to save their own faces when they had full knowledge about the cheat and still didn't tell their players to stop using it after being asked to. And I don't wanna throw a guy in the mud for his leaders decisions, but seems like your guild wants.

This is where you have a fact or two wrong raato

[Junias]

This far from a flame raato. It doesn't matter if he's CSG or not, he's right. He doesn't sound clueless either. He sounds bitter knowing a few are ruining it for anyone not cheating....

Note that I didn't argue anything he said about FTEing. He's simply making assumptions about leadership and treatment of Hjial without having any real information. Speculating and jumping to conclusions in RNF is not what I'd expect from a respected guilds officers.

[RedXIII]

I am old enough to have seen Nalken cheat to get FTE's in VP.
I have seen people alt+tab to win in ToV... and still here i am, not cheating and with ALL my youtube videos still showing because i have nothing to hide. I doubt the competition can say the same thing about it.

So instead of blaming some cheating scandal for been a loser, do better. Its possible.

As Chest said, players in both guilds were doing this and only one gets the ban hammer... sounds good. ;)

[khanable]

But isn't it just 10000% easier and less shady to just document this shit when a new grey area tactic pops up? Then you don't have up and coming guilds out of the loop, and you don't have this perceived bias. That's really the gross part for me, it feels like the staff could not give two shits about clean competition when they keep rulings locked behind the Skype group of break Detoxx and getsome.

Grey area shit goes undetected for a while and lands wins. Itll be an uphill battle of low tier nerds not in the loop on this months grey area shit that hasn't been publicly outed.

If the goal is even ground it should just be stated what is allowed and anything outside of that is illegal and open to suspension (which imo most guilds are already operating under this assumption ).

Or nuke all limits and let the beardiest survive!

[khanable]

If they didn't have any fte vids with the chat, why did they suddenly set all their vids to private....

Hence my choice word "documented". I don't doubt they alt-tabbed their way to victory somewhere; but they beat you to the punch getting the paperwork filed and covered their asses better.

[arsenalpow]

I'm not the biggest fan of the Phinny ruleset but it's at least consistent and less grimy.

[kotton05]

Note that I didn't argue anything he said about FTEing. He's simply making assumptions about leadership and treatment of Hjial without having any real information. Speculating and jumping to conclusions in RNF is not what I'd expect from a respected guilds officers.

Where should these speculations and conclusions occur? Rnf has always been about airing out server problems. You can either post like adults, which raato is or go full retard, which he isn't lol. The whole rnf stigma is silly. nothing disrespectful or demeaning in his statements. he's just trying to understand. I'd rather see transparency and read what officers etc think. Which is why I always laughed at some guilds banning rnf unless on an anon account. It's their way of trying to recruit people who don't know better that they're all shit heads. I don't think his posts will deter a Europa app at all if that's the route you're taking.

[Ravager]

Or nuke all limits and let the beardiest survive!
So you want a 2nd red server?

[khanable]

So you want a 2nd red server?

I don't know how you came to this conclusion

[kotton05]

So you want a 2nd red server?

there are currently -2 players on that server

[Daldaen]

Aftermath probably didn't have any documented wins from alt-tabbing, which probably explains why they weren't suspended. Always did seem like you could do whatever the fuck you wanted but once it turned into a gain it was open for suspension. I still think both parties should get kicked in the nuts on this one, though.

And it's probably easier to just make a rule that outlines explicitly what is allowed vs what isn't - fuckery emerges from all sorts of unpredictable areas. I'm of the belief the current rule set was pretty clear to not be doing anything other than strafe running with sow and using your one stamina bars worth of jumps. If this wasn't clear to A/A then they're both retarded and should have known better based on what happened after shadow masks and rile jumping - two things not written down, but ruled against the spirit of the rule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EotU_uEquQ4

Nah they won FTEs just like Awakened did using the unclassic ability to click off the screen to lower FPS. Wouldn't happen if we couldn't ALT TAB like you could in classic. Down with the Titanium client, WTB Trilogy client!

But really, you are right. There are a lot of things that go against the spirit of the rules, that guilds do. Mainly because they aren't explicitly banned. And while having crystal clear rules would be lovely, the game is so dynamic with so many nuances it's very difficult to cover every single thing. Though when a ruling like this is made, it should just be added into the stickies raid rules list so anyone who is new or doesn't follow RNF or dig through 2 year old raid petitions can see that it is explicitly prohibited.

This behavior though is pretty difficult to see and police unless you have fraps from the offending player. So while it's great to ban it, I fully expect people to still do it since it's difficult to prove. Just the way some nerds operate. The sickness to acquire Yellow Text at any cost seems to be the only similarity between Red and Blue.

At this point just rotate everything but the top mobs like Vulak, Vyemm, Dozekar, Statue, King Tormax, Phara Dar, ST Golems and ST Dragons (when they put sleeper back down). Just make those mobs FFA to get FTE, no kiting rules or any of that shit, kite if you want. Sit under it with a Gate pot, Mage CotH, poopsock spawn with 90 Nerds. Whatever you want. Casual players can deal without the top pixel mobs and still be happy to raid NToV and other shit.

That should remove most of the fraps worth events except when someone purposefully trains you. Basically the only time staff should get involved anyways.

I thought racing would be an improvement over Magician CoTH. And it slightly is, because Mage CotH FTE is retarded, but it opens up far more grey areas which nerds feel they need to operate in to win pixelage.

[khanable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EotU_uEquQ4

Nah they won FTEs just like Awakened did using the unclassic ability to click off the screen to lower FPS. Wouldn't happen if we couldn't ALT TAB like you could in classic. Down with the Titanium client, WTB Trilogy client!

But really, you are right. There are a lot of things that go against the spirit of the rules, that guilds do. Mainly because they aren't explicitly banned. And while having crystal clear rules would be lovely, the game is so dynamic with so many nuances it's very difficult to cover every single thing. Though when a ruling like this is made, it should just be added into the stickies raid rules list so anyone who is new or doesn't follow RNF or dig through 2 year old raid petitions can see that it is explicitly prohibited.

This behavior though is pretty difficult to see and police unless you have fraps from the offending player. So while it's great to ban it, I fully expect people to still do it since it's difficult to prove. Just the way some nerds operate. The sickness to acquire Yellow Text at any cost seems to be the only similarity between Red and Blue.

At this point just rotate everything but the top mobs like Vulak, Vyemm, Dozekar, Statue, King Tormax, Phara Dar, ST Golems and ST Dragons (when they put sleeper back down). Just make those mobs FFA to get FTE, no kiting rules or any of that shit, kite if you want. Sit under it with a Gate pot, Mage CotH, poopsock spawn with 90 Nerds. Whatever you want. Casual players can deal without the top pixel mobs and still be happy to raid NToV and other shit.

That should remove most of the fraps worth events except when someone purposefully trains you. Basically the only time staff should get involved anyways.

I thought racing would be an improvement over Magician CoTH. And it slightly is, because Mage CotH FTE is retarded, but it opens up far more grey areas which nerds feel they need to operate in to win pixelage.

Like I said I don't doubt aftermath used it and won too. Another thing to consider are the skype logs showing Detard continuously asking to cease the practice. Breaken, being a shit leader, continued to do this bullshit forcing the fuckery downhill. That probably played a role in aftermath not eating shit on this too.

And I think Verant got into some serious shit with Microsoft over disabling tabbing, didn't they? :p

[Domo]

I still think that high lvl guilds should fight with naked lvl 1 charakters in a arena for a Boss.
Would be more fun for all.

Additional we could say that we have more PVP on blue then on red, which would be a nice bonus :)



Cinad - lvl 60 cleric applicant of <Europa>

[Ravager]

Additional we could say that we have more PVP on blue then on red, which would be a nice bonus :)
This might be true already.

[kotton05]

I always thought sirken should of started a post of his own describing each ruling , with the evidence supporting his ruling, that would become a public reference when petitioning / looking to get into the high end raid scene. I mean most court cases are public knowledge after the fact. But then again fuck em big sirks you prolly just don't want that head ache.

[arsenalpow]

It's a bigger headache and shitstorm to deal with it after the fact though.

[Daldaen]

Like I said I don't doubt aftermath used it and won too. Another thing to consider are the skype logs showing Detard continuously asking to cease the practice. Breaken, being a shit leader, continued to do this bullshit forcing the fuckery downhill. That probably played a role in aftermath not eating shit on this too.

And I think Verant got into some serious shit with Microsoft over disabling tabbing, didn't they? :p

I'm sure he told Hjial to stop as well after Detoxx pestered him about it.

But the problem is always policing. You can only guarantee someone isn't doing this if you have their fraps from their view. The difference to an onlooker is so nuanced it can't really feasibly be policed. So sure, it's against the rules and you've told your guild to do so. Being that the trust level between these guilds is somehow a negative value, you could never guarantee the other guild would be following the rules as well.

I guarantee you some nerds will continue to do this, in both guilds, even after this ruling. Even when both guilds I'm sure at this point, have made it clear it is against the rules. Just because these nerds know it gives them a small edge, they can't really be caught unless they're dumb enough to post their own fraps, and most guilds have individual incentives to getting FTEs which pushes nerds to neckbeard.

Would be the same had Sirken laid down the law back in the VP days about Skype Screensharing those dragons. You can ban it sure, but it's almost impossible to enforce this sort of ban.

So as I said before. Let nerds nerd to their hearts content on top tier targets, and rotate the rest. Sirken make me raid scene GM and I'll Make P99 Great Again.

[Erati]

Another thing to consider are the skype logs showing Detard continuously asking to cease the practice. Breaken, being a shit leader, continued to do this bullshit forcing the fuckery downhill. That probably played a role in aftermath not eating shit on this too.


Insane how much credit you give The Toxx with his fruitless requests to cease fire when
A. Its near impossible to prove without first person video evidence, how the fuck can a cease fire even occur without every runner submitting videos after FTE
B. He was a serial and admitted user, yet everyone glosses over this bc he made an impossible request
(If I asked you Cucumbers to stop the rampant random hacking of people's accounts while being logged into an account I hacked, do I get an award for the tip off?)
C. Leadership did not condone or encourage this practice but again, when its out there that not only both sides used this unpolicable method including their guild leader, what exactly can one do, we all know how hard he is to trust when you are competing with him...

This could have ended in so many better ways that dont throw an Everquest community under the bus, yes playing a bit of a victim card but go look at steroids in professional sports - shit is human nature and always always always has a scapegoat when that's not early the full picture. Aftermath's petition against Awakened is akin to Roger Clemens pointing at Barry Bonds while shaking his head saying "What a cheater".

[Ella`Ella]

Insane how much credit you give The Toxx with his fruitless requests to cease fire when
A. Its near impossible to prove without first person video evidence, how the fuck can a cease fire even occur without every runner submitting videos after FTE
B. He was a serial and admitted user, yet everyone glosses over this bc he made an impossible request
(If I asked you Cucumbers to stop the rampant random hacking of people's accounts while being logged into an account I hacked, do I get an award for the tip off?)
C. Leadership did not condone or encourage this practice but again, when its out there that not only both sides used this unpolicable method including their guild leader, what exactly can one do, we all know how hard he is to trust when you are competing with him...

This could have ended in so many better ways that dont throw an Everquest community under the bus, yes playing a bit of a victim card but go look at steroids in professional sports - shit is human nature and always always always has a scapegoat when that's not early the full picture. Aftermath's petition against Awakened is akin to Roger Clemens pointing at Barry Bonds while shaking his head saying "What a cheater".

It's pretty easy actually - both guild leaders agree to tell all their members and officers to cease the use of it. If any officers or the leader catches someone doing it, the person immediately gets guild removed. Further, Detoxx and Breaken agree that neither guild will accept any player removed from the opposing guild that is removed for this.

And your leadership did condone it by not discouraging it or at least attempting to discontinue it. Don't be a blind follower, Eratani. Most of the server has far more respect for you than that.

[Daldaen]

The only way to be caught is if they show you their fraps though... That's the problem. There is no trust between these guilds. They just outright assume the other one will not follow the agreement.

Thus why Aftermath continued to use this. Because they didn't think Awakened would stop. Also why Awakened wouldn't agree to a ceasefire, they didn't believe Aftermath would stop.

[khanable]

Insane how much credit you give The Toxx with his fruitless requests to cease fire when
A. Its near impossible to prove without first person video evidence, how the fuck can a cease fire even occur without every runner submitting videos after FTE
B. He was a serial and admitted user, yet everyone glosses over this bc he made an impossible request
(If I asked you Cucumbers to stop the rampant random hacking of people's accounts while being logged into an account I hacked, do I get an award for the tip off?)
C. Leadership did not condone or encourage this practice but again, when its out there that not only both sides used this unpolicable method including their guild leader, what exactly can one do, we all know how hard he is to trust when you are competing with him...

This could have ended in so many better ways that dont throw an Everquest community under the bus, yes playing a bit of a victim card but go look at steroids in professional sports - shit is human nature and always always always has a scapegoat when that's not early the full picture. Aftermath's petition against Awakened is akin to Roger Clemens pointing at Barry Bonds while shaking his head saying "What a cheater".

A) Several people in this thread have commented on how transparent Hjial was with uploading his FTE videos. If Breaken did as Daldean says he did ("spoke with him after Detoxx's pestering"), then this could have been enforceable on your end just by looking at his videos. The fact that his videos were online and showed him constantly doing this is reason enough to believe that Breaken flat-out ignored Detoxx's requests and continued to allow his members to push what should be an obviously illegal tactic.
B) What does this change? You're not willing to take the high road because you don't know if the opposition will follow suit? Sounds like a bunch of projection bullshit to me.
C) And this is why you're all a bunch of ineffective shitty leaders. You should have discouraged this within your playerbase and been watching for it. You can sit here and say it's not policeable all you want but everyone knows that is complete and utter bullshit. How many fraps do you exchange with Aftermath on the regular? If you both of agree to stop tab-jumping and it's present in an unrelated video, guess what - you've just policed it! And better yet, you can revert to your agreement to not fucking do it to use as leverage with Sirken!

And yes, this could have ended much better for Awakened - Breaken could have not thrown his puny dick around with Detoxx and just agreed to it, and then acted like a leader and booted anyone that didn't follow his orders to not do it (namely, Hjial, the guy who was apparently super transparent and posted all his videos online). Instead ya'll took the 'well no one can prove anything and we can't trust anyone else to not do it so lets just keep being shitty' road and look where it landed you! Your guild leader is trying to save face and pointing fingers at everyone but himself while actively shitposting on other guilds recruitment threads. What a fucking embarrassment. Never thought I'd see the day where a guildleader looks less reasonable than Detoxx.

less reasonable than detoxx

[kurtis]

Brutal.

[Ella`Ella]

less reasonable than detoxx

[arsenalpow]

Less reasonable than Detoxx for good reason, can't trust him.

Where's that raid forum thread from right before we jumped to Phinny. Detoxx had some spiel about how "this server is more than just A/A" and "let's make the raid scene better" as he shits on the server for another 6 months until it took massive sirken suspensions to give non A/A guilds a shot at content.

[Swish]

Less reasonable than Detoxx for good reason, can't trust him.

Where's that raid forum thread from right before we jumped to Phinny. Detoxx had some spiel about how "this server is more than just A/A" and "let's make the raid scene better" as he shits on the server for another 6 months until it took massive sirken suspensions to give non A/A guilds a shot at content.

HOOOOOLLLLLYYYY SHIT!

Did Chest just call someone out on shitting up the raid scene? Did I just read that?

Allow me to reinform you of how you indirectly disbanded casual guilds because your zerg guild needed pixels and you had to find a way to lock casual guilds out of the casual raiding tier. How trying to make Gorenaire a test of whether a casual guild could raid in your rotation was "fair"...and how the rules were formed so that the 2 largest casually hardcore guilds who didn't want to step up could guarantee themselves 2 out of 3 Class R Kunark dragons. You had hundreds of VP keys towards the end of it, but no... don't step up, just go for gold.

BDA took the biggest shit on casual players in this server's history, and then Chest calls someone else out mocking them for exactly what he did.

In summary: http://i.imgur.com/ejLw5u1.jpg


The only difference is it backfired for you because you couldn't compete when Velious hit and you were forced off the server due to not being able to feed pixels to a 70-80 strong guild that never stopped recruiting :o

[mefdinkins]

Cucumbers, I would have thought that being in multiple guilds from 'semi-casual' to officer of 'super-hardcore' you'd know better. The status quo for the last 6-ish months was that Awakened is killing the most mobs on the server. Detoxx has been trying to disrupt that status quo in anyway he can -- even if that means petitioning a practice that he uses himself.

Breaken and the majority of the officer core within Awakened are great leaders as shown by the strength of their guild.

[Erati]

@Cucs

I love the power of hindsight as well, its pretty incredible already knowing what happened then looking back and figuring out how to not arrive at the current present.

Aftermath gets a pass for their use bc their GL was the first to request a ceasefire of an unpolicable tactic so we will wash away all their abusers and the community will act like they never did it because AM gives out some uncontested mobs.

Got it.

No one even cares that the conversation about halting this tactic was pretty recent and after the petition had already been filed. It would have gone a long way to come to us directly with their claim, threaten to petition if we didnt stop THEN tried to get us to agree but that's not how AM rolls ( hats off to the lawyers )

This was a ruse all along to get some logs of the two GLs talking about this ( knowing Breaken wouldnt agree bc you cant police ) all while the petition sat. Cannot be more slimey tbh and even if Breaken said 'sure, we will do what we can' that petition would have still been active and more than likely result in the same raid suspension.

Hippos always gonna crit.

[BallzDeep]

A) Several people in this thread have commented on how transparent Hjial was with uploading his FTE videos. If Breaken did as Daldean says he did ("spoke with him after Detoxx's pestering"), then this could have been enforceable on your end just by looking at his videos. The fact that his videos were online and showed him constantly doing this is reason enough to believe that Breaken flat-out ignored Detoxx's requests and continued to allow his members to push what should be an obviously illegal tactic.
B) What does this change? You're not willing to take the high road because you don't know if the opposition will follow suit? Sounds like a bunch of projection bullshit to me.
C) And this is why you're all a bunch of ineffective shitty leaders. You should have discouraged this within your playerbase and been watching for it. You can sit here and say it's not policeable all you want but everyone knows that is complete and utter bullshit. How many fraps do you exchange with Aftermath on the regular? If you both of agree to stop tab-jumping and it's present in an unrelated video, guess what - you've just policed it! And better yet, you can revert to your agreement to not fucking do it to use as leverage with Sirken!

And yes, this could have ended much better for Awakened - Breaken could have not thrown his puny dick around with Detoxx and just agreed to it, and then acted like a leader and booted anyone that didn't follow his orders to not do it (namely, Hjial, the guy who was apparently super transparent and posted all his videos online). Instead ya'll took the 'well no one can prove anything and we can't trust anyone else to not do it so lets just keep being shitty' road and look where it landed you! Your guild leader is trying to save face and pointing fingers at everyone but himself while actively shitposting on other guilds recruitment threads. What a fucking embarrassment. Never thought I'd see the day where a guildleader looks less reasonable than Detoxx.

less reasonable than detoxx

The tell them all not to do it and boot them if it happens won't work lol. You enforce that rule, ban the first person and videos will start to become private or they will just claim they didn't record.

If you haven't realize by now there is a common theme. People play this game to try and be a legend in the game. They will take any advantage they can get. I guarantee you now that this thread has came out, even more people will be alt+tabbing to gain that extra edge.

If you agree to anything with Detoxx, your stupid. If we've learned anything, player made agreements DON'T work; especially between the top guilds.

[Hevie]

Alt tabbing was classic. EQWindows.

Alt tabbing is no different than the effect that the frame rate slider offers in your options. Many people use different fps for different races.

Foot racing is an arms race. Hjial started alt tabbing to combat runners in AM doing the same. Aftermath may have knowingly acknowledged this as cheating but Awakened didn't. Hjial just stepped topped up to the plate and kept winning.

In that 12 19 race, Hjial blew them out of the fucking water with the exact same tools they were using. Cry bitch moan cheat scandal high horse. Get wrecked.

[Hevie]

- topped .. spell checker adding words on me.

[Erati]

In that 12 19 race, Hjial blew them out of the fucking water with the exact same tools they were using. Cry bitch moan cheat scandal high horse. Get wrecked.

Dont forget, in that same video that was submitted as 'proof', the fraps clearly show Detoxx utilizing the same frame rate exploit lol

Its literally a guy showing up at the police department saying he 'caught a murderer' all while he himself is not only holding a murder weapon but has bloody clothes.

But ignore that, he said something first !

[Daldaen]

Still seeking Raid Scene GM title so I can Make P99 Great Again.

Low Variance
Rotated Lower Quality Mobs
Maximum competition Higher Quality Mobs
Raid Petitions only in Raid Discussion Forum, no more shadow petitions
Fast Respawn of Raid mobs once timeline done
Ill begotten loot will be deleted and stored in a list to then drop from the next server event.

#VoteDaldaen2017

[khanable]

Breaken and the majority of the officer core within Awakened are great leaders as shown by the strength of their guild.

We're talking about the guild that has to poll all its members before it makes any policy changes. The same guild that is relying on staff to explicitly outlaw specific things because they don't have the gruff to manage their own members. The same guild that has had three 10 day suspensions - the most recently for fucking cheating g.

Yeah, sorry, but no one believes this.

Erati, grow a pair.

BallsDeep, I've personally seen it work. Keep playing the victim, shitlord.

[Lammy]

I guess now you would have to chance it and run the risk that your FRAPS evidence will be null and void. Since you can't submit it showing your runner alt+tabbing now.

[khanable]

@Cucs

I love the power of hindsight as well, its pretty incredible already knowing what happened then looking back and figuring out how to not arrive at the current present.

Aftermath gets a pass for their use bc their GL was the first to request a ceasefire of an unpolicable tactic so we will wash away all their abusers and the community will act like they never did it because AM gives out some uncontested mobs.

Got it.

No one even cares that the conversation about halting this tactic was pretty recent and after the petition had already been filed. It would have gone a long way to come to us directly with their claim, threaten to petition if we didnt stop THEN tried to get us to agree but that's not how AM rolls ( hats off to the lawyers )

This was a ruse all along to get some logs of the two GLs talking about this ( knowing Breaken wouldnt agree bc you cant police ) all while the petition sat. Cannot be more slimey tbh and even if Breaken said 'sure, we will do what we can' that petition would have still been active and more than likely result in the same raid suspension.

Hippos always gonna crit.

To expand on my grow a pair comment - this isn't hindsight, this is leadership 101.

No one is giving AM a pass, stop trying so fucking hard to be a victim. The cockblock on the agreement to not do it was you guys - not AM. And this "we can't trust them so well maintain a shit raid scene" is a fucking lame dick excuse made by betas who don't let their girlfriends go out with their girlfriends because they "can't know for sure they won't fuck someone else".

[mefdinkins]

If you agree to anything with Detoxx, your stupid. If we've learned anything, player made agreements DON'T work; especially between the top guilds.

Pretty sure Awakened had a player made agreement with a number of guilds including Rustle with regards to VP. Awakened was abiding by the terms of the agreement and gave VP loots to other guilds and low and behold Rustle doesn't keep their end of the agreement.

So yes, how can you trust guilds to police themselves? Cucumbers who will be removed from Rustle or banned for that blatant violation of trust and the sanctity of one's word? The officers, leaders, the recipient of the staff?

[khanable]

Pretty sure Awakened had a player made agreement with a number of guilds including Rustle with regards to VP. Awakened was abiding by the terms of the agreement and gave VP loots to other guilds and low and behold Rustle doesn't keep their end of the agreement.

So yes, how can you trust guilds to police themselves? Cucumbers who will be removed from Rustle or banned for that blatant violation of trust and the sanctity of one's word? The officers, leaders, the recipient of the staff?

You mean when a request was made and your leadership took weeks to reply - any reply - because they needed to get feedback from their members? If anything g this is a pretty key example of your leadership being absolute dogshit.

[Papa]

super mad post

chest please look at me! please respond! please...?

[mefdinkins]

My question was who will be kicked from your guild and banned? Please answer. As you've stated this is what a good leader does?

[ridiculousmoose]

But ignore that, he said something first !

FIRST?? like there is a second guild that decided to stop being scumbags? No, you were forced to stop being scumbags by your suspension, and here you are explaining that you don't think anyone can catch you continuing to cheat to feel a little better about it.

[Erati]

No one is giving AM a pass, stop trying so fucking hard to be a victim. The cockblock on the agreement to not do it was you guys - not AM.

Your sig is a remarkable depiction of your posting today.

[mefdinkins]

And this "we can't trust them so well maintain a shit raid scene" is a fucking lame dick excuse

Was Lia awarded a Hoshkar staff during the terms of the VP agreement?

[nyclin]

itt lots of long-winded posts that boil down to one point: p99's raid scene is shit

[derpcake]

Can you describe how this worked? This sounds really cool in terms of gameplay mechanics.

faction wars on classic could be started in various places .. plane of tactics was very well known for this on live

as a charming class, you can charm a mob on faction A, and engage a caster mob from faction B, when mob A starts to nuke your pet, you break charm before the casting ends

this results in a mob nuking a mob on another faction, and they will start to fight each other

from this point on you can train adds from both factions onto the fight, they will assist the mobs already fighting

if you did 1 damage on each npc you got xp / loot rights

fun times, also very good in shadowhaven

[Daldaen]

itt lots of long-winded posts that boil down to one point: p99's raid scene is shit

[khanable]

Your sig is a remarkable depiction of your posting today.

Slow as fuck at work since we're in hypercare so I can shitpost all day!

Was Lia awarded a Hoshkar staff during the terms of the VP agreement?

What are you even talking about?

Rustle made it clear they would bounce on the agreement if we couldn't get an answer from you guild. After several weeks they got no answer so they left. Then the agreement was immediately put back together once your guild noticed they needed to actually do things.

What's the problem here? What sort of retarded mental gymnastics are you trying to do?

[kotton05]

My question was who will be kicked from your guild and banned? Please answer. As you've stated this is what a good leader does?

We don't have to choose ... our leader will just boot people and that's that. Fuck your quasi democracy. there is an iron fist in rustle , true leaders.

[Llodd]

itt lots of long-winded posts that boil down to one point: p99's raid scene is shit

Not for the next 8 days! Please continue your scumbaggery A/A so the mature ppl not lead by selfish leaders can enjoy the raid scene. Thanks :)

[Erati]

Rustle made it clear they would bounce on the agreement if we couldn't get an answer from you guild. After several weeks they got no answer so they left. Then the agreement was immediately put back together once your guild noticed they needed to actually do things.

What's the problem here? What sort of retarded mental gymnastics are you trying to do?

Glossing over the fact that the original agreement was broken by Rustle when you guys wanted a slot not joined with CSG...This again is further evidence why rotations/player agreements are subject to fail bc you have to chase down all these skype paper trails.

Im sure you guys have 'your side' of events and we have ours which becomes this cesspool of skype idiocy that we tried to end with Raid Discussion public agreements but was ignored

Oh well.

[khanable]

Glossing over the fact that the original agreement was broken by Rustle when you guys wanted a slot not joined with CSG...This again is further evidence why rotations/player agreements are subject to fail bc you have to chase down all these skype paper trails.

Im sure you guys have 'your side' of events and we have ours which becomes this cesspool of skype idiocy that we tried to end with Raid Discussion public agreements but was ignored

Oh well.

No, there is the correct version of events and your incorrect version of events. Gets made it clear the agreement was in jeopardy because you ignored him. Then you act like a bunch of victims when it falls apart due to lack of any answer on your part. Emphasis on any answer - you outright ignored them.

I like how you're still pointing fingers. Maybe you can get Breaken to go drop a passive aggressive comment on Rustle's guild thread now.

[Erati]

No, there is the correct version of events and your incorrect version of events.



Im sure you guys have 'your side' of events and we have ours which becomes this cesspool of skype idiocy that we tried to end with Raid Discussion public agreements but was ignored


Exactly my point lol

[khanable]

Cucumbers, what happened to your old sig gif?

Which one?

I've had 2 new ones in the works for a while.. been lazy

[mefdinkins]

No, there is the correct version of events and your incorrect version of events.

So you're saying it's insane to mistrust guilds because all guilds will always follow their word and keep their promises. Unless, there is some sort of grey area, like if Awakened takes a little too long to listen to respond to you. Then it is Awakened's fault and they are pointing the finger or playing a victim for acknowledging that you broke an agreement?

All I am saying is that levels of trust between guilds can influence the likelihood of an agreement and you're saying that's bullshit and that you're always right and have a full understanding of the events. I wasn't even talking about when Rustle broke the first VP agreement, I am referring to when (as far as I know) Rustle broke the 2nd VP agreement by taking a hosh staff.

I really don't even give a shit but I would assume that a former member of BDA, Rampage, and Rustle would at least have some sort of perspective as to the frivolity of the raid scene and show some sort of understanding instead of just lashing out at people and calling them pieces of shit. Or maybe you're so narcissistic that your view of reasonableness, fairness and great leadership all only comes from your individual perspective as seen by your previous signature saying fuck detoxx and now you saying fuck breaken.

[Hevie]

Cuc is seeming a lot like just another band wagon bitch

[arsenalpow]

Cuc is seeming a lot like just another band wagon bitch

Nah he's hated Taken forever due to the class R boards.

[Joyelle]

Nah he's hated Taken forever due to the class R boards.

Funny how old grudges influence people's perception of truth. Time to pull the plug on P99, it's all shit.

[Prismaticshop]

the tears in this thread tho, amazing.

[Prismaticshop]

Time to pull the plug on P99, it's all shit.

lol

[kotton05]

Glossing over the fact that the original agreement was broken by Rustle when you guys wanted a slot not joined with CSG...This again is further evidence why rotations/player agreements are subject to fail bc you have to chase down all these skype paper trails.

Im sure you guys have 'your side' of events and we have ours which becomes this cesspool of skype idiocy that we tried to end with Raid Discussion public agreements but was ignored

Oh well.


Holy shit you still bring up the PD we solo pulled and killed full pop in there with like 20 or so to get your attention? Y'all couldn't do that with 10 monks imo but Maybe y'all should share with CSG just to humble you for a week.

We also could of been like you guys over the suspensions lately but we didn't , it just shows you're unwilling to actually compromise (specially in VP since yall never farmed it) in an elf sim from 99..

Notice we only took yours not csgs or aftermaths;) there is some common denominator here and it sure isn't rustle/aftermath/CSG n friends....

Rotations do change, guilds will add and merge always so in order to go on you must be flexible. Awakeneds stance was to force a guild who was fully capable of killing alone to be with CSG, this stance was figured out by a silence.

[khanable]

So you're saying it's insane to mistrust guilds because all guilds will always follow their word and keep their promises. Unless, there is some sort of grey area, like if Awakened takes a little too long to listen to respond to you. Then it is Awakened's fault and they are pointing the finger or playing a victim for acknowledging that you broke an agreement?

All I am saying is that levels of trust between guilds can influence the likelihood of an agreement and you're saying that's bullshit and that you're always right and have a full understanding of the events. I wasn't even talking about when Rustle broke the first VP agreement, I am referring to when (as far as I know) Rustle broke the 2nd VP agreement by taking a hosh staff.

I really don't even give a shit but I would assume that a former member of BDA, Rampage, and Rustle would at least have some sort of perspective as to the frivolity of the raid scene and show some sort of understanding instead of just lashing out at people and calling them pieces of shit. Or maybe you're so narcissistic that your view of reasonableness, fairness and great leadership all only comes from your individual perspective as seen by your previous signature saying fuck detoxx and now you saying fuck breaken.

Former officer of BDA, Rampage, and Rustle ;) So yes! I do think I have some insight into the inner workings of the raid scene and how guilds handle themselves! I'd never claim to be the definitive 'leadership' master by any stretch of the imagination, but I think I can reasonably say I've seen plenty of leadership styles and worked with some pretty stellar leadership folk and have progressed to the point where I can spot shit that I know just doesn't work. Also, I can say confidently that I have never been apart of a group that shot down an agreement because "we don't trust them" - the entire point of an agreement is to trust the other guild will abide by it, no matter how scummy they are, else face Sirken's wraith (if you're unaware, he'll enforce your agreements if you bring them to him). See the shadow step mask debacle. To outright refuse to work with another guild and continue exploiting is simply unfathomably stupid.

The power of free pixelss weeeee

I haven't played in a while but I do hope you realize they get off on that shit. Maximum gains for minimum effort - I'll never understand how anyone thumbs their nose up at that.

Nah he's hated Taken forever due to the class R boards.

Juevento and I are the og Taken haters

Funny how old grudges influence people's perception of truth. Time to pull the plug on P99, it's all shit.

kek

The one flipping the bird to Detoxx

I still have it saved somewhere. It was kind of large so going to p99 on my phone every once in a while made it slow as shit to load after I made a reply.

[Hevie]

This is why I was against the VP rotation from the get. It was crystal clear what Rustle would do. Rustle agreed to sharing a spot with CSG, so the rotation would be with only 3 spots. Soon after Rustle blows up the rotation unless they get their own spot? But Breaken is to blame right?

[Raev]

itt lots of long-winded posts that boil down to one point: p99's raid scene is shit

Yes.

Stop and take a look at this thread: raid pixels on this server go to people who wait 0-16 hours for a dragon to spawn, run up while alt tabbing out to gain 0.5 seconds, and raid lawyer fraps while the guild leaders flame each other on a secret skype channel.

[Bellringer]

Still seeking Raid Scene GM title so I can Make P99 Great Again.

Low Variance
Rotated Lower Quality Mobs
Maximum competition Higher Quality Mobs
Raid Petitions only in Raid Discussion Forum, no more shadow petitions
Fast Respawn of Raid mobs once timeline done
Ill begotten loot will be deleted and stored in a list to then drop from the next server event.

#VoteDaldaen2017

Not in five lifetimes.

[Skew]

What happens first? - Awakened disband by itself or the staff tire of their constant cheating and breaking of the spirit of the rules and do it for them.

[Hevie]

Contrary to popular belief, Awakened doesn't make a habit of breaking rules.

This is all a lynch mob hating on the successful guild. I invite you all to read the appeal posted regarding Quean's Vulak FTE, if they would post it here.

Guild does well, GM balance scales. Such is p99

[kurtis]

Contrary to popular belief, Awakened doesn't make a habit of breaking rules.

Recent suspensions seem to suggest otherwise. Can play the "GM balances scales" line all you want, but it's not like they throw suspensions out all willy nilly like y'all seem to believe.

I think Hjial got hosed in all this, but that's mainly because his leadership kinda turned their back on him when times got tough. Laughable to think they wanted him to apologize after all the work he put in, alt tabbing nonsense or not.

[mefdinkins]

And yes, this could have ended much better for Awakened - Breaken could have not thrown his puny dick around with Detoxx and just agreed to it, and then acted like a leader and booted anyone that didn't follow his orders

the entire point of an agreement is to trust the other guild will abide by it, no matter how scummy they are, else face Sirken's wraith (if you're unaware, he'll enforce your agreements if you bring them to him).

1) Was there an agreement regarding VP loot in which Awakened would give guilds Grey Suede Boots but in exchange for Shissar Apothic Staffs?
2) Did Rustle kill any Hoshkars that dropped a Shissar Apothic Staff?
3) Did Lia get awarded a Shissar Apothic Staff while this agreement was binding?
4) Did you participate in that raid?
5) Did you take tells on loot in that raid?
6) Were you a decisionmaker in awarding a Shissar Apothic Staff to Lia?
7) Did you do so without understanding/knowing all agreements and server rules?

If yes to 1 2, 3, do you interpret this as a violation of a player agreement? Do you expect that violation to result in "Sirken's wraith?" Will Rustle be punishing players for contributing to these violations? What players will be punished? Will the person who got the loot be punished or the person who awarded the loot? Did they do so in violation of the officers orders (showing what you define as bad leadership) or did the officers condone this blatant disregard of an agreement (showing what you define as bad leadership)? Do you intend to work with Awakened in the future? What concessions or promises would you be willing to make to show that you would not once again violate their trust placed in you? I think tossing over a scepter of destruction would do a lot to heal these wounds.

[Hevie]

I hope they post the appeal so you can see what I mean Gimp.

Turning against Hjial was stupid. They know that.

[Pokesan]

in the face of obvious cheating, Awakened insists no, it's all a conspiracy because we're so good at everquest

[Hevie]

I'm not Awakened anymore either btw. I got canned with Hjial.

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

1) Was there an agreement regarding VP loot in which Awakened would give guilds Grey Suede Boots but in exchange for Shissar Apothic Staffs?
2) Did Rustle kill any Hoshkars that dropped a Shissar Apothic Staff?
3) Did Lia get awarded a Shissar Apothic Staff while this agreement was binding?
4) Did you participate in that raid?
5) Did you take tells on loot in that raid?
6) Were you a decisionmaker in awarding a Shissar Apothic Staff to Lia?
7) Did you do so without understanding/knowing all agreements and server rules?

If yes to 1 2, 3, do you interpret this as a violation of a player agreement? Do you expect that violation to result in "Sirken's wraith?" Will Rustle be punishing players for contributing to these violations? What players will be punished? Will the person who got the loot be punished or the person who awarded the loot? Did they do so in violation of the officers orders (showing what you define as bad leadership) or did the officers condone this blatant disregard of an agreement (showing what you define as bad leadership)? Do you intend to work with Awakened in the future? What concessions or promises would you be willing to make to show that you would not once again violate their trust placed in you? I think tossing over a scepter of destruction would do a lot to heal these wounds.

what this post reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ

[khanable]

1) Was there an agreement regarding VP loot in which Awakened would give guilds Grey Suede Boots but in exchange for Shissar Apothic Staffs?
2) Did Rustle kill any Hoshkars that dropped a Shissar Apothic Staff?
3) Did Lia get awarded a Shissar Apothic Staff while this agreement was binding?
4) Did you participate in that raid?
5) Did you take tells on loot in that raid?
6) Were you a decisionmaker in awarding a Shissar Apothic Staff to Lia?
7) Did you do so without understanding/knowing all agreements and server rules?

If yes to 1 2, 3, do you interpret this as a violation of a player agreement? Do you expect that violation to result in "Sirken's wraith?" Will Rustle be punishing players for contributing to these violations? What players will be punished? Will the person who got the loot be punished or the person who awarded the loot? Did they do so in violation of the officers orders (showing what you define as bad leadership) or did the officers condone this blatant disregard of an agreement (showing what you define as bad leadership)? Do you intend to work with Awakened in the future? What concessions or promises would you be willing to make to show that you would not once again violate their trust placed in you? I think tossing over a scepter of destruction would do a lot to heal these wounds.

1) I haven't raided here in months and don't know what any of this is
2) shut up you fucking whiny nobody

[arsenalpow]

1) I haven't raided here in months and don't know what any of this is
2) shut up you fucking whiny nobody

Don't be a dick pal

[khanable]

Don't be a dick pal

Ok, sorry

Shush you jelly belly silly sally

[mefdinkins]

1) I haven't raided here in months and don't know what any of this is
2) shut up you fucking whiny nobody

Thanks Cucumbers. Have a blessed day.

[Kagey]

The crowd won't be happy till we Disband.. Delete all our toons... And jump off a bridge irl, with a YouTube suicide video to prove it.

Yall are some sad middle schoolers

[Cecily]

Is it weird to have all your characters in your sig and still have no one know who you are?

[khanable]

Thanks Cucumbers. Have a blessed day.

You too!

The crowd won't be happy till we Disband.. Delete all our toons... And jump off a bridge irl, with a YouTube suicide video to prove it.

Yall are some sad middle schoolers

Or you guys can just stop cheating

[jakerees]

Is it weird to have all your characters in your sig and still have no one know who you are?

Savage

[Kagey]

Like that's a bad thing with the Lynch mob frenzy of Rustle AM around.

[Bellringer]

WOOOOOO RNF

[Prismaticshop]

Is it weird to have all your characters in your sig and still have no one know who you are?

fucking savage lol

[Erati]

OOGA BOOGA

I win!

[Papa]

The crowd won't be happy till we Disband.. Delete all our toons... And jump off a bridge irl, with a YouTube suicide video to prove it.


as long as you dont alt-tab during the jump

[karkaroth]

Uh everyone keeps saying you cant police alt-tab jumping so why not disallow jumping altogether, granted there's prob a few spots in the raid scene where you have to jump? So only there may you alt tab jump to ur hearts desire.

Or flip the switch and just allow it for everyone, make it not cheating, again problem solved everything's fair and square. Seems to me adding alt tab jumping skill to racing is a bonus, as it adds a nuance to the event.

I don't really get why having everyone alt tab jumping around is a bad thing can someone explain it to me. If there's no way to police it and it's not harming anything...

[Lammy]

Is it really so crazy to want to enjoy some of the content on the server without wall staring, a bloated roster, and middle of the night batphones?

[mefdinkins]

Is it weird to have all your characters in your sig and still have no one know who you are?

If you're referring to me.. I am Mefdinkins, the author of the "Druid Leveling and Item Hunting Guide." Published by Mefdinkins. ISBN 00 0 0283 2837. Copyright Mefdinkins 2013. http://wiki.project1999.com/Druid_Leveling_and_Item_Hunting_Guide_by_Mefdinkin s

[jakerees]

as long as you dont alt-tab during the jump

I don't know. From what I've heard, that might get them to land quicker.

[Hevie]

Alt tab jumping was perfectly fine until Hjial started using it against them and whooping their asses even harder with it

[mefdinkins]

so why not disallow jumping altogether, granted there's prob a few spots in the raid scene where you have to jump?

banning jumping would violate the Norrathian Civil Rights Act of 1964 because gnomes can't make it up the stairs in TOV without jumping.

[karkaroth]

Banning jumping in any game is retarded imo, I just thought the way the gm's went about this tactic wasn't well thought out and was trying to come up with a cpl better alternatives.

Fyi love the game and the service keep up the gud work elf overlords :P

[mefdinkins]

Banning jumping in any game is retarded imo, I just thought the way the gm's went about this tactic wasn't well thought out and was trying to come up with a cpl better alternatives.

Fyi love the game and the service keep up the gud work elf overlords :P

I was kidding but yes I strive for a more fair Norrath where gnomes can move freely within TOV and not violate server rules for hopping upstairs like the little studs they are.

[Freakish]

I don't want to live in a norrath where gnomes are equal to ogres. Gnomes are tiny miserable critters perfect pocket food for when your iron rations run out on raids.

[karkaroth]

I tried to eat a lizard tail once how is this not food. This needs to be addressed immediately.

[RedXIII]

Hjial is a god among men. The dude master AM cheating techinique that he found out with Mistin / Retus... and now that he became so good at it Detoxx had to petition and have Sirken claim its against the rules so they could finally score some merbs...
Pathetic all around, wish i had saved detoxx running video alt tabin hard and still gets rekt by Hjial.

Same old Detoxx tactic... if you can win using the system, QQ for concedes or to the p99 staff change rules.

All FTE videos gone from AM fters, batphone went out to make em private... rofl.

I agree that our leadership failed when they didnt record all those videos to keep as evidence, but i guess we not that good at lawyerquest. /shrug. Ill eat my 10day proud. We are been punished because we are fucking good at whatever rules or meta game you bring to us.

#HjialGod

[Mistle]

Stop and take a look at this thread: raid pixels on this server go to people who wait 0-16 hours for a dragon to spawn, run up while alt tabbing out to gain 0.5 seconds, and raid lawyer fraps while the guild leaders flame each other on a secret skype channel.

Some people are too immersed. Once one steps back and sees things from the outside again, you can't help but be flabbergasted at how far the state of things were allowed to progress. These people are crazy. These rules are crazy. Chest must laugh his head off every time he visits here.

I would kill to see how this server changes if the rot at the top (Sirken) was out of the way.

[dafier]

Hjial is a god among men. The dude master AM cheating techinique that he found out with Mistin / Retus... and now that he became so good at it Detoxx had to petition and have Sirken claim its against the rules so they could finally score some merbs...
Pathetic all around, wish i had saved detoxx running video alt tabin hard and still gets rekt by Hjial.

Same old Detoxx tactic... if you can win using the system, QQ for concedes or to the p99 staff change rules.

All FTE videos gone from AM fters, batphone went out to make em private... rofl.

I agree that our leadership failed when they didnt record all those videos to keep as evidence, but i guess we not that good at lawyerquest. /shrug. Ill eat my 10day proud. We are been punished because we are fucking good at whatever rules or meta game you bring to us.

#HjialGod

/confirmed fat

[arsenalpow]

Some people are too immersed. Once one steps back and sees things from the outside again, you can't help but be flabbergasted at how far the state of things were allowed to progress. These people are crazy. These rules are crazy. Chest must laugh his head off every time he visits here.

I would kill to see how this server changes if the rot at the top (Sirken) was out of the way.

More cringe than laugh. It makes me sad for the people that had been in BDA that are still partaking in this shit on p99. If you want to raid in EQ then p99 is not the right choice. It's completely crazy and socially unhealthy.

[Relbaic]

I'm not Awakened anymore either btw. I got canned with Hjial.

Hi Hevie miss u pal

[BallzDeep]

We're talking about the guild that has to poll all its members before it makes any policy changes. The same guild that is relying on staff to explicitly outlaw specific things because they don't have the gruff to manage their own members. The same guild that has had three 10 day suspensions - the most recently for fucking cheating g.

Yeah, sorry, but no one believes this.

Erati, grow a pair.

BallsDeep, I've personally seen it work. Keep playing the victim, shitlord.

If anyone is playing the victim card it's not going to be Awakened. Both guilds used the exploit. One guild suspended. Common sense tells you if both guilds actively used it up until the ban. Both should be suspended. The victim card is the one who petitioned.

I don't know why you became so bitter when you stopped playing but it's become quite obvious in how invested you've become AFTER you gave up raiding. I'm glad you like to point out one guilds downfalls and saint the other.

[Hevie]

Hi Hevie miss u pal

Hi Relb! Miss you too. Hope you're enjoying yourself!

[BallzDeep]

No, there is the correct version of events and your incorrect version of events. Gets made it clear the agreement was in jeopardy because you ignored him. Then you act like a bunch of victims when it falls apart due to lack of any answer on your part. Emphasis on any answer - you outright ignored them.

I like how you're still pointing fingers. Maybe you can get Breaken to go drop a passive aggressive comment on Rustle's guild thread now.

Your quoting Getsome as a good leader when the guy up and left his guild high and dry quite a few times. You obviously don't know what's good for you and what's shit.

[Ravager]

More cringe than laugh. It makes me sad for the people that had been in BDA that are still partaking in this shit on p99. If you want to raid in EQ then p99 is not the right choice. It's completely crazy and socially unhealthy.
But if you want a pick up group in Crushbone, there's no finer place.

[kotton05]

We did not fail you here sir, Think there are at least 4-5 vids of various AM members including Detoxx/Mistinn/Steelz alt+tab jumping or lowering framerate saved before they batphoned to delete them all. Why Sirken let Detoxx petition something that he himself was doing I am not sure. If this is truly a player/raid infraction we shall see if justice is served.

Best action is just move on not cheating. I doubt toxx wants to cheat. No one wants cheats.

Show the server you want to move on. Maybe help out lesser guilds arrange things? Stop
the toxic pixel lust or is that all you guys exist for?

I'm also under the impression there is more to come for awakened. This is just snowballing and some real good petitions are still in. Justice is being served and will continue to be served.

[Hevie]

It's not about pixel lust. It's about the rush that comes from competing for a mob and winning.

No one wants to condone cheating. Alt tabbing was a controversial issue at best. Had it been verified as cheating it would have stopped immediately.

Sirken is throwing bones. That is it. The last suspension was invalid just as this was.

[nyclin]

This is just snowballing and some real good petitions are still in. Justice is being served and will continue to be served.

when is AM serving their suspension for doing the exact same thing as AW?

oh wait, they won't? sounds like Sirken Justice(tm) to me

the raid scene here will continue to be shit as long as petitions are private and guilds literally pay people (who don't even play here) to rules lawyer for them

[BallzDeep]

Ballzdeep growing on me

Love you too

[Daldaen]

Ballzdeep growing on me

Epic Sax Man grew on me.

[Mistle]

So you don't like how other people spend their free time on a free to play server that's run by volunteers, who's work you also don't like. You like to gripe about all of that though. Maybe the raiders aren't the only ones who need to take a step back and "see things from the outside"

This is a really terrible response.

[getsome]

Was Lia awarded a Hoshkar staff during the terms of the VP agreement?


http://i.imgur.com/V1ygCiU.png

[Mon Jan 09 19:32:58 2017] Gripen tells the guild, 'Shissar Apothic Staff, Grey Suede Boots, Veldrak's Shortblade, Shissar Apothic Staff, Green Dragon Scales, Spell: Flaming Sword of Xuzl, Spell: Asphyxiate, '


[Mon Jan 09 19:40:14 2017] Liia tells the guild, 'Looted. THanks folks. Been after than item for 5 years now. Shissar Apothic Staff'

[Skew]

Grats Liia. One damn fine Hoshkar.

[khanable]

If anyone is playing the victim card it's not going to be Awakened.

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"Anything that alters your frame rate whether be 3rd party or within the game is not allowed during ToV/Kael FTE foot races"

^ thats literally all that ever had to be written into the rules without having to throw an entire community of Everquest players under the bus.

Sirken got Awakened suspended. Had any of this been verified as illegal it would've stopped long ago.

I don't think Sirken feels bad about slapping unjustified bans on Awakened because they get so many kills as it is.. he uses it as an excuse to let the other kiddies use the sandbox.


This could have ended in so many better ways that dont throw an Everquest community under the bus, yes playing a bit of a victim card but go look at steroids in professional sports - shit is human nature and always always always has a scapegoat when that's not early the full picture. Aftermath's petition against Awakened is akin to Roger Clemens pointing at Barry Bonds while shaking his head saying "What a cheater".

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I don't know why you became so bitter when you stopped playing but it's become quite obvious in how invested you've become AFTER you gave up raiding.

No more vested than your typical rnf'er

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I'm glad you like to point out one guilds downfalls and saint the other.

-->

yes you guys are such victims

/mourn

and for the record the aftermath folks that also did this are fire giants as well

Aftermath probably didn't have any documented wins from alt-tabbing, which probably explains why they weren't suspended. Always did seem like you could do whatever the fuck you wanted but once it turned into a gain it was open for suspension. I still think both parties should get kicked in the nuts on this one, though.

Hence my choice word "documented". I don't doubt they alt-tabbed their way to victory somewhere; but they beat you to the punch getting the paperwork filed and covered their asses better.

...Your guild leader is trying to save face and pointing fingers at everyone but himself while actively shitposting on other guilds recruitment threads. What a fucking embarrassment. Never thought I'd see the day where a guildleader looks less reasonable than Detoxx.

You got a funny definition of saint, pal

[nyclin]

cucs putting a lot of effort into illustrating the point that raiding on p99 is a dumpster fire

[khanable]

I'm also under the impression there is more to come for awakened. This is just snowballing and some real good petitions are still in. Justice is being served and will continue to be served.

I think we'll see an AM suspension soon too. They've been suspiciously quiet, almost like they don't want their gloating to immediately blow up in their faces

[Cecily]

Please no. Raided too much last double ban already.

[Skew]

I think we'll see an AM suspension soon too. They've been suspiciously quiet, almost like they don't want their gloating to immediately blow up in their faces

100 dkp penalty for posting in RNF will do that.

[khanable]

100 dkp penalty for posting in RNF will do that.

wait what? aftermath has an rnf gag now and awakened doesn't (or so it appears)?

the fuck is going on with this server

[Nommis]

#HjialGod

Legend tells of Hjesus resurrecting from the dead after 10 days and leading the warm-bodies to the Land of Loot.

[Nommis]

I think we'll see an AM suspension soon too. They've been suspiciously quiet, almost like they don't want their gloating to immediately blow up in their faces

Still unfortunate all their FTE videos went dark...almost as if they don't want to be seen.

[Skew]

wait what? aftermath has an rnf gag now and awakened doesn't (or so it appears)?

the fuck is going on with this server

RNF gags are disappointing. Detoxx is depriving us of the one battle that we dont have to stare at a door for 16 hours.

[Baler]

unbanned yet from raid?

[Baler]

dude you know they're counting every fucking second till they ran race with jobless people!

[khanable]

Still unfortunate all their FTE videos went dark...almost as if they don't want to be seen.

if you have the direct links you can still retrieve them

dude you know they're counting every fucking second till they ran race with jobless people!

AW has 20 vacations days and AM has 10 vacation days so far this year - if Sirken's next round of suspensions are called 'sick days' some of them will be able to claim they have jobs now

[Lowako]

raiding rotated/uncontested/instanced content in everquest sucks because the content is mostly trivial assuming you don't blow at the game.

staring at a wall for 16 hours sucks for obvious reasons.

the only way to truly enjoy everquest is to quit playing and reminisce about how it used to be fun.

[Hevie]

the only way to truly enjoy everquest is to quit playing and reminisce about how it used to be fun.

Maybe Pantheon will be fun. Looks nice.

[Baler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5T_EPV79xc

[kotton05]

Woah, dunno why I have Pokes quoted there, I just meant to hit reply. There a poltergeist in here?


hello?

Lol you called them human beans!

[Baler]

How much are the homeless near the library charging now-a-days to FTE?

[Tycoon]

Aftermath tired of sounding stupid? Or just Detoxx?

[Raev]

raiding rotated/uncontested/instanced content in everquest sucks because the content is mostly trivial assuming you don't blow at the game.

It's only trivial when you bring 90 for content designed for 50-60 players. Doing it with 30-40 is hardly man-on-the-moon type stuff but pretty fun.

[Vianna]

It's not about pixel lust. It's about the rush that comes from competing for a mob and winning.

No one wants to condone cheating. Alt tabbing was a controversial issue at best. Had it been verified as cheating it would have stopped immediately.

Sirken is throwing bones. That is it. The last suspension was invalid just as this was.

Hey guys we know this might be controversial or illegal..

But lets keep doing it until Sirken tells us to stop...

Because we are grown adults who needs another grown adult to tell us to stop behaving badly.

Sounds like a Guildleader's role. Not a GM's role.

[Swish]

FTE....... AT ANY COST!

[Hevie]

If awakened had thought it was illegal they would've petitioned aftermath and never started using it themselves. Lol. It's a simple alt tab.

Do you guys never alt tab to lev trick?

It being rendered illegal is dandy. No one's fighting to keep it legal. The issue is it didn't break any rules so why would awakened petition aftermath for doing it? Awakened isn't in the habit of petitioning in an attempt to grasp for straws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOFCLtRqrX4&feature=youtu.be

In this video you will see Filip (Detoxx), who was also alt tabbing his heart out, get dusted by Hjial. Absolutely wrecked. I'm sure it hurt his feels.

[Tankdan]

In this video you will see Filip (Detoxx), who was also alt tabbing his heart out, get dusted by Hjial. Absolutely wrecked. I'm sure it hurt his feels.

So alt-tabbing means you dont get 100% of FTEs? Wow!

(You realize every run up has people get dusted right?)

[Hevie]

(You realize every run up has people get dusted right?)

I never thought of it that way!

I was referring tho to the lead. That's why this became such a big problem. Hjial was just too good at it. Create a skill gap and AM gets wrecked.

[Hevie]

The alt tab jump doesn't even account for that lead. Some people don't understand how to strafe. Next that will be removed too. Then jumping. Until we are back to the boring ass coth races

[Kagey]

hovering on the edge of the lava like some tight rope walker.

[Junias]

That run is amazing, alt-tab or not.

[Vianna]

If awakened had thought it was illegal they would've petitioned aftermath and never started using it themselves. Lol. It's a simple alt tab.

Do you guys never alt tab to lev trick?

It being rendered illegal is dandy. No one's fighting to keep it legal. The issue is it didn't break any rules so why would awakened petition aftermath for doing it? Awakened isn't in the habit of petitioning in an attempt to grasp for straws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOFCLtRqrX4&feature=youtu.be

In this video you will see Filip (Detoxx), who was also alt tabbing his heart out, get dusted by Hjial. Absolutely wrecked. I'm sure it hurt his feels.

It broke several rules. Hence the suspension.

[Hevie]

And Trump will build a wall.

[Cecily]

No one cares, cheater.

[Kagey]

Tranny Cecily really trying hard with that one.

[Vianna]

Tranny Cecily really trying hard with that one.

Not only is Awakened cheaters. They practice hate speech.

[Lowako]

It's only trivial when you bring 90 for content designed for 50-60 players. Doing it with 30-40 is hardly man-on-the-moon type stuff but pretty fun.

even with less than intended numbers, a lot of the fights feel less like you lose to the encounter and more like you lose to your own raid force. its probably the fact that i've played everquest a majority of my life and have kinda burned out on the game as a whole. oh well.

[Cecily]

The word tranny is hate speech?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9G8TlR9JxI

[Vianna]

The word tranny is hate speech?

Welcome to Planet Earth.

[Cecily]

Cecily RNF game really dropped off... RIP whatever you are.

I heard it got some free loots though... good for it?

True contender at heart.

(Mikeo) Camp Stealing Casual Scum Liar (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148428)

[kurtis]

The same people that would be the first to defend Catherine's dumb wannabe woman ass are in here going after Cecily.

The double standards of Awakened retards never ceases to amaze.

[kurtis]

The fuck are you even talking about

[Pokesan]

he's bragging about wiping on KDT for some reason

(the reason is he's retarded)

[Pokesan]

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That's a retarded amount of posts.

they're all really good and none of them feature bitch tears about wiping on keldor

my good chum

[Pokesan]

Or you're just looking for attention on a RNF forum cause living in your parents basement at the tender age of 45 isn't doing it for you anymore.

Either way just do us all a favor and sleep face down in your Pokémon pillow mouth breather.

Mikeo Langelo <Awakened>

[Bubbles]

So what happens if I'm wiping my ass and a mob spawns? I'm short on time and don't want to read the 98 page rule book on raiding elf simulator99.

lol a solid example of the need for simplicity when dealing with the masses.

[Bubbles]

The crowd won't be happy till we Disband.. Delete all our toons... And jump off a bridge irl, with a YouTube suicide video to prove it.

Yall are some sad middle schoolers

as long as you dont alt-tab during the jump

Aaaand....there's the MVP of the thread.

[khanable]

If awakened had thought it was illegal they would've petitioned aftermath and never started using it themselves. Lol. It's a simple alt tab.

Do you guys never alt tab to lev trick?

It being rendered illegal is dandy. No one's fighting to keep it legal. The issue is it didn't break any rules so why would awakened petition aftermath for doing it? Awakened isn't in the habit of petitioning in an attempt to grasp for straws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOFCLtRqrX4&feature=youtu.be

In this video you will see Filip (Detoxx), who was also alt tabbing his heart out, get dusted by Hjial. Absolutely wrecked. I'm sure it hurt his feels.

Way back when before the billion rules came about people could lev trick up behind Vox's lair to camp an army. Sirken deemed it illegal and wanted players reported for it.

(In case you didn't know)

[Zumok]

So if I'm on p99 and alt tab to Facebook or YouTube I will get banned? Cool.