Awakened Banned 10 days

[Tankdan]

Awakened is under Raid Suspension for the next 10 days for breaking the ToV player agreement on 12/12 when they abused the FTE mechanic to secure Vulak

Was this simply a mistake or was it a deliberate attempt at obtaining more pixels?

Discuss


:confused:

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/z9nALkQ.gif
(one of Baler's I think) ^^

[snead]

i squealed like a fat pig in the mud.

[Zekayy]

It was intentional no doubt

[draus]

I wonder how many soulfire turns in we will see this time?

[arsenalpow]

what a cool and normal raid scene

[Teako]

Absolutely deliberate. You don't "accidentally" re-fte something from half a zone away and "just forget" to /q out. Not to mention the spin machine was in full effect of them claiming he pulled it after being COTH'd up and agroing it lolol

[Zumok]

Now the question is, will Fingerz complain to big poppah Rogean again and extend their suspension.

[Swish]

Absolutely deliberate. You don't "accidentally" re-fte something from half a zone away and "just forget" to /q out. Not to mention the spin machine was in full effect of them claiming he pulled it after being COTH'd up and agroing it lolol

http://i.imgur.com/bDeWID8.png


This could be a fact, but is it fiction? Is this poster telling us the absolute truth?

/ponder

[bspa0700]

It's a new years day miracle

[Bruno]

Hopefully they truly do wake the fuck up and realize how bad this place is to raid in.

[Zekayy]

at this point why don't raid guilds all merge into one uber entity. go to a pure dkp system. if everyone agrees on this then i don't see the problem. the leaders of AM and Awakened will colead the new ubeguild but have to kill half of their officer corp.

Thats like CSG Merging as one will never happen

[Swish]

at this point why don't raid guilds all merge into one uber entity. go to a pure dkp system. if everyone agrees on this then i don't see the problem. the leaders of AM and Awakened will colead the new ubeguild but have to kill half of their officer corp.

what, ask the hardcores to give up 1000s of hours of tracking/raiding dkp for the sake of a merge? they'd sooner kill themselves

[radda]

at this point why don't raid guilds all merge into one uber entity. go to a pure dkp system. if everyone agrees on this then i don't see the problem. the leaders of AM and Awakened will colead the new ubeguild but have to kill half of their officer corp.

plz...

[Swish]

What is burning my lips is, this offense is like over a month old, and they recently cheated even more badly, when big Sirken catches up on that their suspension might get extended even without fingerz going psycho.

Are you calling him "big Sirken" because you're trying to direct GM traffic and get this to happen?

lol...I can only imagine the favors he gets asked for in PMs

[Freakish]

I notice these big suspensions seem to happen right after a raid cycle. In reality they lose one raid cycle and then just the filler between cycles. I mean the loot isn't even being deleted. It'd be worse to concede 2 vulaks.

[Skew]

No loot deletion.
Super-casuals you know what to do.

[fiveeauxfour]

I notice these big suspensions seem to happen right after a raid cycle. In reality they lose one raid cycle and then just the filler between cycles. I mean the loot isn't even being deleted. It'd be worse to concede 2 vulaks.

There was that one time when AW got suspended and then the server quaked 2 hours later.

[Freakish]

They had either just finished a cycle or the server had been reset right before that one too. And it was done by Rogean, who later learned that aw was suspended by reading the forums when fingerz raged at him in tells.

[Barcelona]

Does this make Awakened the guild that has now served/will serve the most 10+ day suspensions on Project 1999?? You can count the one that has not be handed down yet for the more recent "Hjial - run to re-SoW and decide while past the line when he spawned, to run for Vulak FTE instead" infraction too if you want..

[Tasslehofp99]

I notice these big suspensions seem to happen right after a raid cycle. In reality they lose one raid cycle and then just the filler between cycles. I mean the loot isn't even being deleted. It'd be worse to concede 2 vulaks.

Im not sure if they can backpedal their concession now, can they? That would open them up to another suspension. Since the 2 vulajs conceded were from an entirely different infraction than the one they're currently suspended for. I doubt they will risk another 10+ days, although with these ppl who knows.

Loot from last vulak awakened got still needs to be deleted though, as it has in the past in identical situations.

[Maner]

Im not sure if they can backpedal their concession now, can they? That would open them up to another suspension. Since the 2 vulajs conceded were from an entirely different infraction than the one they're currently suspended for. I doubt they will risk another 10+ days, although with these ppl who knows.

Loot from last vulak awakened got still needs to be deleted though, as it has in the past in identical situations.

I don't believe their concession was ever accepted since the petition was made well before the 12 hours it took them to post the concession.

[Ahldagor]

Delete the guild leader's characters.

[Swish]

Delete the guild leader's characters.

That seems harsh unless they were there at the time. A full wipe would definitely solve the raiding issues though.

[Symbioticforks]

More pixels on Red99, and no raid suspensions for player agreement nonsense.

Meanwhile on Blue. They're making up absurd rules of engagement for every mob in every zone. "If Lodizal is engaged on the Gnolls, but not yet in summoning range and I hit him first on the 3rd Monday of the month with a hostile spell while ranger weapon shields through the attacks of a snow cougar, and my tracker hasn't found Stormfeather yet, and I've consumed a Misty Thicket Picnic, does my guild still have loot rights to a Snowball?" Levels of bullshit.

[Swish]

Meanwhile on Blue. They're making up absurd rules of engagement for every mob in every zone. "If Lodizal is engaged on the Gnolls, but not yet in summoning range and I hit him first on the 3rd Monday of the month with a hostile spell while ranger weapon shields through the attacks of a snow cougar, and my tracker hasn't found Stormfeather yet, and I've consumed a Misty Thicket Picnic, does my guild still have loot rights to a Snowball?" Levels of bullshit.

Sad but true, I feel bad for people caught up in it.

[jcr4990]

More pixels on Red99, and no raid suspensions for player agreement nonsense.

Meanwhile on Blue. They're making up absurd rules of engagement for every mob in every zone. "If Lodizal is engaged on the Gnolls, but not yet in summoning range and I hit him first on the 3rd Monday of the month with a hostile spell while ranger weapon shields through the attacks of a snow cougar, and my tracker hasn't found Stormfeather yet, and I've consumed a Misty Thicket Picnic, does my guild still have loot rights to a Snowball?" Levels of bullshit.

Wouldn't happen on Phinny and it has more than 38 players on it (Red's current population as of this post)

[Swish]

Wouldn't happen on Phinny and it has more than 38 players on it (Red's current population as of this post)

What's the difference when you play in your own little safe micro world on EQ Lite TLP?

[kotton05]

I get txt alerts whenever awakened is suspended. Feels good. Suprised it's only 10 days. At this rate cheating and manipulating still nets you more pixels than playing by the rules.

Good luck to those that will get pixels on their main this coming week. May big sirk continue his cruel and unusual banning😂😂 I get awakeneds and I'm almost certain there are still petitions against them that are just and proof, this is just one on many.

What I don't get is aftermath, what kind of petitions are you putting in!!!!? Holy shit must be rediculous like omg breakn called me a name he's violating the PnP!😂👍🏻

[burkemi5]

What's the difference when you play in your own little safe micro world on EQ Lite TLP?

Down to 33 players now, yikes. I bet there's more toons than that in both Griegs_End_01 and Griegs_End_02. Shit on the instancing all you want, but yikes the red pop is horrible.

[Symbioticforks]

If you think I want 500+ people on Red you're wrong. Having every portal camped everywhere you go, as well as every farm location camped with pvp non-stop is probably less fun than being a poor little scrublord on blue.

[baue1446]

If you think I want 500+ people on Red you're wrong. Having every portal camped everywhere you go, as well as every farm location camped with pvp non-stop is probably less fun than being a poor little scrublord on blue.

This.

I have a 60 sk on red. And even back when Red was gaining some momentum and there were 500 people on it daily. It was still the least fun of all the time I ever spent in EQ.

It is completely ignored by GMs and the top 1% of the server feel its there duty to grief the other 99% off the server. Even such things as FBSS camps are griefed daily. Don't even bother entering Kael or ToV. You can have one person training all day long for people just doing HoT.

Red should just be wiped or just made into a private server for the top 1% (which it essentially is any way)

[Metalopolis]

Wiping Red99 will solve nothing dont u get it? Red99s toxic community ruined the server themselves and a new server will end up just the same.

Stop blaming others (especially the GMs) and reap what you've sown.

[Prismaticshop]

Red is dead anyways, i dont see more than 80 people on on prime time.

[jcr4990]

Red is dead anyways, i dont see more than 80 people on on prime time.

"Thriving"

[JboxCSU]

And NECRO!

(Or Deja Vu?)

[Pokesan]

lol

[Swish]

Wiping Red99 will solve nothing dont u get it? Red99s toxic community ruined the server themselves and a new server will end up just the same.

Stop blaming others (especially the GMs) and reap what you've sown.

People want to play something new. I'd argue a wipe for red would draw a lot more interest.

[Tankdan]

bump

[Dolalin]

Speed hacking, now? Days after a previous 10 day raid ban? What does it take to get a guild disbanded these days anyway?

[khanable]

Speed hacking, now? Days after a previous 10 day raid ban? What does it take to get a guild disbanded these days anyway?

Requirements for guild disbandment:
-playing on the red server

[Skew]

Speed hacking, now? Days after a previous 10 day raid ban? What does it take to get a guild disbanded these days anyway?

Software or the ole "alt-tab" beardery~?

Kick em to Red. Next guild caught doing the same can follow.

[Lowako]

Speed hacking, now? Days after a previous 10 day raid ban? What does it take to get a guild disbanded these days anyway?

Not speed-hacking, just manipulating frame rates. Basically a few things are determined by your frame rate in this game, most notably levitate mechanics, mouse-turn speed, how high you jump out of water, and fall speed. The higher your FPS, the slower you fall, slower you turn, and the slower you lose height while levitating. When you jump, you get a boost straight ahead of your character. AFAIK, you also lose forward speed the longer you are airborne. When you alt-tab out of the game, your FPS in the client drops pretty low.

The fabled alt-tab jump works by jumping to gain forward speed, alt tab out while airborne to fall faster to minimize de-acceleration, then tab back in before you land to continue running at full speed.

You can also manipulate your frame rate to prevent fall damage (if you click levitate while airborne at around 100fps, you can actually get stuck in the air for a bit), as well as being able to stay levitated very high in the air without falling much. Frame-rate manipulation can be used to climb walls while levitating through cleverly timed alt tabs.

I think most of the above is common knowledge to people who have played on various titanium or pre-titanium EQ clients though.

[Vianna]

Awakened being proven to be big time cheaters on this server it seems lately. Hjial seems to be a pretty big cheater in several instances.

[Skew]

The idea that casuals can compete with FTE racing if they just put in the time then is shot to bits.
We arent playing Call of Duty. Having to do all that crap , actually tabbing out of the client to desktop and back each jump , to have a chance at an FTE when the lines busy is just too much lol. Im sure this is what Rogean wanted on his classic server...
Rule changes inc.

[arsenalpow]

Where's the post in the rules section that says alt+tab jumping is banned? Not trolling, legit curious.

[Vianna]

Not speed-hacking, just manipulating frame rates. Basically a few things are determined by your frame rate in this game, most notably levitate mechanics, mouse-turn speed, how high you jump out of water, and fall speed. The higher your FPS, the slower you fall, slower you turn, and the slower you lose height while levitating. When you jump, you get a boost straight ahead of your character. AFAIK, you also lose forward speed the longer you are airborne. When you alt-tab out of the game, your FPS in the client drops pretty low.

The fabled alt-tab jump works by jumping to gain forward speed, alt tab out while airborne to fall faster to minimize de-acceleration, then tab back in before you land to continue running at full speed.

You can also manipulate your frame rate to prevent fall damage (if you click levitate while airborne at around 100fps, you can actually get stuck in the air for a bit), as well as being able to stay levitated very high in the air without falling much. Frame-rate manipulation can be used to climb walls while levitating through cleverly timed alt tabs.

I think most of the above is common knowledge to people who have played on various titanium or pre-titanium EQ clients though.

You guys in Awakened are sick. Cheating at all costs. I was wondering why Hjial's videos always had what looked like alt+tab screen pop while jumping in his races and others didn't when I watched them.

[Vianna]

Where's the post in the rules section that says alt+tab jumping is banned? Not trolling, legit curious.

It says any run speed greater than SoW. That causes run speed greater than SoW.

[arsenalpow]

It says any run speed greater than SoW. That causes run speed greater than SoW.

No, that sentence covers "movement speed buffs" as in spirit of cheetah or scale of wolf instead of SoW. Alt+tab jumping isn't a buff, it's a manipulation of FPS which it says nothing about. Also says nothing about crown of rule jumping, nothing about using lev rings to toggle lev for different spots. It also says nothing about using screen sharing to track.

I'm not condoning the tactic, I'm just pointing out that none of it is covered but awakened just got popped for it, and everyone knows both A/A entities are doing all that shit. Smells fishy.

[Skew]

Where's the post in the rules section that says alt+tab jumping is banned? Not trolling, legit curious.

Seems to be an abuse of the client on a fundamental level (its not possible without playing in windows mode?)

There are rules against using items gained legitimately (pd crowns) or bard speed in VP or druids/shms using their run spells . Nalken was banned for using shadow step item. So using such chicanery as this would be a logical no no.

[Lowako]

It says any run speed greater than SoW. That causes run speed greater than SoW.

Jumping - without alt tab (and at 60fps)- is faster than SoW. You could run the game at around 10~ FPS and get the same benefit if you really wanted to.

Not condoning the use of alt-tab jumping, just explaining how the client works.

[maskedmelon]

Fewer rules and clarifications are better. Instead of scouring rules for loopholes and thinking, "can I get away with this?" people will more often question, "will I get banned for this?" It causes the mind to doubt one's own actions rather than how to legitimize them. Keep rules simple. Keep penalties stiff. Keep people questioning ^^

[Lammy]

Imagine being married to that guy

[Lazie]

No, that sentence covers "movement speed buffs" as in spirit of cheetah or scale of wolf instead of SoW. Alt+tab jumping isn't a buff, it's a manipulation of FPS which it says nothing about. Also says nothing about crown of rule jumping, nothing about using lev rings to toggle lev for different spots. It also says nothing about using screen sharing to track.

I'm not condoning the tactic, I'm just pointing out that none of it is covered but awakened just got popped for it, and everyone knows both A/A entities are doing all that shit. Smells fishy.

Usual Chest response. I have no skin in this game anymore. However, I watched the fraps of the races and there was only one person using that trick in their fraps. It was Hjial.

[Lazie]

Jumping - without alt tab (and at 60fps)- is faster than SoW. You could run the game at around 10~ FPS and get the same benefit if you really wanted to.

Not condoning the use of alt-tab jumping, just explaining how the client works.

Try running an entire race for a mob at 10 FPS. See how that works for you.

[Vianna]

No, that sentence covers "movement speed buffs" as in spirit of cheetah or scale of wolf instead of SoW. Alt+tab jumping isn't a buff, it's a manipulation of FPS which it says nothing about. Also says nothing about crown of rule jumping, nothing about using lev rings to toggle lev for different spots. It also says nothing about using screen sharing to track.

I'm not condoning the tactic, I'm just pointing out that none of it is covered but awakened just got popped for it, and everyone knows both A/A entities are doing all that shit. Smells fishy.

If you can't read the rules correctly. I don't know what to tell you.

[Vianna]

Jumping - without alt tab (and at 60fps)- is faster than SoW. You could run the game at around 10~ FPS and get the same benefit if you really wanted to.

Not condoning the use of alt-tab jumping, just explaining how the client works.

No running your game constantly at 10 fps would be a burden not an advantage. You people are exploiting.

[arsenalpow]

This is why shit needs to be written down and specified for all this loophole shit. It's always been a problem on this server.

When BDA and Taken were first breaking into VP we each lost dragons to Aftermath based on previous rulings that were never spoken about or logged. Taken specifically lost a clean PD because the puller waiter until PD was in LoS at the top of the balcony before jumping instead of just jumping down immediately. Aftermath said it was a stall, referenced some nonsense ruling from back when TMO and IB fought for VP and Sirken swooped in and used that as precedence.

There's nothing in that ruleset saying alt tab jumping isn't legal, just like all the other shit I listed isn't banned either. Both sides are doing this shit, don't play dumb.

[Swish]

This is why shit needs to be written down and specified for all this loophole shit. It's always been a problem on this server.

When BDA and Taken were first breaking into VP we each lost dragons to Aftermath based on previous rulings that were never spoken about or logged. Taken specifically lost a clean PD because the puller waiter until PD was in LoS at the top of the balcony before jumping instead of just jumping down immediately. Aftermath said it was a stall, referenced some nonsense ruling from back when TMO and IB fought for VP and Sirken swooped in and used that as precedence.

There's nothing in that ruleset saying alt tab jumping isn't legal, just like all the other shit I listed isn't banned either. Both sides are doing this shit, don't play dumb.

At this point I'm going to go with BDA coming back to P99, Chest still invested in raid scene politics here.

tag so I can find this later: BDA2P99

[JboxCSU]

Yeah more fucking raid rules is exactly what blue needs. Spoken like a true p99 pretend lawyer.

[Dolalin]

The only rule change needed is one line at the bottom:

"If you're doing something that feels like it could be cheating, it is."

[kotton05]

Where the fuck is zoole??? I told ya bro .

[arsenalpow]

Yeah more fucking raid rules is exactly what blue needs. Spoken like a true p99 pretend lawyer.
Not more rules, just cover the loopholes so the suspension doesn't look biased as shit.

The only rule change needed is one line at the bottom:

"If you're doing something that feels like it could be cheating, it is."
I feel like skype screen sharing is cheating, A/A doesn't. The staff has to decide which parts are cheating and which aren't and then it needs to be specified.

[maskedmelon]

looping back around, wasn't Hijal the same fellow who thought it would be OK to run for dragon from 4 instead of line since he had been on his way to refresh sow?

[Skew]

Not more rules, just cover the loopholes so the suspension doesn't look biased as shit.


I feel like skype screen sharing is cheating, A/A doesn't. The staff has to decide which parts are cheating and which aren't and then it needs to be specified.

no one here gives two short fucks what you think about skype screen sharing.

[khanable]

what is a short fuck

[Daldaen]

what is a short fuck

How halflings reproduce is my guess.

[Prismaticshop]

no one here gives two short fucks what you think about skype screen sharing.

Chest doesn't even play here anymore, but like the rest of his BDA cuck circle, they still post here as if they were relevant lol

[maskedmelon]

what is a short fuck

Anything less than 20 minutes.

[Skew]

Anything less than 20 minutes.

Correct answer.

[kotton05]

looping back around, wasn't Hijal the same fellow who thought it would be OK to run for dragon from 4 instead of line since he had been on his way to refresh sow?

Yess

[Leiker]

To be honest, they should start dishing out bans to cheating players, not just suspend their guilds.

[t3kn34k]

To be honest, they should start dishing out bans to cheating players, not just suspend their guilds.

Delete the loot from every Hijal FTE

[bktroost]

To be honest, they should start dishing out bans to cheating players, not just suspend their guilds.

Guilds need to own their players, not the other way around. If anyone is caught cheating in AG or suspected of RMTERS, etc they are gone 9/10 times. Doesn't matter who they are, how well they pull or fte, how much dkp they have or even submitted if they are an officer.

My people know that if the police come knocking on my door I open the door wide and let them in.

If a guild knows that this guy has cheated twice now and keeps them in the guild It's asking for future trouble on them. In business I've learned a golden rule about employees. "It's not the ones you let go that keep you up at night; it's the ones you dont let go that do."

[Skew]

Delete the loot from every Hijal FTE

This is something we can all get behind.Even Awakened.

I have never cheated and dont support cheaters. Please go back to RNF where you belong with the rest of the trollers.

Thanks.
__________________
Mikeo Langelo <Awakened>

[manguard]

Guilds need to own their players, not the other way around. If anyone is caught cheating in AG or suspected of RMTERS, etc they are gone 9/10 times. Doesn't matter who they are, how well they pull or fte, how much dkp they have or even submitted if they are an officer.

My people know that if the police come knocking on my door I open the door wide and let them in.

If a guild knows that this guy has cheated twice now and keeps them in the guild It's asking for future trouble on them. In business I've learned a golden rule about employees. "It's not the ones you let go that keep you up at night; it's the ones you dont let go that do."

What about a path to redemption? Second chances?

[maskedmelon]

Yess

So in addition to the two Breaken conceded, Hijal has now costed the guild two more vulaks in addition to two of every other mob. Why can't all guilds be blessed with such talent?

Also

Correct answer.

Yay! What do I win?

[bktroost]

What about a path to redemption? Second chances?

Depends on the crime. I don't have a lot of time for that when it comes to cheating. Don't cheat. Winning can never be more important than playing the game. In all the times I've disbanded people I've rarely invited those people back and 100% of the time I have it has resulted in repeat disbandable behavior resulting in them being disbanded again. Over 7ish years you see a lot of patterns. This is definitely one of them.

[Capi]

looping back around, wasn't Hijal the same fellow who thought it would be OK to run for dragon from 4 instead of line since he had been on his way to refresh sow?

Hijal also featured here: "we didn't COH too early we were simply bringing up another tracker"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=97LRggGymcg

[Leiker]

Is Hijal the old "FTE without logic or fairness" guy too?

Guess he is still living up to his promise if he is, lmao.

[Skew]

I guess Aftermath will do the same with Detoxx and Nalken and Mistins loot as well?

When were they caught cheating? Nalken served a ban and had loot deleted in TMO.

I dont know who Mistin is and never saw Detoxx get TMO,Forsaken or AM banned for exploit cheating when i was part of it.

[Vianna]

This is why shit needs to be written down and specified for all this loophole shit. It's always been a problem on this server.

When BDA and Taken were first breaking into VP we each lost dragons to Aftermath based on previous rulings that were never spoken about or logged. Taken specifically lost a clean PD because the puller waiter until PD was in LoS at the top of the balcony before jumping instead of just jumping down immediately. Aftermath said it was a stall, referenced some nonsense ruling from back when TMO and IB fought for VP and Sirken swooped in and used that as precedence.

There's nothing in that ruleset saying alt tab jumping isn't legal, just like all the other shit I listed isn't banned either. Both sides are doing this shit, don't play dumb.


No they aren't. This is just the continuing saga of your bias toward TMO and players who were formerly tagged in that guild. It shows a lot with you. The videos of these races were on youtube viewable for anyone to see. In all the videos of those races I saw where people won the races only Hjial was alt+tab jumping. You could see the screen pop in when he did it.

[Joyelle]

The videos of these races were on youtube viewable for anyone to see. In all the videos of those races I saw where people won the races only Hjial was alt+tab jumping. You could see the screen pop in when he did it.

Don't worry, I think we saved some of AM's FTE videos before they all suddenly went private this morning ;)

[Vianna]

Don't worry, I think we saved some of AM's FTE videos before they all suddenly went private this morning ;)

And in none of those were alt+tab used. It was only in videos of Hjial. Weirdly you guys only got suspended for one instance of it. When it was evident he did in it almost every race he won based on the videos he posted. Your guild is the scummiest to ever be part of the end game on this server.

[Swish]

seek help

[Prismaticshop]

Don't worry, I think we saved some of AM's FTE videos before they all suddenly went private this morning ;)

You make copies of your enemies' elf simulator fraps youtube videos ?

ooooooooooooooooooooooook.

[maskedmelon]

There a way to identify this as a 3rd party observer or is the cheater's own fraps needed? If the latter, everyone just gon pull up they pants instead of runnin around with they bums hanging out.

[Prismaticshop]

seek help

[zanderklocke]

Is Hijal the old "FTE without logic or fairness" guy too?

Guess he is still living up to his promise if he is, lmao.

I think Hyjal and Hjial (spelling?) are different players.

[Lammy]

Do you think players like this are aware that what they are doing is cheating and ruining the experience for their competitors who are playing fair? Because I get that sometimes people are ignorant or that things happen in the heat of battle.

[kotton05]

Don't worry, I think we saved some of AM's FTE videos before they all suddenly went private this morning ;)

Funny thing is you're so far out of touch. should I mention other petitions that are being processed against awakened? There is more to come even still. I'm sure someone in your guild might be aware. The class r babies of yesterday are in full /tear mode tho. Still doesn't compare to chests cringe shit posts, props chest being salty for years now.

[FatMice]

God damn I think I love you Merkk/Kotton.

[kotton05]

God damn I think I love you Merkk/Kotton.

I'd totally swipe right on you too sir:)

[Ella`Ella]

Don't worry, I think we saved some of AM's FTE videos before they all suddenly went private this morning ;)

This isn't going to get traction, KEK.

Expert Pixel Lawyer Extraordinaire, Unbrella Ella`Ella, Esquire. delivered exceptional counsel to his client a couple months ago when this was first discovered and had a petition filed saying that we know this is being abused by Awakened and that one cannot reasonably expect to compete unless it's stopped. We then leaked the mechanic to the whole community on these forums so that all raiding guilds had access to this knowledge and could use it to 'reasonably' compete if they wanted to, thus no one had an advantage.

We call it "The Catherin Clause"

When GMs finally reviewed the situation, all guilds were told to make sure they aren't abusing any mechanics and Awakened continued to use it.

We have 11 of these counts documented - you're lucky all these counts were consolidated into a single suspension.

[Ella`Ella]

Also, your 7-day statute of limitations is up. Get fucked.

[Daldaen]

On P99 it has always been an arms race in the Tactics used to gain a competitive edge until you do something the staff isn't fond of and they smack you for it.

In this case, it appears manipulating FPS changes to jump better is a no go. Just like past guilds and players found out things like autofire spamming after CoTH or on a spawn point was a no go. Or using Shadow Step masks down slopes to guarantee a jump ahead was a no go. Or Rez boxing for FTE is a no go. Or binding near a spawn point is a no go. Or Lulling through a wall for a critical resist is a no go. Or corpsing DA Idols under Trakanon to stall him is a no go. Etc etc

That's just the nature of the competitive scene on P99. People/Guilds think of something creative (although in many cases extremely neckbeardy) and eventually it's deemed to be against the spirit of the rules and banned.

What would be nice though is every time Sirken rules on this, he updates the rules sticky in that forum. Cause what Chest said is certainly true. Taken/BDA competed without any real issue in VP while guilds were focusing on Velious and once a guild came back from Velious to contest VP all of a sudden the rules/standards that were expected during Kunark VP, which BDA and Taken had no experience with, were now law again and some 2012 ruling was pulled up to suspend a guild when it was posted no where.

[Cecily]

Is Hijal the old "FTE without logic or fairness" guy too?

Guess he is still living up to his promise if he is, lmao.

Oh shit he is, haha.

[Joyelle]

And in none of those were alt+tab used. It was only in videos of Hjial. Weirdly you guys only got suspended for one instance of it. When it was evident he did in it almost every race he won based on the videos he posted. Your guild is the scummiest to ever be part of the end game on this server.

If Detoxx, Mistin and Nalken aren't hiding anything then they should have no problem with making all of the FTE videos they hid this morning public again. Until that happens...

[Cecily]

... Awakened will be banned. Lul.

[khanable]

kek

[maskedmelon]

Somehow I feel that it still ok to object to a cavity search even if I got nothing to hide. Ya know?

[Vianna]

On P99 it has always been an arms race in the Tactics used to gain a competitive edge until you do something the staff isn't fond of and they smack you for it.

In this case, it appears manipulating FPS changes to jump better is a no go. Just like past guilds and players found out things like autofire spamming after CoTH or on a spawn point was a no go. Or using Shadow Step masks down slopes to guarantee a jump ahead was a no go. Or Rez boxing for FTE is a no go. Or binding near a spawn point is a no go. Or Lulling through a wall for a critical resist is a no go. Or corpsing DA Idols under Trakanon to stall him is a no go. Etc etc

That's just the nature of the competitive scene on P99. People/Guilds think of something creative (although in many cases extremely neckbeardy) and eventually it's deemed to be against the spirit of the rules and banned.

What would be nice though is every time Sirken rules on this, he updates the rules sticky in that forum. Cause what Chest said is certainly true. Taken/BDA competed without any real issue in VP while guilds were focusing on Velious and once a guild came back from Velious to contest VP all of a sudden the rules/standards that were expected during Kunark VP, which BDA and Taken had no experience with, were now law again and some 2012 ruling was pulled up to suspend a guild when it was posted no where.

And the feeble attempts at spinning has begun. Hjial has on multiple occasions clearly cheated now. Yet you come here trying to defend it. The cases you listed were just largely conjecture and unproven. The issues that weren't set the precedent for the rules in place. Rules Hjial has repeatedly broken. Go ahead though and support the cheating.

Of the rules broken you listed.

Taken/Awakened bound near a spawn and broke that rule
Taken/Awakened manipulated alt+tab to gain advantages
Taken/Awakened admitted to autofire use via Catherine in a fraps video

You guys want us to all believe it was "Just us keeping up with the competitive raid scene guys". Yet your players and members are consistently the ones breaking these rules. The suspensions and bans for these things by your guild is well documented. It seems only one guild consistently tries to push rules past their limit to the point of suspensions for sure. It is your guild.

[dafier]

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder398/65934398.jpg

[Vianna]

If Detoxx, Mistin and Nalken aren't hiding anything then they should have no problem with making all of the FTE videos they hid this morning public again. Until that happens...

Sad just sad that you guys support cheaters in your guild and try to deflect blame on other people because you get caught cheating.

[Breaken]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

[maskedmelon]

To be fair, there is a valid point to be made about devising new strategies, most of specially when you try to develop a comprehensive rule set. People will reasonably assume that if it is not in the rules it must be ok! That is why you make fewer, more general rules. Intuitively people understand (for the most part) what is and is not acceptable. The more you try to narrow it, the more grey you introduce. The FPS deal is obviously exploiting game mechanics.

[dafier]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

Sirken,

Please take note. The is probably the best post in this thread.

Miss you,

[Vianna]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

Then share the videos for everyone to see. This is just more posturing from a poorly run guild.

[Daldaen]

To be fair, there is a valid point to be made about devising new strategies, most of specially when you try to develop a comprehensive rule set. People will reasonably assume that if it is not in the rules it must be ok! That is why you make fewer, more general rules. Intuitively people understand (for the most part) what is and is not acceptable. The more you try to narrow it, the more grey you introduce. The FPS deal is obviously exploiting game mechanics.

Basically this.

Grey areas exist because of the mentality "if it isn't explicitly banned it's okay". That's been the petitionquest motto since the beginning. Lull pulling is one of those grey areas that was acceptable for awhile and then eventually ruled against the spirit of the rules.

Exploiting how FPS changes when tabbing to gain a lead is pretty clearly against the spirit of the rules. If hjial was the only one doing this and Awakened the only one benefiting it makes sense to suspend them.

[kotton05]

Thing is, the burden of proof has to be there and it's been proven awakened will cheat / train / rule lawyer anyone out of pixels if need be.

basically you guys are the lance armstong of p99. You've won your races/pixels but in the end you was cheating. All your wins don't mean shit now.

What's more interesting is how all the sudden they got proof of aftermath doing it but in the video you will prolly see awakened still breaking the rules so you won't post or use them if I had to bet:) also Refer to unbrellas statute of limitations regarding petitions, you don't got shit.

[bktroost]

No they aren't. This is just the continuing saga of your bias toward TMO and players who were formerly tagged in that guild. It shows a lot with you. The videos of these races were on youtube viewable for anyone to see.

You are incorrect... however,

Also, your 7-day statute of limitations is up. Get fucked.

He is correct.


So none of it matters. I have fraps of both guilds, logs of both guild leads admitting to this and names of people that have done it stored. I, however, don't petition. I just keep myself as a healthy repository for information when it is needed in the raid scene.

Real long lasting change doesn't happen in skype channels with GMs, they happen in skype channels with other guild leaders.

[Itap]

To be fair, there is a valid point to be made about devising new strategies.

Developing new strategies =/= manipulating the client to gain an advantage

[bktroost]

Basically this.

Grey areas exist because of the mentality "if it isn't explicitly banned it's okay". That's been the petitionquest motto since the beginning. Lull pulling is one of those grey areas that was acceptable for awhile and then eventually ruled against the spirit of the rules.


unacceptable line of thinking for any leader. We all have skype access to Sirken and Braknar. If one of your members comes up with a way to do something you send them a message and ask if it is okay.

During Rampage's reign i had a bard that came to me with a faction bending mechanic to kill Klandicar, Gore and Sontalak with unsimilarly factioned mobs and dragon aoes SOLO. I asked Sirken and he said it wasn't possible.

I watched him do it and then invited Sirken to join. He killed Klandicar twice and Sontalak once. (Once for me as proof and once for Sirken as proof). The faction was then changed by a Dev because they didn't approve.

Fix the game. Don't try to break it. Helpful hackers v.s. community terrorists.

[Itap]

Basically this.

Grey areas exist because of the mentality "if it isn't explicitly banned it's okay". That's been the petitionquest motto since the beginning. Lull pulling is one of those grey areas that was acceptable for awhile and then eventually ruled against the spirit of the rules.

Exploiting how FPS changes when tabbing to gain a lead is pretty clearly against the spirit of the rules. If hjial was the only one doing this and Awakened the only one benefiting it makes sense to suspend them.

Is this the "Better to ask for forgiveness than permission" raid strat?

[Vianna]

You are incorrect... however,



He is correct.


So none of it matters. I have fraps of both guilds, logs of both guild leads admitting to this and names of people that have done it stored. I, however, don't petition. I just keep myself as a healthy repository for information when it is needed in the raid scene.

Real long lasting change doesn't happen in skype channels with GMs, they happen in skype channels with other guild leaders.

No I was not incorrect.

[Daldaen]

Then share the videos for everyone to see. This is just more posturing from a poorly run guild.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUQd1kevYqk

Note how Mistin's screen lags out, lowering his FPS at the 4-way when he jumps off the center pillar, and at the Aaryonar drop and at the ramp down to Vulak 4-way.

Sometimes people mean what they say.

[bktroost]

No I was not incorrect.

sigh, do i need to go get skype channel admissions from AM guild leader saying that he DOES have people who have done this? Because Detoxx doesn't even try to deny it. He's trying to move past it. Don't spin bad information. It doesn't help your guild. They both did it. AM wants to stop doing it. AW has some people who still do it and their leadership needs to lay down the law internally. Both guilds publicly don't want to do it moving forward.

Tomorrow is a brighter future. Yesterday was crappy. Don't deny facts.

[Ella`Ella]

Then share the videos for everyone to see. This is just more posturing from a poorly run guild.

He doesn't have the petition. Actually, the petition was just a request to make this stop on all sides from ALL guilds - Awakened just kept doing it and then finally got caught by staff and then was validated by player fraps. In fact, the petition said specifically "I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, I just want this to stop all around". This followed a conversation Detoxx had with Breaken where they both acknowledged it was happening and Breaken blessed it as fair game.

The problem with Awakened is that they have a "it's not illegal if you don't get caught mentality" and it's been this way since their days as Taken. My best example goes back to Catherin and Auto-Fire, but there are countless examples. I've even spoken to Awakened members that make a case saying that "It doesn't matter if we eat a 10 day suspension - Sirken doesn't delete loot anymore, so we can do whatever we want for an entire raid cycle and then worst case scenario we lose one cycle" - this is actually from a conversation which I had with an old friend of mine and one of their top FTErs.

The mentality trickles down from the leadership to the players, trying to gain the edge at whatever expense. It's no longer about actually getting the mob it's more about the satisfaction of getting away with murder.

If you read this thread, there are no Awakened members criticizing Hijal for using a tactic they knew was manipulative and exploitative, they're simply attacking Aftermath for "Doing it, too". And, that's the problem as it was, as it is, and how it will continue to be.

[Vianna]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUQd1kevYqk

Note how Mistin's screen lags out, lowering his FPS at the 4-way when he jumps off the center pillar, and at the Aaryonar drop and at the ramp down to Vulak 4-way.

Sometimes people mean what they say.

Uhm no. In that video you see no alt+tab occurring. If you watch any race by Hjial you see the screen quickly swap when he alt+tab jumps. All that video shows is a player legitimately running competing against a guy alt+tabbing.

[Ella`Ella]

Misquoted myself

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

[Vianna]

If he were doing the same thing as Hjial he wouldn't be a mile behind him in that video.

[Lammy]

He doesn't have the petition. Actually, the petition was just a request to make this stop on all sides from ALL guilds - Awakened just kept doing it and then finally got caught by staff and then was validated by player fraps. In fact, the petition said specifically "I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, I just want this to stop all around". This followed a conversation Detoxx had with Breaken where they both acknowledged it was happening and Breaken blessed it as fair game.

The problem with Awakened is that they have a "it's not illegal if you don't get caught mentality" and it's been this way since their days as Taken. My best example goes back to Catherin and Auto-Fire, but there are countless examples. I've even spoken to Awakened members that make a case saying that "It doesn't matter if we eat a 10 day suspension - Sirken doesn't delete loot anymore, so we can do whatever we want for an entire raid cycle and then worst case scenario we lose one cycle" - this is actually from a conversation which I had with an old friend of mine and one of their top FTErs.

The mentality trickles down from the leadership to the players, trying to gain the edge at whatever expense. It's no longer about actually getting the mob it's more about the satisfaction of getting away with murder.

If you read this thread, there are no Awakened members criticizing Hijal for using a tactic they knew was manipulative and exploitative, they're simply attacking Aftermath for "Doing it, too". And, that's the problem as it was, as it is, and how it will continue to be.

Poetry

[Leiker]

He doesn't have the petition. Actually, the petition was just a request to make this stop on all sides from ALL guilds - Awakened just kept doing it and then finally got caught by staff and then was validated by player fraps. In fact, the petition said specifically "I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, I just want this to stop all around". This followed a conversation Detoxx had with Breaken where they both acknowledged it was happening and Breaken blessed it as fair game.

The problem with Awakened is that they have a "it's not illegal if you don't get caught mentality" and it's been this way since their days as Taken. My best example goes back to Catherin and Auto-Fire, but there are countless examples. I've even spoken to Awakened members that make a case saying that "It doesn't matter if we eat a 10 day suspension - Sirken doesn't delete loot anymore, so we can do whatever we want for an entire raid cycle and then worst case scenario we lose one cycle" - this is actually from a conversation which I had with an old friend of mine and one of their top FTErs.

The mentality trickles down from the leadership to the players, trying to gain the edge at whatever expense. It's no longer about actually getting the mob it's more about the satisfaction of getting away with murder.

If you read this thread, there are no Awakened members criticizing Hijal for using a tactic they knew was manipulative and exploitative, they're simply attacking Aftermath for "Doing it, too". And, that's the problem as it was, as it is, and how it will continue to be.

Time to drain the swamp.

Permaban cheaters and exploiters!

[arsenalpow]

And I thought my koolaid was strong. I need Detoxx's recipe because whatever Vianna is drinking is that good good shit.

[FatMice]

He doesn't have the petition. Actually, the petition was just a request to make this stop on all sides from ALL guilds - Awakened just kept doing it and then finally got caught by staff and then was validated by player fraps. In fact, the petition said specifically "I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, I just want this to stop all around". This followed a conversation Detoxx had with Breaken where they both acknowledged it was happening and Breaken blessed it as fair game.

The problem with Awakened is that they have a "it's not illegal if you don't get caught mentality" and it's been this way since their days as Taken. My best example goes back to Catherin and Auto-Fire, but there are countless examples. I've even spoken to Awakened members that make a case saying that "It doesn't matter if we eat a 10 day suspension - Sirken doesn't delete loot anymore, so we can do whatever we want for an entire raid cycle and then worst case scenario we lose one cycle" - this is actually from a conversation which I had with an old friend of mine and one of their top FTErs.

The mentality trickles down from the leadership to the players, trying to gain the edge at whatever expense. It's no longer about actually getting the mob it's more about the satisfaction of getting away with murder.

If you read this thread, there are no Awakened members criticizing Hijal for using a tactic they knew was manipulative and exploitative, they're simply attacking Aftermath for "Doing it, too". And, that's the problem as it was, as it is, and how it will continue to be.

Quoted for mutha fucking truth.

[Vianna]

sigh, do i need to go get skype channel admissions from AM guild leader saying that he DOES have people who have done this? Because Detoxx doesn't even try to deny it. He's trying to move past it. Don't spin bad information. It doesn't help your guild. They both did it. AM wants to stop doing it. AW has some people who still do it and their leadership needs to lay down the law internally. Both guilds publicly don't want to do it moving forward.

Tomorrow is a brighter future. Yesterday was crappy. Don't deny facts.

I am not in Aftermath. The proof is clearly that Awakened does it and has done it for a long time. The lead Hjial has in fraps shows others aren't doing it or they wouldn't be so far behind. I am sure Aftermath probably tested it after they found out about it. That isn't the thing being discussed. Hjial and Awakened cheated and continued to cheat for months. Other guilds did not want to be part of that cheating.

[khanable]

Uhm no. In that video you see no alt+tab occurring. If you watch any race by Hjial you see the screen quickly swap when he alt+tab jumps. All that video shows is a player legitimately running competing against a guy alt+tabbing.

Naw there is alt-tabbing happening there. You don't need to actually alt+tab - anything that makes EQ lose focus (ie, the foreground window) will cause a dip in FPS, which allows the exploits to happen.

Notice the mouse pointer coming in/out.

[Vianna]

And I thought my koolaid was strong. I need Detoxx's recipe because whatever Vianna is drinking is that good good shit.

I am not in Aftermath you ignorant ox.

[FatMice]

And I thought my koolaid was strong. I need Detoxx's recipe because whatever Vianna is drinking is that good good shit.

Chest you must have a serious case of PTSD if you keep coming back here and posting on P99 while proudly reminding everyone you don't play on this server anymore.

[Papa]

all chest has to do is post and swish and a few others go frothing at the mouth lol. Sad!

also p99 server staff literally raid suspending people for alt-tabbing. Ridiculous!

[bktroost]

I am not in Aftermath. The proof is clearly that Awakened does it and has done it for a long time. The lead Hjial has in fraps shows others aren't doing it or they wouldn't be so far behind. I am sure Aftermath probably tested it after they found out about it. That isn't the thing being discussed. Hjial and Awakened cheated and continued to cheat for months. Other guilds did not want to be part of that cheating.

aah now that is a very different point. Yes, both guilds have cheated. Yes, Awakened got caught. Yes, Aftermath asked Awakened to STOP cheating and they would also. No, the conversation had no effect to change the environment.

That is all I know.

[khanable]

all chest has to do is post and swish and a few others go frothing at the mouth lol. Sad!

also p99 server staff literally raid suspending people for alt-tabbing. Ridiculous!

One could make the argument that alt-tabbing isn't classic ya know :p

Verant/SOE locked that shit down and caught a lot of shit for it!

[arsenalpow]

aah now that is a very different point. Yes, both guilds have cheated. Yes, Awakened got caught. Yes, Aftermath asked Awakened to STOP cheating and they would also. No, the conversation had no effect to change the environment.

That is all I know.

Did both guilds get told to stop it by staff?

[Junias]

Uhm no. In that video you see no alt+tab occurring. If you watch any race by Hjial you see the screen quickly swap when he alt+tab jumps. All that video shows is a player legitimately running competing against a guy alt+tabbing.

Yes, totally legit run. I often move my cursor off screen right before I jump and my FPS plummets. 100% normal.

Alt-tab is the same as clicking off a window is the same as dragging a window. All exploits.

[Vianna]

Naw there is alt-tabbing happening there. You don't need to actually alt+tab - anything that makes EQ lose focus (ie, the foreground window) will cause a dip in FPS, which allows the exploits to happen.

Notice the mouse pointer coming in/out.

Ok you are right I notice that now thanks.

[Erati]

I am sure Aftermath probably tested it after they found out about it.
:rolleyes:

[arsenalpow]

Ok you are right I notice that now thanks.

You gonna walk back that "Aftermath never cheats" nonsense?

[arsenalpow]

you gonna get off hulk hogans nuts gayboy?

Why would I?

[bktroost]

Did both guilds get told to stop it by staff?

Both guilds know this is illegal as sirken has privately talked to them about it and I personally made it public last week:

http://imgur.com/a/7Rb83


Also, i've asked Sirken if it was okay to publicly share this quote and got permission. I am not in the habit of posting screenshots in private convos. This is known information by everyone that races.

[maskedmelon]

He doesn't have the petition. Actually, the petition was just a request to make this stop on all sides from ALL guilds - Awakened just kept doing it and then finally got caught by staff and then was validated by player fraps. In fact, the petition said specifically "I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, I just want this to stop all around". This followed a conversation Detoxx had with Breaken where they both acknowledged it was happening and Breaken blessed it as fair game.

The problem with Awakened is that they have a "it's not illegal if you don't get caught mentality" and it's been this way since their days as Taken. My best example goes back to Catherin and Auto-Fire, but there are countless examples. I've even spoken to Awakened members that make a case saying that "It doesn't matter if we eat a 10 day suspension - Sirken doesn't delete loot anymore, so we can do whatever we want for an entire raid cycle and then worst case scenario we lose one cycle" - this is actually from a conversation which I had with an old friend of mine and one of their top FTErs.

The mentality trickles down from the leadership to the players, trying to gain the edge at whatever expense. It's no longer about actually getting the mob it's more about the satisfaction of getting away with murder.

If you read this thread, there are no Awakened members criticizing Hijal for using a tactic they knew was manipulative and exploitative, they're simply attacking Aftermath for "Doing it, too". And, that's the problem as it was, as it is, and how it will continue to be.

[Pokesan]

Why isn't it 20 days?

[FatMice]

I really don't know why there is this constant addressing of the rules in Skype. There is a Raid Discussion forum. USE IT.

[Papa]

so to get everyone up to speed:

you have to install an infected .dll to play on p99, that probably lets the staff see more about you and your computer habits than you would like, and ON TOP OF THAT, they are literally regulating what you can and can't do on your own computer (like alt tab to post on forums while you're raiding)

noice

[arsenalpow]

Both guilds know this is illegal as sirken has privately talked to them about it and I personally made it public last week:

http://imgur.com/a/7Rb83


Also, i've asked Sirken if it was okay to publicly share this quote and got permission. I am not in the habit of posting screenshots in private convos. This is known information by everyone that races.

So that was on what date? The Hijal fraps is very recent, what about that Mistin fraps?

[khanable]

so to get everyone up to speed:

you have to install an infected .dll to play on p99, that probably lets the staff see more about you and your computer habits than you would like, and ON TOP OF THAT, they are literally regulating what you can and can't do on your own computer (like alt tab to post on forums while you're raiding)

noice

haha

FUCK U GUYS I WAS JUST CHECKING MY EMAIL WHILE RACING

GOD

[maskedmelon]

Could be defending strategy in RNF while running. Never know *shrugs*

[Papa]

i have OCD and can literally only check my email while mid-air in p99 everquest

[zanderklocke]

During Rampage's reign i had a bard that came to me with a faction bending mechanic to kill Klandicar, Gore and Sontalak with unsimilarly factioned mobs and dragon aoes SOLO. I asked Sirken and he said it wasn't possible.

I watched him do it and then invited Sirken to join. He killed Klandicar twice and Sontalak once. (Once for me as proof and once for Sirken as proof). The faction was then changed by a Dev because they didn't approve.


Can you describe how this worked? This sounds really cool in terms of gameplay mechanics.

[Raev]

I imagine he started a faction war by gathering up a ton of ice burrowers and having them AE Klandicar.

[Vianna]

You gonna walk back that "Aftermath never cheats" nonsense?

Please post where I said that ? I said quite clearly that Taken/Awakened was the guild that in my time on this server cheated and pushed the rules the most. Every guild has at one point broken a rule. BDA was even suspended before. But only one entity consistently gets caught and admits to things that are actual manipulation of mechancis via either auto-fire or in this case alt+tab. I mean these are things that use 3rd party programs or manipulate the client of the game.

They then turn around and say in response "You guys did this in the past" and point to in game items players used that anyone could farm.

[arsenalpow]

Can you describe how this worked? This sounds really cool in terms of gameplay mechanics.

Probably like the old faction burning stuff back on SZ. Use songs to boost faction with a dragon then make the other dragon fight you, your dragon pal will defend you from the dragon you just pissed off. I saw people use the nexus scion to kill gorenaire like that back on SZ

[Daldaen]

Typically the way that works is you charm a mob and have it attack another mob. Ideal case the mob you charmed casts a DoT. Can also be timed up with a pet casting a nuke because they don't auto interrupt on a break here. When charm breaks on the next DoT tick the raid mob would aggro your charmed pet.

Then you get a train of similarly factioned mobs to your old pet and drop them near the raid mob. They will see their brother in combat and assist him.

That's typically how it worked. Dunno the specifics in WW.

[Ella`Ella]

On red to keep Scout Charissa away from non-Empire scum, I would just train her to Sontalak, jav him so that he would AoE me when Scout was in AoE range then FD. After I would FD Charissa and the Beast would battle it out.

Bitch can do some srs dmg!

[Lammy]

Raev tested this by blinding raid target during raids

[kotton05]

Is creating a faction war in an empty or mostly empty zone ok? Like training chitari on the paebola in DN, with hopes of clearing rooms out for more exquisite weapons etc? As long as no one gets hurt?

[Daldaen]

Please post where I said that ? I said quite clearly that Taken/Awakened was the guild that in my time on this server cheated and pushed the rules the most. Every guild has at one point broken a rule. BDA was even suspended before. But only one entity consistently gets caught and admits to things that are actual manipulation of mechancis via either auto-fire or in this case alt+tab. I mean these are things that use 3rd party programs or manipulate the client of the game.

They then turn around and say in response "You guys did this in the past" and point to in game items players used that anyone could farm.

The farmability of an item is irrelevant. Anyone can alt tab as well.

The point was it goes against the spirit of the rules. The shadow step mask for example clearly went against the spirit of the rules because you're exploiting the way the game calculates where to send you when the terrain you are in has a downward slopping Z Axis value (it always sends you to the lowest point).

That's why it was banned. Not because farming shadow men was seen as too tedious.

[bktroost]

Typically the way that works is you charm a mob and have it attack another mob. Ideal case the mob you charmed casts a DoT. Can also be timed up with a pet casting a nuke because they don't auto interrupt on a break here. When charm breaks on the next DoT tick the raid mob would aggro your charmed pet.

Then you get a train of similarly factioned mobs to your old pet and drop them near the raid mob. They will see their brother in combat and assist him.

That's typically how it worked. Dunno the specifics in WW.

Close. You gather all the similiarly factioned mobs first, charm a mammoth then send him in on klandicar and kite the other mobs around until the aoe hits them. They engage Klandicar and you charm the mammoth that is last standing to kill him. If you picked the wrong amount of mobs you go get another one and toss them in. Its a long fight so you can judge if you will need another mob or two and have time to send them in.

This doesn't work anymore.

[Vianna]

The farmability of an item is irrelevant. Anyone can alt tab as well.

The point was it goes against the spirit of the rules. The shadow step mask for example clearly went against the spirit of the rules because you're exploiting the way the game calculates where to send you when the terrain you are in has a downward slopping Z Axis value (it always sends you to the lowest point).

That's why it was banned. Not because farming shadow men was seen as too tedious.

Keep telling yourself that while your guild keeps supporting people that do these things. Facts are Awakened/Taken is the guild with this reputation to manipulate the client to get ahead.

[bktroost]

I really don't know why there is this constant addressing of the rules in Skype. There is a Raid Discussion forum. USE IT.

Getting the heads who make decisions in a room in real time is the only way to make things happen. Raid discussion forum is for posting results.

[Lazie]

Confirm or deny

Nissmo and Hjial are no longer a part of Awakened ?

[Pheer]

Keep telling yourself that while your guild keeps supporting people that do these things. Facts are Awakened/Taken is the guild with this reputation to manipulate the client to get ahead.

hilarious how you highlight the part to support your argument and then ignore the very next line where he acknowledges its against the spirit of the rules

[Lazie]

Hey Pheer Nommis get kicked from Awakened ?

[Kodim]

Pras to cleaning up the raid scene, regardless of which guild is on the receiving end.

[Pheer]

Hey Pheer Nommis get kicked from Awakened ?

Rewl? Why would he? Also why would nissmo?

[Lazie]

Rewl? Why would he? Also why would nissmo?

No idea someone said their names were now white on your guys website so was asking.

[khanable]

nissmo and rewl are saints

[Lazie]

nissmo and rewl are saints

Rewl is a little crazy. Even you gotta admit that haha.

[Lazie]

Id have rewl babies if i could

That would be one ugly Baby. Geez thanks for that image.

[khanable]

guys can we stay on topic?

the shit lords in awakened alt-tabbed shadow masked down to the fungi king and stole my fucknig fungi from me now im stuck with a fucking tree weave

[kurtis]

A little birdie told me that Breaken tried to get Hjial to write out some kind of formal apology, even though Hjial has carried that guild's loot train for months. He told Breaken to get fucked and left. How will Awakened respond to losing (easily) their best runner?

More on your evening news

[Daldaen]

I'm more upset the scum lords of Awakened have been allowed to exploit the known bug, that ToV allows them to bind there.

Big Nilbog will be up in ToV one day soon resetting binds and flagging it, and all other indoor Velious dungeons, no bind so that future generations of pixel hunters must do the zone as intended; Slow and painful enough such that after 10 clears you never want to go back because you've moved on to Ssra, Seru, AC, the Deep, Acrylia Caverns and Vex Thal.

[Papa]

guild recruitment threads should really emphasize the high-priority need for racers/runners on this classic emu server

[Lazie]

BTW everyone talking about Nalken cheating. Never happened.

The time he used the shadow step mask and the rile spam was someone else's idea. Nalken is just a legit great player at this game.


I used the Rile spam first on a Vulak run to test it out. I was way behind because I was getting buffs refreshed when he spawned and used it and almost won the race at the end...got stunned at Vulak 4-way with Bruize right behind me and Bruize got it. I mentioned it working and helping and Nalken tested it one time on a Statue run up and for some reason he got in trouble instead of me who mentioned it to him.

The Shadow Step mask was another Monk whose name slips my mind now. That guy used it first and Nalken after got in trouble for that too when he was just doing something someone else had already done. The fact that Nalken was simply a better runner and made those gains pay off better than others is what got him in trouble.

I suspect the case is the same with Hjial with alt+tab jumping. Probably someone else's idea in Awakened that he used to more success. because he is a pretty good player.

[Prismaticshop]

A little birdie told me that Breaken tried to get Hjial to write out some kind of formal apology, even though Hjial has carried that guild's loot train for months. He told Breaken to get fucked and left. How will Awakened respond to losing (easily) their best runner?

More on your evening news

Crispy details.

Do tell!

(anyone can get that public apology letter to leak plz? Anyone with ties to Assange perhaps?)

[Prismaticshop]

Facts are Awakened/Taken is the guild with this reputation to manipulate the client to get ahead.

god the autofire gate, when everyone discovered their leader was using a voice changer pretending to be a woman, god, that was fucking epic.

anyone WTB FBSS ?

[Papa]

when everyone discovered their leader was using a voice changer pretending to be a woman, god, that was fucking epic.


is this actually true

[Ella`Ella]

Aftermath Forum!

http://i.imgur.com/Rgx7oC6l.png

[Pheer]

No idea someone said their names were now white on your guys website so was asking.

rewl doesnt even use the name nommis on our forums lol

[Hevie]

Hjial was consistently winning races long before he started alt tab jumping. He was not the person to start this alt tab meta, he's just better at it than his competition.

If alt tab jumping is deemed illegal, fine. But, good luck policing it. It is a great thing not to allow it in races but to come out and ban a guild for it out of the blue is sketchy work.

When you watch Hjial videos you can very easily see when he alt tabs because he's literally alt tabbing and the window shows up on the same screen. Other racers have posted videos of them doing the same jumps but on their videos you don't see a new window pop up because that person is clicking off onto another monitor.

[Gafador]

Chest, it says moving faster that SoW. That's black and white. Was alt tabbing causing his movement speed to become faster than SoW? Bam, rules broken. It doesn't need to specify hacks, let's, buffs, alt tab, anything. If your character is moving faster than SoW speed, you are breaking the rules. Very, very simple.

[Hevie]

Chest, it says moving faster that SoW. That's black and white. Was alt tabbing causing his movement speed to become faster than SoW? Bam, rules broken. It doesn't need to specify hacks, let's, buffs, alt tab, anything. If your character is moving faster than SoW speed, you are breaking the rules. Very, very simple.

Strafe running and jumping both move you faster than sow you tard

[Gafador]

Strafe running and jumping both move you faster than sow you tard

So clearly you can't strafe run and jump.

[Pokesan]

ban for jumping

[Gafador]

ban for jumping

If it moves you faster than SoW speed as stated then yes, you should be punished if that is their rule.

[Pokesan]

If it moves you faster than SoW speed as stated then yes, you should be punished if that is their rule.

agreed.

Awakened was banned for jumping.

[Kodim]

Should just force everyone to be gnomes.

[Lazie]

Strafe running and jumping both move you faster than sow you tard

Neither manipulates the client though.

[Papa]

alt tabbing to multi-task is manipulating the client though

[Papa]

p99 is a total nanny state, this is what you get with someone like trump in power and people who voted for him running the raid scene

[Gafador]

Neither manipulates the client though.

Yeah but if their rule says you can't move faster than SoW but jumping and strafing causes you to move faster than SoW then they need to punish for it, or change the language of the rules.

[Ravager]

what the fuck is alt tab jumping

you guys are losers
Succinct and accurate.

[Ravager]

Every constraint they put on raiding has just made it devolve into something stupider. It's not like it's even possible to raid the content as it was classically intended, let alone how it actually happened in classic.

Devs/GMs should just say "fuck it" remove all variance, let people log in 500 players on the spawn point and insta-gib the mobs. Who ever gets the experience gets the loot.

Quit trying to pretend anything remotely classic is possible without rotations.

[arsenalpow]

Spirit of Wolf is the only movement speed buff that is allowed during the FTE race.

Emphasis is mine. It's referring to buffs, like selos or scale of wolf or spirit of cheetah, the word buff is the key. There's nothing regarding alt+tab or lev rings or screen sharing or all the other off the books tactics that are employed.

If nemce's screenshot is legit and this was communicated to A/A then let them get punished. That goes for both of them. Log the date of the nemce screenshot, log the moment A/A were notified, then go through all the fraps and punish accordingly for both of them. They're both using the tactic, mistin's fraps proves as much.

[khanable]

If nemce's screenshot is legit and this was communicated to A/A then let them get punished. That goes for both of them. Log the date of the nemce screenshot, log the moment A/A were notified, then go through all the fraps and punish accordingly for both of them. They're both using the tactic, mistin's fraps proves as much.

This appears to be what happened

[maskedmelon]

Ban jump, force /walk in ToV. Problem solved!

[BallzDeep]

Kool-Aid is strong in this thread. Gotta love all the AM nut-huggers dieing for that suspension and too stupid to realize the inner workings of what both guilds do. Both guilds abuse mechanics. This is common knowledge. If you don't believe this or too stupid to believe this you shouldn't be in a top guild.

[maskedmelon]

Kool-Aid is strong in this thread. Gotta love all the AM nut-huggers dieing for that suspension and too stupid to realize the inner workings of what both guilds do. Both guilds abuse mechanics. This is common knowledge. If you don't believe this or too stupid to believe this you shouldn't be in a top guild.

Pretty deep....

[BallzDeep]

He doesn't have the petition. Actually, the petition was just a request to make this stop on all sides from ALL guilds - Awakened just kept doing it and then finally got caught by staff and then was validated by player fraps. In fact, the petition said specifically "I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, I just want this to stop all around". This followed a conversation Detoxx had with Breaken where they both acknowledged it was happening and Breaken blessed it as fair game.

The problem with Awakened is that they have a "it's not illegal if you don't get caught mentality" and it's been this way since their days as Taken. My best example goes back to Catherin and Auto-Fire, but there are countless examples. I've even spoken to Awakened members that make a case saying that "It doesn't matter if we eat a 10 day suspension - Sirken doesn't delete loot anymore, so we can do whatever we want for an entire raid cycle and then worst case scenario we lose one cycle" - this is actually from a conversation which I had with an old friend of mine and one of their top FTErs.

The mentality trickles down from the leadership to the players, trying to gain the edge at whatever expense. It's no longer about actually getting the mob it's more about the satisfaction of getting away with murder.

If you read this thread, there are no Awakened members criticizing Hijal for using a tactic they knew was manipulative and exploitative, they're simply attacking Aftermath for "Doing it, too". And, that's the problem as it was, as it is, and how it will continue to be.

Are you ever gonna try to stop being relevant? Didn't you have some long post of how you only join a guild to be the best and now no one gives a shit about you?

Your posts are always 1/10.

[Suwu]

And in none of those were alt+tab used. It was only in videos of Hjial. Weirdly you guys only got suspended for one instance of it. When it was evident he did in it almost every race he won based on the videos he posted. Your guild is the scummiest to ever be part of the end game on this server.

you honestly believe that?

[Erati]

This appears to be what happened

Not really :rolleyes:

[Ravager]

Ban jump, force /walk in ToV. Problem solved!
Racers should be required to carry 1,000,000 copper too.

[Raev]

Ella is always fun to read; the problem lies between your keyboard and chair.

[kurtis]

I, for one, would be highly upset if someone by the name of "BallzDeep" criticized my posts.

Highly upset.

[maskedmelon]

Racers should be required to carry 1,000,000 copper too.

You always so full of good ideas.

[khanable]

Not really :rolleyes:

So what are we missing? Fill us in!

All we've seen from the awakened camp is "they do it too!" (which is obvious..)

[Suwu]

Ok you are right I notice that now thanks.

only took 5 pages of you saying the exact opposite, and my previous question was answered, you really don't believe the shit that comes out your own mouth!

[BallzDeep]

I, for one, would be highly upset if someone by the name of "BallzDeep" criticized my posts.

Highly upset.

It's all about content. I don't make stupid posts how I play the game only to join the best and treat people like shit. I don't pretend I'm an amazing rule lawyer in a game that's already stupid enough. It's called Dunning-Kruger. Look it up.

Thanks.

[Juevento]

Racers should be required to carry 1,000,000 copper too.

Well but then you just open a trade window with an NPC and your speed goes back to normal. Too easy.

The real shocker here is that Hyjal has lasted that long in a guild. I thought for sure he'd be on to forming Lord Bob v8.0 by now.

[maskedmelon]

What if we consistently underestimate our own intellect. Is there a fancy two-name label for that?

[khanable]

hyjal dindu nuffin

[nyclin]

AW suspended again.. seems like prime opportunity for Detoxx to really show that AM wants to help the server, by picking targets and only going for those.

[Ella`Ella]

Are you ever gonna try to stop being relevant? Didn't you have some long post of how you only join a guild to be the best and now no one gives a shit about you?

Your posts are always 1/10.

How's that 10 day suspension feel? How about the last one?

That's me being irrelevant.

[Juevento]

Different person. Lets try to at least get the names right if you're going to falsely accuse them of something

Hjial - Bard -

Hyjal - Ench - Lord Bob

I will slander whomever the fuck I please.

[maskedmelon]

AW suspended again.. seems like prime opportunity for Detoxx to really show that AM wants to help the server, by picking targets and only going for those.



Like this?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263098

[maskedmelon]

I will slander whomever the fuck I please.

I would like to encourage you in this ^^

[nyclin]

Like this?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263098

magical

[BallzDeep]

Lol good because I haven't played in over 4ish months, I'm already on self-inducted suspension. I just laugh when I see all the bitter players get upset they aren't getting end game mobs and finally get fed up enough to start petitioning to actually win a mob. As I've always stated there should be tiers to raiding. Anyone capable on the top tiers should be able to do whatever the fuck they want. Anything else and your all just a bunch of bitter crybabies over loot.

[Thulack]

This is something we can all get behind.Even Awakened.

I have never cheated and dont support cheaters. Please go back to RNF where you belong with the rest of the trollers.

Thanks.
__________________
Mikeo Langelo <Awakened>

I just find it funny how everyone just brushed off how Hijal was and let him into the guild. People really expect him to change? Would be like takes Tecmos back and expecting him to not RMT again or Culprit. He is one of the main reasons i didnt want to be in awakened again when i tried to come back. Hopefully Awakened leadership realizes Quality over quantity even if it does mean a few less mobs is better then having douches in the guild that cause things like this and then no one gets loot.

[nyclin]

holy fuck

hjial != hyjal

not that hjial wasn't a massive douche, just saying.

[Bubbles]

I imagine he started a faction war by gathering up a ton of ice burrowers and having them AE Klandicar.

I'd eat an account ban if I could don the Mel Gibson face paint and lead an army of Othmirs against KD in Cobalt Scar. lol.

[Erati]

So what are we missing? Fill us in!

All we've seen from the awakened camp is "they do it too!" (which is obvious..)

What Nemce showed you was his personal Skype convo log he had with Sirken and Braknar. There was never a time,that Sirken pulled aside Detoxx/Break and said to knock it off or there will be problems. Not once.

I am not making an excuse for our actions here, but both As had runners doing it and there was no precedence of suspending an entire guild for individual players 'hacking'. So just like Aftermath's claims of telling runners to 'not do that', the same was said on our side but you can only control people's actions to a certain point.

We are being made example of in hopes to clean up the raid scene racing which is good if anything positive can come out for this. Would I like equal punishment because its a fact that AM has also won races via tab jumping? Sure would, but I am not holding my breath as we do not petition with the same fervor they do despite what their forum trolls make you believe.

[Freakish]

Racers should be required to carry 1,000,000 copper too.

Stop giving away Sontalak strats.

[Juevento]

Extra, extra - shitty guild <Taken> invites shitty people and uses shady tactics to get their pixels.

[maskedmelon]

In the interest of server health perhaps we should consider banning variations of names resembling "hi ya'll" It seems to be plagued with misconduct.

[saujee]

The floors are shakin, my house is breaken, I feel the earthquake wakin

[khanable]

What Nemce showed you was his personal Skype convo log he had with Sirken and Braknar. There was never a time,that Sirken pulled aside Detoxx/Break and said to knock it off or there will be problems. Not once.


Both guilds know this is illegal as sirken has privately talked to them about it and I personally made it public last week:


http://i.imgur.com/rjlmXIa.png

[Vianna]

Not really :rolleyes:

Well Apparently Breaken isn't sharing everything with you.


http://imgur.com/a/uF8HQ

[Hevie]

"12/19"

[Lazie]

Well Apparently Breaken isn't sharing everything with you.


http://imgur.com/a/uF8HQ

Someone get Eratani some burn ointment.

[Lazie]

On another note. Ventani just dropped another Shroud on Takp. Stuff is rotated there and you don't gotta hate your competition.

[Skew]

On another note. Ventani just dropped another Shroud on Takp. Stuff is rotated there and you don't gotta hate your competition.

Youre better than this mate :D Say hi to the Norwegians for me.

[Tune]

zzz come to red

blue was boring for me 4 years ago

[Raev]

Stuff is rotated there and you don't gotta hate your competition.

This is really the worst part about P99. After fighting like dogs for those pixels, everyone hates everyone else.

[Lazie]

Youre better than this mate :D Say hi to the Norwegians for me.

I'm serious. I think if some of the folks here went there they would see how much better it is in the long run. Warders alive. Luclin coming. I loved most of my time on P99. But it has an end date as far as content.

[Tune]

shits poppin on red , mass pvp in fear

dain and king t both dead

crusties officially ALT status

<Apex> crootin

[Lazie]

This is really the worst part about P99. After fighting like dogs for those pixels, everyone hates everyone else.

Yep. Makes you do crazy things you normally wouldn't.

[Erati]

Well Apparently Breaken isn't sharing everything with you.


http://imgur.com/a/uF8HQ

So Detoxx 3 weeks ago brought this up, whats that have to do with Sirken stating the legality of this practice to the top guild leaders and warning punishment should the practice continue once it was brought to light.

You wont find any.

@Cucumbers - I gave you the skinny on a situation and you ignored pretty much everything I wrote. Your ship has sailed for further responses.

[Vianna]

So Detoxx 3 weeks ago brought this up, whats that have to do with Sirken stating the legality of this practice to the top guild leaders and warning punishment should the practice continue once it was brought to light.

You wont find any.

@Cucumbers - I gave you the skinny on a situation and you ignored pretty much everything I wrote. Your ship has sailed for further responses.

Looks like Detoxx tried to fix the situation to make it fair and Breaken just wanted to be argumentative and keep it going. By the tell he posted he has obviously went to Breaken about it quite often to fix the situation.

[Lammy]

ExcuseQuest

[Ella`Ella]

So Detoxx 3 weeks ago brought this up, whats that have to do with Sirken stating the legality of this practice to the top guild leaders and warning punishment should the practice continue once it was brought to light.

You wont find any.

@Cucumbers - I gave you the skinny on a situation and you ignored pretty much everything I wrote. Your ship has sailed for further responses.

Given that conversation, what would your thoughts be on all of this if the entire situation was flipped?

[khanable]

So Detoxx 3 weeks ago brought this up, whats that have to do with Sirken stating the legality of this practice to the top guild leaders and warning punishment should the practice continue once it was brought to light.

You wont find any.

@Cucumbers - I gave you the skinny on a situation and you ignored pretty much everything I wrote. Your ship has sailed for further responses.

simply pointing out your story differs from nemce, which is all the information we had thus far

as for everything else I ignored it because you're wrong if you think you can't police your members on raid rules

just takes a touch of leadership!

[bktroost]

What Nemce showed you was his personal Skype convo log he had with Sirken and Braknar. There was never a time,that Sirken pulled aside Detoxx/Break and said to knock it off or there will be problems. Not once.

I am not making an excuse for our actions here, but both As had runners doing it and there was no precedence of suspending an entire guild for individual players 'hacking'. So just like Aftermath's claims of telling runners to 'not do that', the same was said on our side but you can only control people's actions to a certain point.

We are being made example of in hopes to clean up the raid scene racing which is good if anything positive can come out for this. Would I like equal punishment because its a fact that AM has also won races via tab jumping? Sure would, but I am not holding my breath as we do not petition with the same fervor they do despite what their forum trolls make you believe.


I obviously don't have any idea what Sirken tells you guys. But Eratani, I have about 6 pages of screenshots from the guild leader skype channel of Detoxx and Breaken talking about how this is acknowledged as illegal and how both are doing it. Then, prior to the Vulak issue that got Awakened hit, prior to the petition being sent and prior to the suspension being issued, I sent logs to Awakened leaders that it was illegal as proof and it was announced in server chat that it would not be done by Awakened by their GL (I know its a council).



Either way Awakened will follow the server rules.

as you can see here in the discussion about alt tab jumping.

Both guilds had at least one leadership person who knew that it was illegal to alt tab jump before this weekend's respawn.

[Fasttimes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

[bktroost]

That being said, i do definitely understand that sometimes things dont get communicated down to every member in time. It IS a game. I get that. But if you plant the weed and spend a year growing it illegally you can't get upset because you didn't get rid of it before the cop showed up.

If you do something super crooked for a long period of time there's really little to no sympathy necessary when you get smacked for it.

I wish all communications about hard set rules were posted on raid forums but I don't have the authority to be the mouthpiece of Sirken. I'm not a GM. He seems okay with me asking about clarifications and I'm happy to privately share those with guild leaders but i cannot speak publicly for him unless he tells me i can, a.k.a. like i asked about permission to post that screenshot I shared earlier.

[Tycoon]

Are you a timid little bitch or do you just sound like one?

[nectarprime]

Are you a timid little bitch or do you just sound like one?

Are you a retarded internet tough guy or do you just sound like one?

[Prismaticshop]

Erati is a nice guy

but his guild cheats

should join another guild imo

[khanable]

soooo nemce you do realize we've all been talking about a suspension for an event that occurred on 12/19 right? and you've been stating both guilds knew it was illegal but didn't give a time frame for that until now, ya?

Erati is a nice guy

but his guild cheats

should join another guild imo

he got mixed up with that devils lettuce and now he runs with the wrong crowd

[bktroost]

Erati is a nice guy

but his guild cheats

should join another guild imo



I really like Eratani =-) He's a good dude.

I don't like this Hjial guy or whatever his name is. He's really hurt AW in the long run.

[Pokesan]

TIL being nice to staff means you're "a timid little bitch"