Catherins attempt at lawyering

[Fuddwin]

Does someone need to draw you a Venn diagram illustrating dragons you can and can't attack?

Poor Chest (Variety)

[Ele]

But where's the rule that says you can't attack a dragon that is about to die? What about people from an opposing guild trying to get a faction hit? Is that interference too?

Velious gonna be so much fun!

[sulpher01]

Does someone need to draw you a Venn diagram illustrating dragons you can and can't attack?

Yes plz!

[arsenalpow]

It's the same rule that says you can't attack a dragon with 3 or more people from another guild without it being considered a joint raid. I'm going to ignore the second part of your question.

So surely you have fraps of at least 2 BDA trackers and 2 Taken trackers standing together the moment Nagafen spawned right? Because we all know the mere screenshots or logs aren't enough evidencsce to warrant punishment. I'm sure this evidence was provided during the "hearing" September on the incident that happened in June.

[knix]

So surely you have fraps of at least 2 BDA trackers and 2 Taken trackers standing together the moment Nagafen spawned right? Because we all know the mere screenshots or logs aren't enough evidencsce to warrant punishment. I'm sure this evidence was provided during the "hearing" September on the incident that happened in June.
Do you think that he believes the words that he is typing, Is this the real chest responding, or the imposter just trying to make Chest look like an yokel.

[Ella`Ella]

So surely you have fraps of at least 2 BDA trackers and 2 Taken trackers standing together the moment Nagafen spawned right? Because we all know the mere screenshots or logs aren't enough evidencsce to warrant punishment. I'm sure this evidence was provided during the "hearing" September on the incident that happened in June.

Unbrella doesn't need that shit.

[arsenalpow]

Unbrella doesn't need that shit.

Exactly.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I know I shouldn't, but I can't help it.

Drakakade is representing Divinity very poorly in the raid forum with his willful misrepresentation and bulldog posting.

[mrmop520]

Everyone saying we should remove FFA and do C / R is crazy.

It should be CCR

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Creedence_Clearwater_Revival_Box_Set.jpg

aww yeah!

[Aviann]

Everyone saying we should remove FFA and do C / R is crazy.

It should be CCR

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Creedence_Clearwater_Revival_Box_Set.jpg

aww yeah!

I agree with you.

[Heebo]

http://www.adioslounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ccr.jpg

[Juevento]

CCR is such shitty music.

[Heebo]

CCR is such shitty music.

This is why Class R shouldn't get opinions

[Ravager]

CR
http://grandcolonial.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/crown-royal.jpg

[Aviann]

CCR is such shitty music.

^ Obvious Lil Wayne dick tickler

[Raev]

Loaded up a little CCR. Fuck off Juevento.

P.S. Unbrella, in response to your post in Officer RNF which I cannot reply to, by my math if we get 3 repops per month under the new system we would have 2/7 C, 2/7 R, and 3/7 FFA. That is only 28% of mobs R as opposed to 33%. So I don't understand why the class C guilds would be giving up anything there.

[Derubael]

Exactly.

Don't get trolled, Chest. I was just starting to enjoy our dialogue for once - I think the forum community was enjoying it as well.

Your officer and the Taken officer essentially described the entire situation to us. We'll accept a testimony like that from the party being scrutinized for a violation as hard evidence. So while there may not have been a significant amount of photographic, video, or log-based evidence, the scenario described in as much detail as possible by the officers present matched up with what limited resources we had to review on our end.

Honesty is most definitely the best policy, and your officer did the right thing by not trying to hide anything. We will always be more lenient with people or a group of people who are immediately up-front about a potential violation, be it a mistake or on purpose. I know you guys feel the removal of a Class R Nagafen was too much, but I think it was a light punishment for a light crime, and was our best option at the time - and still would be our best option now.

As a side note, Class R guilds do have compensation to offer Class C guilds during a dispute, but obviously giving up a coveted Class R spawn is a hard hit to guilds who only get a few each month to begin with. Still, in many situations that may be preferable to a GM decision.

[Servellious]

remove FFA change it to class C, since class R guilds dont even go after FFA targets unless its taken doing coth ducking or training everyone in hate.

Better yet sirken and deru should just quit wasting their time on ungrateful pricks and make this the wildwest.

[arsenalpow]

Don't get trolled, Chest. I was just starting to enjoy our dialogue for once - I think the forum community was enjoying it as well.

Your officer and the Taken officer essentially described the entire situation to us. We'll accept a testimony like that from the party being scrutinized for a violation as hard evidence. So while there may not have been a significant amount of photographic, video, or log-based evidence, the scenario described in as much detail as possible by the officers present matched up with what limited resources we had to review on our end.

Honesty is most definitely the best policy, and your officer did the right thing by not trying to hide anything. We will always be more lenient with people or a group of people who are immediately up-front about a potential violation, be it a mistake or on purpose. I know you guys feel the removal of a Class R Nagafen was too much, but I think it was a light punishment for a light crime, and was our best option at the time - and still would be our best option now.

As a side note, Class R guilds do have compensation to offer Class C guilds during a dispute, but obviously giving up a coveted Class R spawn is a hard hit to guilds who only get a few each month to begin with. Still, in many situations that may be preferable to a GM decision.

Sadad (who was the rep) wasn't even at the incident in question and I seriously doubt anyone had records of how many trackers we were using at the time. This was back before coth ducking became the regular plan so I'm pretty sure it was just a random tracker.

It takes a fucking government inquiry to tag TMO or IB with any sort of indiscretion and you threw the book at BDA based on a shoulder shrug and "ya maybe that happened" and had zero actual evidence. That's bullshit. There's no rule on the books saying you can't engage a dragon that someone else is already engaged on (this is relevant for velious faction hits btw) but the punishment was only levied based on an assumed violation.

[Glenzig]

CCR is such shitty music.

All of your opinions have become invalid as of this post.

[Aviann]

All of your opinions have become invalid as of this post.

lol pras

[Ella`Ella]

There's no rule on the books saying you can't engage a dragon that someone else is already engaged on

(this is relevant for velious faction hits btw) but the punishment was only levied based on an assumed violation.

But there is a rule about engaging a dragon that another guild is engaged on, Chest. As I pointed out earlier, if 3 or more members from another guild engage a target with another guild it is considered a joint raid. There was no 'assumed violation' there was an 'apparent violation'. Both words start with the letter "A" but I assure you their meanings are very different and very relevant.

And if you're so concerned with faction hits, buy shruikens or use some non-melee/dmg means.

[Juevento]

Seriously listen to CCR. They are the 60s version of that whiney bitch emo music.

[Raev]

Sadad (who was the rep) wasn't even at the incident in question and I seriously doubt anyone had records of how many trackers we were using at the time. This was back before coth ducking became the regular plan so I'm pretty sure it was just a random tracker

So are you saying that it's possible that Taken and BDA each had one tracker (and thus would have been within the rules regardless) and that TMO did not prove otherwise in their petition with screenshots and such?

[Ella`Ella]

So are you saying that it's possible that Taken and BDA each had one tracker (and thus would have been within the rules regardless) and that TMO did not prove otherwise in their petition with screenshots and such?

I hope that's not what Chest is saying! That would mean the leader of BDA is lying to the public! Both BDA and Taken admitted to having a total of 3 trackers between the two.

[arsenalpow]

So are you saying that it's possible that Taken and BDA each had one tracker (and thus would have been within the rules regardless) and that TMO did not prove otherwise in their petition with screenshots and such?

That would be correct.

[Aviann]

Seriously listen to CCR. They are the 60s version of that whiney bitch emo music.

You obviously only heard one song if you think its whiney bitch emo music. Grow some ball hairs before you step up to a conversation like this, *****.

[Ella`Ella]

That would be correct.

http://i59.tinypic.com/25kn4ug.png

[Juevento]

So are you saying that it's possible that Taken and BDA each had one tracker (and thus would have been within the rules regardless) and that TMO did not prove otherwise in their petition with screenshots and such?

Or tracking from the zone in as we usually do for naggy. Taken for sure had 2 trackers at that engage since they BP healed a warrior for fte until the troops show up.

But none of that is important. Chest what you need to realize is that Sirken and Deru are the problem here. They enable TMO to be TMO. If we had decent GMs around, those sociopaths would have been sent to the red gulag with the other scum to compete their hearts out.

This place is fucked. Come jack some peoples hard earned trade packs in Archeage.

[Ravager]

Seriously listen to CCR. They are the 60s version of that whiney bitch emo music.

Credence Clearwater Revival? I know that song. It's the one that's in all the movies about Vietnam, right?

[knix]

That would be correct.

This Farcical (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/farcical) conversation is so entertaining.

Chest wanting us all to believe that Derubael and Sirken did not treat BDA fairly. That he has revised his own memory of events, so that he (BDA) is completely innocent.

[Aviann]

Credence Clearwater Revival? I know that song. It's the one that's in all the movies about Vietnam, right?

You got it! Before the 90's though, then they switched to Pearl Jam

[Aviann]

http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/3213496.jpg

[Uuruk]

Don't get trolled, Chest. I was just starting to enjoy our dialogue for once - I think the forum community was enjoying it as well.

Your officer and the Taken officer essentially described the entire situation to us. We'll accept a testimony like that from the party being scrutinized for a violation as hard evidence. So while there may not have been a significant amount of photographic, video, or log-based evidence, the scenario described in as much detail as possible by the officers present matched up with what limited resources we had to review on our end.

Honesty is most definitely the best policy, and your officer did the right thing by not trying to hide anything. We will always be more lenient with people or a group of people who are immediately up-front about a potential violation, be it a mistake or on purpose. I know you guys feel the removal of a Class R Nagafen was too much, but I think it was a light punishment for a light crime, and was our best option at the time - and still would be our best option now.

As a side note, Class R guilds do have compensation to offer Class C guilds during a dispute, but obviously giving up a coveted Class R spawn is a hard hit to guilds who only get a few each month to begin with. Still, in many situations that may be preferable to a GM decision.

Well there went 3 or 4 petitions Derubael could have taken care of. Thanks chest.

[Raev]

I hope that's not what Chest is saying! That would mean the leader of BDA is lying to the public! Both BDA and Taken admitted to having a total of 3 trackers between the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[Juryiel]

I know you guys feel the removal of a Class R Nagafen was too much, but I think it was a light punishment for a light crime, and was our best option at the time - and still would be our best option now.

As a side note, Class R guilds do have compensation to offer Class C guilds during a dispute, but obviously giving up a coveted Class R spawn is a hard hit to guilds who only get a few each month to begin with. Still, in many situations that may be preferable to a GM decision.

Not in BDA or involved in that scenario in any way but I'm curious about this. Hypothetically a class R guild could just for one round leave the rotation if they receive such a punishment from the GM. Especially so if the other class R guilds side with them in a dispute involving class C. So which naggy would they then be banned from? Or does a guild messing up mean that everyone in class R is bound to the player-made rotation until that guild's turn on that mob comes up again? I guess I don't know what GMs would do if the guild in question decided to be competitive within class R for a single spawn of said mob, other than ban that guild from ALL naggys until the naggy that would have been their turn, or enforced the class R rotation until said guild served its punishment, both of which seem excessive.

[Ella`Ella]

Why does derubael think class R and class C guilds should be punished differently?

Class C guilds have disputes, forfeit mobs that they may or may not even have gone after.

CLass R guilds do not have disputes with eachother.

When a Class C guild has a violation: dinacarl on orders from umbrella, intentionally trains BDA in fear. clear evidence to support. GMs tell TMO to stay out of fear for 3 days in which an FFA draco spawned.

When a Class R guild has a violation: 16 people from one guild attack a dying dragon for faction hit on a FFA Naggy.

Ftfy

[Aviann]

Why does derubael think class R and class C guilds should be punished differently?

Because the reason why we have this stupid raid stalemate is because what is now known as the class C guilds, or a majority thereof, didn't want to let anyone else have fun.


Not saying that is his opinion, but I could definitely feel the logic behind what would be the answer.

[Heebo]

http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/everything-is-true-8.jpg

Like a shit version of my immaculate sig

[Heebo]

Also - why do you dumb fucks want naggy faction hits?

[Argh]

Why does derubael think class R and class C guilds should be punished differently?

I think his point is that an R guild being suspended for an FFA spawn isn't a real punishment because it is unlikely that the R guild will be successful in getting an FFA mob, whereas a C guild being suspended from an FFA spawn is an actual punishment because they are likely to get that FFA mob as FFA mobs are de facto C mobs at this point.

[Ele]

the fact is that Sirken and Derubael cant be unbiased when dealing with class R and class C disputes.

To start with, when the whole class system was created, Sirken and Derubael tried to put some other system in place, without consulting any guilds other than IB, FE, TMO. R

Rogaen slapped their wrists and made them take it back to the table and to include the rest of the server's guilds in the decision making.

Sirken and Derubael both have ties to the class C guilds personally, wether it be having been in the guild before, currently or formerly having TMO tagged characters, or often chit chatting on the phone or meeting up for drinks with TMO members.

No surprises when things cannot be ruled fairly or equally when TMO is involved.

Speaking of bias, yeesh!

[Alarti0001]

You're fucking delusional.

Quoted for irony.

[Alarti0001]

Or tracking from the zone in as we usually do for naggy. Taken for sure had 2 trackers at that engage since they BP healed a warrior for fte until the troops show up.

But none of that is important. Chest what you need to realize is that Sirken and Deru are the problem here. They enable TMO to be TMO. If we had decent GMs around, those sociopaths would have been sent to the red gulag with the other scum to compete their hearts out.

This place is fucked. Come jack some peoples hard earned trade packs in Archeage.

Actually TMO isn't enabled to be TMO currently. Not for a long while now. Notice the current raid rules.

[Troubled]

Other than the fact that the only evidence they went on was word of mouf rather than the fraps, screenshots, logs, and screenshots of logs that are normally required, and that the punishment didn't fit the crime(ffa dispute causing a mob suspension in R,) I think the ruling was fair.

However, all said and done, I was there and didn't personally think we should have engaged at any % while under another guild's fte.

[Juevento]

Actually TMO isn't enabled to be TMO currently. Not for a long while now. Notice the current raid rules.

Well if I were gm and had some dense as fuck classic autism case like Unbrella send in a petition week after week cause he gives a shit about fucking Nagafen, I'd tell him to fucking stop being a little bitch and sack up and deal with it.

But no, what we have are two GMs who coddle the fuck out of TMO thus enabling them to be thin skinned petty bitches who run off to tell mom and dad over any perceived slight. And somehow they don't even have the balls to tell these ingrates no.

[kotton05]

It'll
Never
Be
C/r
Maybe
C/c/r


Also the divinity poster in raid discussion blows my mind and is very out of touch with what happened, thank you Catherine for that.

[Rais]

Unfortunately Anthrax is right about Sirken and Derubael about dealing with class R and class C raiding guilds. This was crystal clear when they decided to make new raid rules with Unbrella and told everyone else too bad since they demanded too much. Only when it was pointed out to Rogean did that get struck down and rehashed so most of everyone was happy, not just one major guild. Rogean had a vision for the server, and wanted it be better for the majority of guilds. You can even see him state this in his posts.

People are second guessing raid rules and disputes for the since the start of the server. When raid petitions get ignored/dismissed for weeks/months on end ( be it tired of dealing with shit, too busy to watch fraps, read logs and 10k word essay petitions), and people wonder what the hell is going on, people tend to think it's favoritism. Most of those petitions had been against TMO with a close running of FE before the merger. So of course people are going to claim favoritism.

It's the consistency that is the biggest issue. Take this as example

Sirken:

That being said, it is absolutely not ok for trackers to be parked on raid spawn locations.

Doing this, figuratively takes a big old dump on the entire purpose for the Staff telling the players we don’t want them poopsocking the raid spawn locations. We also do not want KoS trackers to be able to get afk FTE’s, as we feel this is more in line with using autofire, than it is in the spirit of the rules set forth, rules that, I will remind you, were all agreed on by the players.


Now it has changed to
Sirken:

listen, essentially we (staff) are saying the same thing. if nothing pops i obviously dont care where people are, because no harm no foul. but if the mob pops and you have trackernerds on the spawn spot, their trackernerd will/should get aggro, and as such they would be breaking the "trackers can't FTE" rule.


I am not agreeing with Taken's guild leader at all. Yet I can understand their view point. One hand Sirken states NO trackers at all on raid spawns(agro range). Now it's it's ok they can be there if nothing is up. Why else would they be there for hours at a time? It isn't to hang out, it's to get FTE with the person they CoH. So no, it isn't no harm no foul, he stated Doing this, figuratively takes a big old dump on the entire purpose for the Staff telling the players we don’t want them poopsocking the raid spawn locations. . The message is mixed and isn't consistent with the posts.

There have been a ton of other raid disputes that have been handled differently and that created animosity. Petitions being ignored for whatever reason is disrespect to the players who are coming to those who are enforcing the rules. Be it being burnt out tired of the same ol, or don't have time to deal with it. At least do a simple response. I know all guilds have had petitions go unanswered at all for months and when I was asked about it, I told those people I had as much information as they did.

This will help communication between players and the staff so when a petition pops up months later it isn't a surprise with no information about it. Also it helps when the main two GMs are on the same page. It is apparent that at times they aren't. Most likely RL has bogged everything down and someone is making a decision to at least respond. The only problem then is, things change when the other person comes back or makes a response.


Respect is a two way street between the players and staff. When people feel they have been jerked around for literally years on the server, they lose respect. I don't blame them being from TMO, IB, BDA, whoever else. Of course there are flat out shitbags in each guild that staff members don't want to deal with for good reasons, I give them a pass on that.

I know Deru and still talk to him. I do think he has the health of the server on his mind and tries his hardest to do so. Just because someone tries, doesn't always make it right. I've fucked up, he's fucked up, Sirken has and even Rogean. The staff are humans, but also need to understand that players come to the server because they make it a hobby and love the server. So they will be as passionate as the staff, as the staff is at defending it and keeping it alive and healthy.

40,000 word rule books, server rules, go to my podcast to find out the answer, and such is just a headache for everyone involved just to understand fully of whats going on. Streamline the process, make shit so simple people can't talk around it and look for ways to twist it to their reasons.
As example: 1 tracker not in agro range at all, can't get FTE.


There are many others that can be changed for the better. Both sides need to have clean slate and put friendships aside work everything out. Then respect can be re-earned from all sides, and maybe every guild won't try and murder each other irl if they ever meet.


tl/dr I had too much coffee for midterms and said respect works both ways.

[Raev]

I don't think anyone is asking for C/R, but C/R with FFA repops. That's totally different.

Speaking entirely for myself, I'd be willing to just do 7 repops a month and fuck all this class shit.

[Man0warr]

Is it not troubling to anyone else that Unbrella has cell phone access to the Lead GM on this server?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Is it not troubling to anyone else that Unbrella has cell phone access to the Lead GM on this server?

Many people have direct text access to the GM's. It's been this way for a long time. Many small time players do as well. They also skype with them all the time including the Monday night podcasts.

[Rais]

Many people have direct text access to the GM's. It's been this way for a long time. Many small time players do as well. They also skype with them all the time including the Monday night podcasts.

They shouldn't. I hated when Amelinda would always tell me soandso would text them and look for attention or someshit. Now skype is around it can make things easier and cause problems. It should only be used by staff members telling 2 guild leaders/officers of a conflict and so things can be hashed out on a call. Anything more shouldn't be. Pod casts sure, I come around and watch them from time to time.

[Ele]

Ex parte communications with the judges! Time for some disbarment.

[Ella`Ella]

Is it not troubling to anyone else that Unbrella has cell phone access to the Lead GM on this server?

Wtf would I need to call him for? We're roommates.

[Alarti0001]

They shouldn't. I hated when Amelinda would always tell me soandso would text them and look for attention or someshit. Now skype is around it can make things easier and cause problems. It should only be used by staff members telling 2 guild leaders/officers of a conflict and so things can be hashed out on a call. Anything more shouldn't be. Pod casts sure, I come around and watch them from time to time.

I hated when a certain GM would give special privileges to girls he was trying to hit on.

[Alarti0001]

Well if I were gm and had some dense as fuck classic autism case like Unbrella send in a petition week after week cause he gives a shit about fucking Nagafen, I'd tell him to fucking stop being a little bitch and sack up and deal with it.

But no, what we have are two GMs who coddle the fuck out of TMO thus enabling them to be thin skinned petty bitches who run off to tell mom and dad over any perceived slight. And somehow they don't even have the balls to tell these ingrates no.

Which server do you live on? LOL casuals are coddled most infractions they make are ignored because those kids are so cute when they try.

Less rules is better imo. Now p99 is about some rule lawyering meta game.

[arsenalpow]

I hated when a certain GM would give special privileges to girls he was trying to hit on.

we're talking about amelinda and tiggles right?

[Alarti0001]

we're talking about amelinda and tiggles right?

Are you calling Amelinda a guy and Tiggles a girl?

[arsenalpow]

Are you calling Amelinda a guy and Tiggles a girl?

ya i guess we can do that

[Aviann]

Wtf would I need to call him for? We're roommates.

I know we don't ever see eye to eye, but I laughed pretty hard lol

[Alarti0001]

ya i guess we can do that

Here's a hint it was an EX BDA gm and it wasn't najdorf.

[Raev]

Are you calling Amelinda a guy and Tiggles a girl?

This is what an RNF alley oop looks like.

[Frogie305]

Lets say the Repop bag limits gets taken away what is stopping TMO/IB coming to an agreement of not touching VP mobs until everything outside of VP is dead. How hard would you cry then ?

[Juevento]

You guys tried that. Then someone backstabbed someone else and that agreement fell apart.

Nice try at trolling random TMO nobody. Maybe RnF isn't quite the place for you.

[Aviann]

Lets say the Repop bag limits gets taken away what is stopping TMO/IB coming to an agreement of not touching VP mobs until everything outside of VP is dead. How hard would you cry then ?

You, sir, are a moron. TMO was one of the main reasons why we had to have this raid agreement in the first place. You all sit there and try to troll in RnF like you own the world, but anyone who has been here over a year knows exactly what happened because they were forced to play under these rules because the neckbeards of your guild couldn't handle seeing someone else kill a big name for once.

Again, you all sit here talking about shit that happened in June as if it were another holocaust, when it was a guild trying to help another guild get something done(something you would have never done). NEWS FLASH, it was in fucking June.

We can always talk about turncoats too. Nobody proud enough to actually uphold their old guild names because the only way they can go anywhere before the raid agreement was if they joined the horde TMO.

I respect the few that have been with TMO for a long time, at least they didn't jump ship when things weren't going their way.

It is truly sad to see the state of affairs that you had to thrust the rest of the server into, and I wouldn't blame any GM for giving you harder punishments in comparison to a lower class raiding guild.

[Alarti0001]

You, sir, are a moron. TMO was one of the main reasons why we had to have this raid agreement in the first place. You all sit there and try to troll in RnF like you own the world, but anyone who has been here over a year knows exactly what happened because they were forced to play under these rules because the neckbeards of your guild couldn't handle seeing someone else kill a big name for once.

Again, you all sit here talking about shit that happened in June as if it were another holocaust, when it was a guild trying to help another guild get something done(something you would have never done). NEWS FLASH, it was in fucking June.

We can always talk about turncoats too. Nobody proud enough to actually uphold their old guild names because the only way they can go anywhere before the raid agreement was if they joined the horde TMO.

I respect the few that have been with TMO for a long time, at least they didn't jump ship when things weren't going their way.

It is truly sad to see the state of affairs that you had to thrust the rest of the server into, and I wouldn't blame any GM for giving you harder punishments in comparison to a lower class raiding guild.

You seem confused. Why was it necessary for you to have a raid agreement. You didn't HAVE to get anything. You are awfully entitled to think you deserve something you weren't willing to fight for.

So once that mindset is corrected you can kind of see how your entire post is just mindless drivel.

[Atalya]

Catherin is a dumb cunt.

i've said this many times

[Frogie305]

You, sir, are a moron. TMO was one of the main reasons why we had to have this raid agreement in the first place. You all sit there and try to troll in RnF like you own the world, but anyone who has been here over a year knows exactly what happened because they were forced to play under these rules because the neckbeards of your guild couldn't handle seeing someone else kill a big name for once.

Again, you all sit here talking about shit that happened in June as if it were another holocaust, when it was a guild trying to help another guild get something done(something you would have never done). NEWS FLASH, it was in fucking June.

We can always talk about turncoats too. Nobody proud enough to actually uphold their old guild names because the only way they can go anywhere before the raid agreement was if they joined the horde TMO.

I respect the few that have been with TMO for a long time, at least they didn't jump ship when things weren't going their way.

It is truly sad to see the state of affairs that you had to thrust the rest of the server into, and I wouldn't blame any GM for giving you harder punishments in comparison to a lower class raiding guild.
Well i guess you are one of those that put sole blame on TMO. But then again who doesn't blame the big bad wolf? In the End When guilds wanted we lost targets even in the so called cock block days. And the reference to people leaving well hey, sometimes you need a change to keep on enjoying the game. And this nobody has been a solid member for two and half years maybe a little more but than again i am on hiatus.


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Jimmies-Maximum-Over-Rustled-Meme-Gif.gif

[Misto]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wk9ivd2HiFE/U4L8ZKIY1nI/AAAAAAAABrk/Z4l_Nc07xCU/s1600/BojFq2HIMAAWJ0F.png

[Troubled]

You seem confused. Why was it necessary for you to have a raid agreement. You didn't HAVE to get anything. You are awfully entitled to think you deserve something you weren't willing to fight for.

So once that mindset is corrected you can kind of see how your entire post is just mindless drivel.

The new TMO, everyone.

[Troubled]

I would have to say same ole TMO actually. Fucking casuals =p

http://cdn.thesandtrap.com/4/46/452x339px-LL-467bf409_thats_the_joke.jpeg

[Troubled]

Too casual to have time to img correctly.

[Alarti0001]

The new TMO, everyone.

Huh?

[Troubled]

Huh?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/390/pC8jf5t4eWCDKcMu.jpg

[Ravager]

Why is Alarti back? Did he get trolled off some other forum for starting his posts with 'Actually' and ending them with 'Prove it.'?

[Alarti0001]

derp

Want to add some substance to your statement?

[Alarti0001]

Why is Alarti back? Did he get trolled off some other forum for starting his posts with 'Actually' and ending them with 'Prove it.'?

Who is this kid? Mind your manners when addressing your betters.

[Lazie]

Oh man between Juevento and Man0warr this thread has turned into a case study of delusional conspiracy theorists.

[quido]

Juevento has a 2-digit IQ

[Lazie]

= Dincarl trains, anyone? PLENTY of evidence submitted on that one.

Listen, I'm not a huge vocal "fuck TMO" guy - I do not agree with many views that much of your guild has, but that doesn't mean they are of less value than my personal views, or for that matter Chest's views.

Chest feels disrespected by Sirken because he was told an issue was handled, closed, done - and then BDA was punished postmortem for it. In that specific instance, it was like the left hand didn't know what the right hand had already done.

Chest and Derubael aren't peas-n-carrots like Forrest and Jenny - it's known. So the fact that Derub was driving the "investigation" only added fuel to that fire. The fact that the GM's RECOGNIZED THE CLASS R ROTATION and leveraged a penalty against our Class R assigned mob, when the determined "infraction" was on an FFA spawn, has a greater impact than TMO or IB determining they will "sit one out".

We took the punishment, begrudgingly, and still feel it wasn't valid in the first place, as well as wasn't reasonable to have it applied to the PLAYER MADE AGREEMENT that is the Class R rotation.

We like the Kool-Aid, we have a ton of interaction both inside and outside the guild. We play other games together, we have RL get togethers and get drunk and badmouth TMO face to face because of the Kool-Aid. All in all, we're a hate-filled machine full of Anti-TMO mongers. Is that the answer you're looking for?

I got no problem with you Anichek. You seem like a chill dude. But the Dinacarl train was an overreaction by a player that was instigated by the actions of Chest calling a AE in a zone that was already being cleared by 2 other guilds. Nothing that happened in fear that day is anything anyone should be proud of or point to as a way to act or react. Both sides played a part in what transpired. IF you don't think Chest knew he was instigating people that day by his actions you are kinda blind.

Chest first telling his guild to zone in and AE a zone that was already being cleared and Dinacarl training was 2 poor actions that does nothing to promote the health of this server. Dinacarl got punished for his actions that day. While Chest faced no repercussions and got to add something he instigated to his grudge bank.

[chief]

chest is still talking about a naggy from 6 months ago? yikes the nerdrage is real

[quido]

Chest is a dumb cunt too.

[Uuruk]

Chest is a dumb cunt too.

oh jeremy

[Ravager]

Who is this kid? Mind your manners when addressing your betters.

The smug is strong with this one.

[Lazie]

Chest (and other class R Leaders) don't want to get rid of the FFA spawn (except for repops/sim repops) because it will get Class R slightly more loot (~17%). They want to get rid of it so that Class R and Class C never have to interact at all.

How many petitions and RNF drama would be curtailed if Class R and Class C never had to fight over mobs? You guys have your spawns and all of VP, and Class R has theirs. It's such a huge boon to the GM staff I can't believe they haven't considered it at this point.

Class C doesn't want to get rid of FFA because it's 17% more loot to Class R (actually less than that as Class R gets some percentage of FFA pops). That and maybe they secretly like fucking over Class R guilds, causing drama, and RNFing.

Why create a server that makes people interact less ? This is Everquest. You always had to deal with everyone on a server. IF certain people find it hard to interact with others then they should send someone from their guild who doesn't have that same problem.

As for restricting loot and fucking over Class R...Don't listen to what other people say. IF a Class C minded guild wanted to screw Class R over it wouldn't be hard to do. It's been 10 months if you guys can't seriously see no one is trying to screw you over I dunno what to say to you. Eventually you are going to realize the only thing that restricts anyone on this server is themselves. It's a very easy raid scene to get in either via Class R or Class C. Honestly it doesn't need a big change right now either. It needs people having cooler heads and not holding grudges. Because it's working and has been working for almost a year.

[Troubled]

Want to add some substance to your statement?

Was a reference to the rebranding of TMO. How often we hear that people look at the old TMO when they hate the "new" TMO, yet the new TMO is built from the same stock as it always was.

Never expected or cared about the mentality to change at all, just think it's funny that some people try to push forward the friendly face that doesn't really exist.

[quido]

TMO is way more cooperative than BDA and their defensive "I've been getting fucked on this server for 5 years" attitude.

[Aviann]

TMO is way more cooperative than BDA and their defensive "I've been getting fucked on this server for 5 years" attitude.

Apparently not as cooperative as BDA towards other guilds considering you all play the same repeated lines of "BDA SHOULD GET FUSSED FOR HELPING OTHER GUILDS"

There wouldn't be so many people pissed at TMO if it wasn't because TMO fucked them over.

[quido]

what the fuck are you talking about ya moran

[Troubled]

TMO is way more cooperative than BDA and their defensive "I've been getting fucked on this server for 5 years" attitude.

u da real mvp

[Aviann]

what the fuck are you talking about ya moran

Ironically, there is this place nearby called Moran's Marina. I never go there.

[Ravager]

TMO is way more cooperative than BDA and their defensive "I've been getting fucked on this server for 5 years" attitude.

A perfect example is that one time BDA was raid suspended for two weeks a couple years ago before the raid changes, TMO stepped up and opened up all the raid content for all of the guilds to enjoy.

[quido]

BDA is fine with sharing as long as they get the lion's share.

A difference of philosophy.

[Ravager]

BDA is fine with sharing as long as they get the lion's share.

A difference of philosophy.

Jeremy Ironsy.

[Aviann]

BDA is fine with sharing as long as they get the lion's share.

A difference of philosophy.

To be honest, BDA only gained allies in friendship by helping other people and guilds. Maybe it won't help them, maybe it will. You aren't the one to decide that.

[Aadill]

With the TMO tag I was going to be charged 100pp for a port.

Without it they were all 30pp.

Class R guilds screwing Class C guilds through and through.

[Alarti0001]

Was a reference to the rebranding of TMO. How often we hear that people look at the old TMO when they hate the "new" TMO, yet the new TMO is built from the same stock as it always was.

Never expected or cared about the mentality to change at all, just think it's funny that some people try to push forward the friendly face that doesn't really exist.

TMO has always been friendly even to idiots like you :)

[Alarti0001]

A perfect example is that one time BDA was raid suspended for two weeks a couple years ago before the raid changes, TMO stepped up and opened up all the raid content for all of the guilds to enjoy.

Remember all those weeks that TMO gave away mobs, even provided resist gear and dps for some guild who couldnt kill the dragons?

Oh ya... thats behind your mental block.

[Troubled]

TMO has always been friendly even to idiots like you :)

prove it

[khanable]

Remember all those weeks that TMO gave away mobs, even provided resist gear and dps for some guild who couldnt kill the dragons?

Oh ya... thats behind your mental block.

wasn't the community all like HEY FUCK YOUR SCRAPS YOU FAT CATS and eventually that program came to an end?

casualism, the cause of, and cure to, the p99 raid scene

[Alarti0001]

prove it

When are you going to show your "friendly face" BDA officer?

[Alarti0001]

wasn't the community all like HEY FUCK YOUR SCRAPS YOU FAT CATS and eventually that program came to an end?

casualism, the cause of, and cure to, the p99 raid scene

Pretty much we gave weeks of dragons and they just wanted more and shat on us for not giving up 100% of what they wanted... OH WAIT thats exactly what is happening in Raid Discussion right now !

[Troubled]

Most of my posts are shots at my own guild. I don't really dislike most guilds or people.

[Alarti0001]

Most of my posts are shots at my own guild. I don't really dislike most guilds or people.

I Believe you!!!!!

[Anichek]

When are you going to show your "friendly face" BDA officer?

Cucumbers retired.

[Clark]

You seem confused. Why was it necessary for you to have a raid agreement. You didn't HAVE to get anything. You are awfully entitled to think you deserve something you weren't willing to fight for.

So once that mindset is corrected you can kind of see how your entire post is just mindless drivel.

[Ravager]

Remember all those weeks that TMO gave away mobs, even provided resist gear and dps for some guild who couldnt kill the dragons?

Oh ya... thats behind your mental block.

I do remember that, one outdoor dragon a week for three weeks, given to select guilds that couldn't kill it themselves. So generous. BDA shared way more than that in the two weeks TMO was suspended, the whole time TMO was talking about how they would shit over the server even harder once their suspension was up.

[Ravager]

Pretty much we gave weeks of dragons and they just wanted more and shat on us for not giving up 100% of what they wanted... OH WAIT thats exactly what is happening in Raid Discussion right now !

Except TMO isn't giving anyone anything, since Rogan made it pretty clear they're his mobs to give out, you self entitled fuck. 3-4 simulated repops a month means everyone is getting more mobs than they did before, so what exactly is it you're 'giving' us?

[Swish]

Except TMO isn't giving anyone anything, since Rogan made it pretty clear they're his mobs to give out, you self entitled fuck. 3-4 simulated repops a month means everyone is getting more mobs than they did before, so what exactly is it you're 'giving' us?

The state of the blue raiding scene, quite toxic...isnt it?

[SyanideGas]

I do remember that, one outdoor dragon a week for three weeks, given to select guilds that couldn't kill it themselves. So generous. BDA shared way more than that in the two weeks TMO was suspended, the whole time TMO was talking about how they would shit over the server even harder once their suspension was up.

They gave out maybe 4 dragons total? Pretty much the ones nobody really cares about.

[Ravager]

They gave out maybe 4 dragons total? Pretty much the ones nobody really cares about.

They gave out a Talendor, a Gore and a Sev if I remember right, and I'm sure Sev only made the list because they had a dozen green scales banked, or they claimed the scale for themselves in the event it dropped, cuz warriors couldn't be spiced on this server unless they paid 300k or sold out to the machine.

[Ravager]

*spiced dumb tablet autocorrect

[kotton05]

But it's still never enough...

[Ravager]

But it's still never enough...

Swing and a miss.

[kotton05]

Swing and a miss.

Na that was a double up the middle

[BurgyK]

Yall mafakas need cheesus

[arsenalpow]

They gave out maybe 4 dragons total? Pretty much the ones nobody really cares about.

They "gave out" 5 dragons total. Gore x2, Tal x2, and Sev x1. It started near the beginning of April 2012 and the last one was like June/July 2012. So 4 trash kills, and 1 potentially relevant kill (assuming green scale dropped) across a 90 day stretch. So generous, much benevolent, very wow.

The gore one was especially funny because there was at least one kill of her with like 4 guilds combined, and one where we just got her (if I'm remembering correctly)

[Ella`Ella]

They "gave out" 5 dragons total. Gore x2, Tal x2, and Sev x1. It started near the beginning of April 2012 and the last one was like June/July 2012. So 4 trash kills, and 1 potentially relevant kill (assuming green scale dropped) across a 90 day stretch. So generous, much benevolent, very wow.

The gore one was especially funny because there was at least one kill of her with like 4 guilds combined, and one where we just got her (if I'm remembering correctly)

I thought it wasn't about loot, Chest. I thought you just wanted to kill dragons?

[arsenalpow]

In comparison you can read this old thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76871&highlight=Sanluen) that BDA leadership posted when TMO had to take a two week vacation.

It's also fun to read because you get to see where we at BDA have been beating the same drum of server raid reform for years and you also get to see the names of people calling out TMO that have since joined TMO.

[arsenalpow]

I thought it wasn't about loot, Chest. I thought you just wanted to kill dragons?

So obviously killing any dragon should satiate my lust for slaying large reptiles irrespective of the potential loot to gain?

[Cecily]

Pretty much. Otherwise, you're basically us.

[Man0warr]

We all want pixels, some people will just do anything to get them.

[Ella`Ella]

We all want pixels, some people will just do anything to get them.

And others don't want to do anything to get them =P

[Cecily]

What I'm currently doing.

[Man0warr]

The only people that work for pixels are that sad sacks who have to track/coth duck.

[BurgyK]

So basically taken?

[khanable]

So 4 trash kills, and 1 potentially relevant kill (assuming green scale dropped) across a 90 day stretch. So generous, much benevolent, very wow.

isn't that what we get now with the rotation

[Heebo]

isn't that what we get now with the rotation

heh

[Ella`Ella]

isn't that what we get now with the rotation

You know, when we were settling the dispute over Nagafen, I told Sadad and GMs that I would drop the issue in exchange for Cucumbers to join me as member. The offer was declined =(.

[Nirgon]

On second thought please scare the GMs back to red from blue.

[Jfertal]

You know, when we were settling the dispute over Nagafen, I told Sadad and GMs that I would drop the issue in exchange for Cucumbers to join me as member. The offer was declined =(.

Back off Nate, this is my bitch.

[Juevento]

You know, when we were settling the dispute over Nagafen, I told Sadad and GMs that I would drop the issue in exchange for Cucumbers to join me as member. The offer was declined =(.

Holy shit, you really do have the autism.

[Detoxx]

In comparison you can read this old thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76871&highlight=Sanluen) that BDA leadership posted when TMO had to take a two week vacation.

It's also fun to read because you get to see where we at BDA have been beating the same drum of server raid reform for years and you also get to see the names of people calling out TMO that have since joined TMO.

So basically you gave out a cpl mobs that were every other while keeping some of the best loot to yourselves (guts, teeth, rng, wiz, dru epics)

Very noble

[Eponymous Anonymous]

So basically you gave out a cpl mobs that were every other while keeping some of the best loot to yourselves (guts, teeth, rng, wiz, dru epics)

Very noble

Is English your native language? (srs question)

[Detoxx]

Is English your native language? (srs question)

Who are you?

[Lazie]

isn't that what we get now with the rotation

I like you. App TMO!

[Arteker]

They "gave out" 5 dragons total. Gore x2, Tal x2, and Sev x1. It started near the beginning of April 2012 and the last one was like June/July 2012. So 4 trash kills, and 1 potentially relevant kill (assuming green scale dropped) across a 90 day stretch. So generous, much benevolent, very wow.

The gore one was especially funny because there was at least one kill of her with like 4 guilds combined, and one where we just got her (if I'm remembering correctly)

with alarti himself helping out his old guild bda :)

[Duckwalk]

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"No you can't play with it, you won't appreciate it on as many levels as I do"

Monopolization of/preventing access to 15 year old content because people don't want to play the same way you are is dumb.

[Duckwalk]

http://www.baka-raptor.com/Plagiarism/frink.jpg

[Duckwalk]

iPhone forumquesting is hard.

[Xerxes]

black headband o7

[Faron]

Who are you?

I love these smug replies from people who think that their post count, their guild tag, their character, or their pixels make them a "somebody" in a fucking video game.

[arsenalpow]

also, I think divinity was challenging taken to one of those talendor kills and tmo decided divinity didn't need it and plowed it over for taken.

You can do a forum search on "endangered" and all 5 threads are in there to figure our exactly what happened because I sure as shit don't remember the exact way each one ended.

[Lictor]

I love these smug replies from people who think that their post count, their guild tag, their character, or their pixels make them a "somebody" in a fucking video game.

Casual scum

[Faron]

Casual scum

ikr

[Duckwalk]

I wish I could see the /played on some of these fire giants.

[Alarti0001]

I do remember that, one outdoor dragon a week for three weeks, given to select guilds that couldn't kill it themselves. So generous. BDA shared way more than that in the two weeks TMO was suspended, the whole time TMO was talking about how they would shit over the server even harder once their suspension was up.

You might want to check up on that.. there were 2 phases of giveaways.. 4 isn't the correct number.

[Alarti0001]

Except TMO isn't giving anyone anything, since Rogan made it pretty clear they're his mobs to give out, you self entitled fuck. 3-4 simulated repops a month means everyone is getting more mobs than they did before, so what exactly is it you're 'giving' us?

Lol the irony of you calling someone entitled. Also, you mad?

[Aviann]

Lol the irony of you calling someone entitled. Also, you mad?

The irony of you trying to make yourself look better by bringing shit up from 2 years ago.

[Aviann]

And I forgot to add the best part, you failed hard.

[Alarti0001]

The irony of you trying to make yourself look better by bringing shit up from 2 years ago.

You need to learn what irony is. Simple fact is given the chance TMO provided for you kids. And you bit the hand that feeds.
Not really a debatable concept here.

[Whirled]

It'll
Never
Be
C/r
Maybe
C/c/r


Also the divinity poster in raid discussion blows my mind and is very out of touch with what happened, thank you Catherine for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plj82F4kY7o
:D

[arsenalpow]

You need to learn what irony is. Simple fact is given the chance TMO provided for you kids. And you bit the hand that feeds.
Not really a debatable concept here.

Not really. VD mobilized for targets and you either outright killed them or propped up Taken to do it. I just did some reading to brush up on my history from 2012.

[Aviann]

You need to learn what irony is. Simple fact is given the chance TMO provided for you kids. And you bit the hand that feeds.
Not really a debatable concept here.

You are a fool if you actually believe what your telling yourself. TMO did fuck all for the rest of the server, in fact it got so bad, we were all temporarily raid suspended until we figured out a new alternative to the raid scene. If you'd have let anyone else have a chance at anything, we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in now.

If you want to throw the word 'fact' around, you may as well make sure that what your saying is indeed 'fact', otherwise your useless banter will continue to be equivalent to what you just typed in the quote above.

[Alarti0001]

Not really. VD mobilized for targets and you either outright killed them or propped up Taken to do it. I just did some reading to brush up on my history from 2012.

We also propped up BDA and Divinity. Lies by omission Chest.... your specialty

[arsenalpow]

We also propped up BDA and Divinity. Lies by omission Chest.... your specialty

How you figure?

[Alarti0001]

You are a fool if you actually believe what your telling yourself. TMO did fuck all for the rest of the server, in fact it got so bad, we were all temporarily raid suspended until we figured out a new alternative to the raid scene. If you'd have let anyone else have a chance at anything, we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in now.

If you want to throw the word 'fact' around, you may as well make sure that what your saying is indeed 'fact', otherwise your useless banter will continue to be equivalent to what you just typed in the quote above.

It is a fact. TMO did provide content for you. The casual guilds did complain and bitch in the manner that we provided. This isn't debatable. Please tell me how this isn't true?

The raid suspension doesn't prove that TMO was fucking over the server at all. You need to learn how to apply evidence to your theory. All the suspension proves is that Rogean wanted a change. "You are a fool". You are working with really flawed logic right now. Your if then constructs are providing only 1 possible route to your conclusion. Here is an idea also an example of bad logic, "If Casual didn't gripe so much about the endangered dragon list, they would have received even more dragons and better targets. We had posts that were supported by Zeelot to up the amount of kills a week and to start putting in VS and Trakanon.

I understand you are really enraged right now... but take a breather and think(this is of course assuming you are capable of rational thought).

[Duckwalk]

You need to learn what irony is. Simple fact is given the chance TMO provided for you kids. And you bit the hand that feeds.
Not really a debatable concept here.

Simple fact, if TMO was actively denying access/monopolizing content to a free, emulated version of a 15 year old game... they wouldn't need to "provide for you kids".

But please continue to call other people children when TMO is incapable of sharing. #irony

Altari, the biggest clown on TMO spin squad.

[Alarti0001]

How you figure?

Because TMO have out resist gear for BDA and Divinity to use on a few dragons they attempted. I myself gave out a set of resist gear.

Also, you constantly only tell half-truths... but you are right speciality implies a certain ability to get away with it. Maybe modus operandi applies to your more accurately.

[Alarti0001]

Simple fact, if TMO was actively denying access/monopolizing content to a free, emulated version of a 15 year old game... they wouldn't need to "provide for you kids".

But please continue to call other people children when TMO is incapable of sharing. #irony

Altari, the biggest clown on TMO spin squad.


So everytime a mob is killed it is technically denied from someone else. So basically if TMO didn't raid mobs.... everyone else could deny others? Are you fucking crazy?

[arsenalpow]

Because TMO have out resist gear for BDA and Divinity to use on a few dragons they attempted. I myself gave out a set of resist gear.

Also, you constantly only tell half-truths... but you are right speciality implies a certain ability to get away with it. Maybe modus operandi applies to your more accurately.

Prove it? I've brainwashed my guild pretty good, I'm going to call bullshit on accepting resist gear from you or your ilk.

[Aviann]

But please continue to call other people children when TMO is incapable of sharing. #irony

Altari, the biggest clown on TMO spin squad.

qft.

Let him continue living in his dream world, karma will bite him in the ass eventually. No point in arguing with an idiot.

[chief]

blue99 is pretty much WoW now.

[Aviann]

blue99 is pretty much WoW now.

Ok

[Duckwalk]

So everytime a mob is killed it is technically denied from someone else. So basically if TMO didn't raid mobs.... everyone else could deny others? Are you fucking crazy?

TMO is clearly denying the rest of the server when they are gearing out their 5th? 6th alt and camping them at a zone line to further their stranglehold on ther server, when they are RMTing those pixels same pixels, and when they have been actively engaged in this activity for 3+ years.

Altari so delusional he can't see that TMO is the biggest strongest kid on the playground who has been hogging the swings for 3+ years.

It's a free game intended to be enjoyed by all not monopolized for cash by a tiny majority. Grow up clown.

[Duckwalk]

Minority *

[Alarti0001]

qft.

Let him continue living in his dream world, karma will bite him in the ass eventually. No point in arguing with an idiot.

So you are calling me an idiot.. when you are the one making unsubstantiated claims? OK!

[Alarti0001]

TMO is clearly denying the rest of the server when they are gearing out their 5th? 6th alt and camping them at a zone line to further their stranglehold on ther server, when they are RMTing those pixels same pixels, and when they have been actively engaged in this activity for 3+ years.

Altari so delusional he can't see that TMO is the biggest strongest kid on the playground who has been hogging the swings for 3+ years.

It's a free game intended to be enjoyed by all not monopolized for cash by a tiny majority. Grow up clown.

At that point in time it was a free game intended to be enjoyed. No one said it was a raid game. Speaking of fuck all of you clerics/warriors/monk monopolizing all the groups. I think Wizards should be paid reparations. (this is basically your argument).

[Alarti0001]

Prove it? I've brainwashed my guild pretty good, I'm going to call bullshit on accepting resist gear from you or your ilk.

So you are saying BDA didn't attempt Gorenaire at least during this time?

[Aviann]

So you are calling me an idiot.. when you are the one making unsubstantiated claims? OK!

Nobody has to call you an idiot to know you are one, they can just read your posts.

[arsenalpow]

So you are saying BDA didn't attempt Gorenaire at least during this time?

Sure we attempted Gore. We didn't accept any resist gear, that's the point I just made.

When I said propping up Taken it means that Taken had 2-3 groups and TMO did the heavy lifting / heavy healing with 3 groups to allow Taken to get the kill to spite VD. How are you this dense?

[kotton05]

Still see no one proving alarti wrong. It's the whole give an inch they wanna take a mile thing

[Ravager]

So you are calling me an idiot.. when you are the one making unsubstantiated claims? OK!

You're an idiot regardless.

[Duckwalk]

At that point in time it was a free game intended to be enjoyed. No one said it was a raid game. Speaking of fuck all of you clerics/warriors/monk monopolizing all the groups. I think Wizards should be paid reparations. (this is basically your argument).

Clearly not my argument but I shouldn't be surprise, arguing with Altari is like playing chess with a pigeon...

Continue to deny TMO isn't the fat kid at GameStop refusing to let anyone else play the free demo because they got up early and got there first!!

[quido]

Instead of people being allowed to do what they want on P99, they should all be doing what it is Chest wants.

[Ravager]

Still see no one proving alarti wrong. It's the whole give an inch they wanna take a mile thing

What's the case he's trying to make? That TMO gave away 5 dragons over 3 months to guilds of their choosing and that the rest of the server are ingrates for not thinking TMO was so kind and generous for it?

[Aviann]

Still see no one proving alarti wrong. It's the whole give an inch they wanna take a mile thing

He has no point to prove wrong, and if it were about TMO helping the server, anyone who has played on this server in the past 4 years already knows he's full of shit.

[kotton05]

What's the case he's trying to make? That TMO gave away 5 dragons over 3 months to guilds of their choosing and that the rest of the server are ingrates for not thinking TMO was so kind and generous for it?

They didn't have to do it. They did it and was met with criticism. How would that make you feel?

[Duckwalk]

They didn't have to do it. They did it and was met with criticism. How would that make you feel?

Maybe like I was being a stingy bastard after farming the same content for more than three years. And a little sad that I had wasted so much of my life staring a walls and waiting on spawn timers for a free to play emulated version of a 15 year old game.

[Aviann]

They didn't have to do it. They did it and was met with criticism. How would that make you feel?

That was two years ago and they've not done anything remotely nice again since then besides letting a bunch of turncoats into their guild. You used to be against them, and when shit didn't go your way, you joined them. How does that make you feel?

[Alarti0001]

He has no point to prove wrong, and if it were about TMO helping the server, anyone who has played on this server in the past 4 years already knows he's full of shit.

How am I full of shit. Your entire argument is based on name calling and some personal slight you feel. I have substance.. you have angst.
(don't even need to go into the obvious logical fallacy in bold)

[Alarti0001]

He has no point to prove wrong, and if it were about TMO helping the server, anyone who has played on this server in the past 4 years already knows he's full of shit.

I actually do have a point for you to prove wrong. However, my posts mainly just prove you wrong. (it wasn't even hard)

[Aviann]

How am I full of shit. Your entire argument is based on name calling and some personal slight you feel. I have substance.. you have angst.
(don't even need to go into the obvious logical fallacy in bold)

My entire argument is that TMO hasn't done fuck all for this server in terms of making the community less toxic, they only strengthened the toxicity. Prove me wrong.

[Lictor]

They didn't have to do it. They did it and was met with criticism. How would that make you feel?

Your blind defense of all things TMO now have you defending actions you have no personal knowledge of? Makes sense.

[Duckwalk]

Your blind defense of all things TMO now have you defending actions you have no personal knowledge of? Makes sense.

Yeah wasn't that fire giant in Full Circle two years ago? What a fucking clown.

[Hailto]

My entire argument is that TMO hasn't done fuck all for this server in terms of making the community less toxic, they only strengthened the toxicity. Prove me wrong.

I can't really think of any guild that has done a ton of stuff to "make the community less toxic". All guilds have different goals and play styles. You want VP loot? Put in the time like the rest of the people who want it enough to sacrifice for it. I did it for awhile, now I don't have the time to do it, that doesn't mean im still entitled to it. Grow up.

[Hailto]

Yeah wasn't that fire giant in Full Circle two years ago? What a fucking clown.

Wait you're telling me someone was in another guild TWO YEARS AGO?! Alert the press. You retarded bro?

[Aviann]

I can't really think of any guild that has done a ton of stuff to "make the community less toxic". All guilds have different goals and play styles. You want VP loot? Put in the time like the rest of the people who want it enough to sacrifice for it. I did it for awhile, now I don't have the time to do it, that doesn't mean im still entitled to it. Grow up.

I can give a fuck less about VP gear. As long as the space between TMO and myself is there, I am happy. The best part about our raid agreement now is that nobody, except the ones that choose to, has to deal with your guild.

[arsenalpow]

Wait you're telling me someone was in another guild TWO YEARS AGO?! Alert the press. You retarded bro?

Same guild checking in.

[mrmop520]

Wait you're telling me someone was in another guild TWO YEARS AGO?! Alert the press. You retarded bro?

I think that guy still owes me a WC cap b/c he didn't have one at the end of a hate raid... two years ago ;)

[Cecily]

My entire argument is that TMO hasn't done fuck all for this server in terms of making the community less toxic, they only strengthened the toxicity. Prove me wrong.

Guilds just do their own thing for the most part. TMO's thing stepped on alot of toes for a long time. That's why, 10 months after we've had virtually interaction in game with class R, your knee jerk post is STILL to flame TMO on being Satan. Just keep in mind that Hell was also a class system designed to separate play styles.

[Hailto]

Same guild checking in.

Yep, I recruited Merkk to FC years ago. I had a lot of fun in that guild, then I realized I wanted to raid so I did what I needed to to make it happen. You prefer to forum quest to get your pixels.

[Aviann]

Guilds just do their own thing for the most part. TMO's thing stepped on alot of toes for a long time. That's why, 10 months after we've had virtually interaction in game with class R, your knee jerk post is STILL to flame TMO on being Satan. Just keep in mind that Hell was also a class system designed to separate play styles.

It makes it easy to knee jerk the same responses when TMO is still doing the same thing they were before, pointing their fingers and crying because they couldn't step on someone's toes.

[Duckwalk]

I can't really think of any guild that has done a ton of stuff to "make the community less toxic". All guilds have different goals and play styles. You want VP loot? Put in the time like the rest of the people who want it enough to sacrifice for it. I did it for awhile, now I don't have the time to do it, that doesn't mean im still entitled to it. Grow up.

The only reason people have to "put in the time" is because of a small minority of greedy children RMTing or gearing characters to further that end.

You TOTALLY see this same behavior in games that arnt as easily manipulated for personal profit...oh wait no you don't. People gear out a character or two then get bored and move on instead of farming the exact same content for multiple years.

[Duckwalk]

Wait you're telling me someone was in another guild TWO YEARS AGO?! Alert the press. You retarded bro?

Are you retarded? He defending the actions of TMO while he was in a guild that was directly getting shit on by them.

[Hailto]

The only reason people have to "put in the time" is because of a small minority of greedy children RMTing or gearing characters to further that end.

You TOTALLY see this same behavior in games that arnt as easily manipulated for personal profit...oh wait no you don't. People gear out a character or two then get bored and move on instead of farming the exact same content for multiple years.

You're telling me that people enjoy raiding and gearing their characters on a game that was built around character advancement and gearing characters? I'll be damned.

There is no new content, this is the only classic EQ server worth a shit that exists.

[Hailto]

Are you retarded? He defending the actions of TMO while he was in a guild that was directly getting shit on by them.

My point is that it was two years ago. Is there some unwritten rule that you have to join one guild for life on this box? Times change, people want different things. Like I said before, this is the only decent recreation of classic EQ in existence. The fact that you're making a big deal out of someone changing guilds over two years is pretty fucking retarded.

[arsenalpow]

Are you retarded? He defending the actions of TMO while he was in a guild that was directly getting shit on by them.

Remember when TMO went up to Inny's lair after Full Circle had been sitting on the spawn point for the better part of a week after every other guild didn't go as a courtesy since Full Circle were there for soooo long? Remember when the TMO trolls were auctioning Inny loot in public chat taunting FC to let them know they could always buy Inny loot since TMO had plenty of it banked? Remember when Merkk joined TMO even after that treatment because pixels?

[Hailto]

Remember when TMO went up to Inny's lair after Full Circle had been sitting on the spawn point for the better part of a week after every other guild didn't go as a courtesy since Full Circle were there for soooo long? Remember when the TMO trolls were auctioning Inny loot in public chat taunting FC to let them know they could always buy Inny loot since TMO had plenty of it banked? Remember when Merkk joined TMO even after that treatment because pixels?

Remember when you never took any action to get what you want in the game besides whine and complain for months until GM's finally changed raid rules to get you to shut up, and then you still whined some more?

[Duckwalk]

You're telling me that people enjoy raiding and gearing their characters on a game that was built around character advancement and gearing characters? I'll be damned.

There is no new content, this is the only classic EQ server worth a shit that exists.

Thanks for making my point for me. Without new content there is no character advancement past a point.

Clearly making time to play the game isn't a priority anymore after gearing your shaman.

And that's what the natural progression should be. Play te game acquire loot, experience content, get bored and move on or cut back your play time.

That's obviously not how P99 works as instead you have 1 guild with essentially the same core of players actively working to monopolize and denying the rest of the server access to its end game content.

[mrmop520]

Remember when TMO went up to Inny's lair after Full Circle had been sitting on the spawn point for the better part of a week after every other guild didn't go as a courtesy since Full Circle were there for soooo long? Remember when the TMO trolls were auctioning Inny loot in public chat taunting FC to let them know they could always buy Inny loot since TMO had plenty of it banked? Remember when Merkk joined TMO even after that treatment because pixels?

FC still got FTE ;)

they also shat on us during our sky day, but IB took our sky day too haha.. man we couldn't catch a break.

[Hailto]

Thanks for making my point for me. Without new content there is no character advancement past a point.

Clearly making time to play the game isn't a priority anymore after gearing your shaman.

And that's what the natural progression should be. Play te game acquire loot, experience content, get bored and move on or cut back your play time.

That's obviously not how P99 works as instead you have 1 guild with essentially the same core of players actively working to monopolize and denying the rest of the server access to its end game content.

When theres no new content, there's nothing for hardcore players to advance to. Therefore the same shit gets farmed over and over. It's not really that big of a surprise that the people who put in the most time to gear their characters are the most devoted to the game and keep playing longer without burnout. My shaman is far from geared, I have a total of two items from VP. I would still be raiding if I could but i can't due to changing real life obligations.

[Cecily]

Remember when you never took any action to get what you want in the game

And that's the point of contention. TMO felt you should play our way. BDA strongly disagreed. And this beautiful bickering will gone on for fucking years because no will be like: http://youtu.be/URsqTsMfNqY?t=2m27s (http://youtu.be/URsqTsMfNqY?t=2m27s)

[Cecily]

errr start that at 2:17 haha

[arsenalpow]

FC still got FTE ;)

they also shat on us during our sky day, but IB took our sky day too haha.. man we couldn't catch a break.

I actually don't believe you got FTE, I think Amelinda checked the logs, saw a TMO person or pet and gave it to FC anyways for great justice. I'm gonna go through my logs and see if I have anything concrete to back it up.

[mrmop520]

Nah my buddy sardonox got it spamming bard AEs lol. Thats what the GMs told us at least

[Uuruk]

Did anyone else like this thread more before Alarti showed up?

[arsenalpow]

Nah my buddy sardonox got it spamming bard AEs lol. Thats what the GMs told us at least

i vividly remember amelinda telling me otherwise, but unless I have logs I guess it doesn't matter. Unless a GM wants to go back and look at FTE logs from an Inny 3 years ago or something lol

[Aviann]

And that's the point of contention. TMO felt you should play our way. BDA strongly disagreed. And this beautiful bickering will gone on for fucking years because no will be like: http://youtu.be/URsqTsMfNqY?t=2m27s (http://youtu.be/URsqTsMfNqY?t=2m27s)

On the contrary, the other guilds do this pretty frequently. We have respect for one another. When you have to compete with TMO, all respect goes out the window, because they have none for you. Its a vicious cycle that needs to be worked around or ignored, because there is no fixing it unless TMO decides to.

[Duckwalk]

The fact that you're making a big deal out of someone changing guilds over two years is pretty fucking retarded.

No, it just highlights the blind rabid devotion TMO gets from its new members.

[Hailto]

No, it just highlights the blind rabid devotion TMO gets from its new members.

Merkk isn't a new member, and im unguilded.

[Alarti0001]

My entire argument is that TMO hasn't done fuck all for this server in terms of making the community less toxic, they only strengthened the toxicity. Prove me wrong.

Entities don't make a server toxic or non-toxic. Individuals do. BDA hasn't done fuck all for this server in terms of making the community less toxic... neither has Taken or any other guild.

You will never see me refuse to port anyone based on their guild status. Yet BDA members constantly do this and they even suggest doing such things as some kind of boycott.

Here is a telling fact though. TMO has been around for years now and have had multiple people who used to hate us... really like us once they joined...IB members, BDA members, VD members, FE members.

Basically, your perception doesn't fit reality.

It seems your view of server toxicity is based on dragon kills? I think you must be confused as to which game you are playing. Everquest was a great game... but a deeply unrealistic game for modern times. I'm sorry there isn't enough content to go around for the 1500+ people who play here. Of course competitive scarcity is al-ot of the reason the more hardcore players started here. So why is your viewpoint better?

[Alarti0001]

Thanks for making my point for me. Without new content there is no character advancement past a point.

Clearly making time to play the game isn't a priority anymore after gearing your shaman.

And that's what the natural progression should be. Play te game acquire loot, experience content, get bored and move on or cut back your play time.

That's obviously not how P99 works as instead you have 1 guild with essentially the same core of players actively working to monopolize and denying the rest of the server access to its end game content.

What guild has the same core of players?

[Aviann]

Entities don't make a server toxic or non-toxic. Individuals do. BDA hasn't done fuck all for this server in terms of making the community less toxic... neither has Taken or any other guild.

You will never see me refuse to port anyone based on their guild status. Yet BDA members constantly do this and they even suggest doing such things as some kind of boycott.

Here is a telling fact though. TMO has been around for years now and have had multiple people who used to hate us... really like us once they joined...IB members, BDA members, VD members, FE members.

Basically, your perception doesn't fit reality.

It seems your view of server toxicity is based on dragon kills? I think you must be confused as to which game you are playing. Everquest was a great game... but a deeply unrealistic game for modern times. I'm sorry there isn't enough content to go around for the 1500+ people who play here. Of course competitive scarcity is al-ot of the reason the more hardcore players started here. So why is your viewpoint better?

Go away before you make yourself look even worse.

[Duckwalk]

When theres no new content, there's nothing for hardcore players to advance to. Therefore the same shit gets farmed over and over. It's not really that big of a surprise that the people who put in the most time to gear their characters are the most devoted to the game and keep playing longer without burnout. My shaman is far from geared, I have a total of two items from VP. I would still be raiding if I could but i can't due to changing real life obligations.

So essentially you're saying its ok for 1 guild to monopolize all of the raid content for more than three years, killing mobs and collecting loot they don't even need while developing an infrastructure whose only purpose is to further their goal of denying others content .. because they are the most devoted and there is no more content for them to advance to?

We've all seen TMOs guild bank. Ignoring RMT implications how could they ever hope to make use of the loot they acquire?

At the end of the day your guild is a fat kid refusing to share the cake Rogean baked for everyone then throwing a tantrum when tiny slices are taken away.

[Aviann]

At the end of the day your guild is a fat kid refusing to share the cake Rogean baked for everyone then throwing a tantrum when tiny slices are taken away.

Hell yes. That's perfect.

[Duckwalk]

Merkk isn't a new member, and im unguilded.

And we've all watched you pathetically try to spin for them from the second you joined. But good job diverting the argument towards your member status rather than your fanatical fanboism.

[Hailto]

And we've all watched you pathetically try to spin for them from the second you joined. But good job diverting the argument towards your member status rather than your fanatical fanboism.

Forumquest is fun, I just don't expect pixels for it like you and chest and the rest of the crybabies. If you want the loot, earn it.

[Alarti0001]

Go away before you make yourself look even worse.

So far... you haven't debated one point I've made; you have just been the equivalent of a child sticking his fingers in his ears.

Please support ANY of your statements/whines.

[Duckwalk]

Forumquest is fun, I just don't expect pixels for it like you and chest and the rest of the crybabies. If you want the loot, earn it.

Thanks for reinforcing my original point : TMO is the greedy toddler at day care refusing to share community toys unless taken from him by force.

Grow up you child

[Alarti0001]

Thanks for reinforcing my original point : TMO is the greedy toddler at day care refusing to share community toys unless taken from him by force.

Grow up you child

Except TMO did share. You know... other than that basic fact that is the central point to your entire statement...other than that.

[Duckwalk]

The fact that youre pointing to 5 mobs out of a possible...how many in three years, really underscored how weak your argument is. Please stop

[Aviann]

Did anyone else like this thread more before Alarti showed up?

[Duckwalk]

Yeah he's not too bright. He argues by deflecting the thread towards positions more beneficial to TMO rather than directly addressing them.

I imagine we will soon be discussing exactly when and where TMO shared mobs rather than the fact the number of mobs TMO has shared is so statistically insignificant as to be essentially worthless.

Pretty typical TMO spin squad actually.

[chief]

enjoy the non classic experience of getting free pixels class WoW.

[Duckwalk]

enjoy the non classic experience of getting free pixels class WoW.

You sound like you actually believe the countless hours spent staring at walls and waiting for mobs to spawn or farming seafuries so you could buy from TMO was well spent...that's sad.

[chief]

Different strokes for different folks pal, just because you don't agree with it does not mean its wrong in anyway. I'll enjoy the game I want to, and you the same.

[Duckwalk]

Different strokes for different folks pal, just because you don't agree with it does not mean its wrong in anyway. I'll enjoy the game I want to, and you the same.

That's fine but after 3+ years of locking the rest of the server out of content and expecting everyone to play "your way" it becomes a problem. Especially, when you're selling (in one way or another) those same pixel back to players who have been waiting to access said content.

I've yet to see anything since I started playing on this server that would suggest TMO is anything more than a spoiled child refusing to share simply because they have the most time to throw at the game and can batphone quickest at awkward times.

And in my opinion those two factors shouldn't determine who controls the vast majority of raid content for over 3 years on a free to play version built so people could experience a 15 year old game.

[chief]

That's fine but after 3+ years of locking the rest of the server out of content and expecting everyone to play "your way" it becomes a problem. Especially, when you're selling (in one way or another) those same pixel back to players who have been waiting to access said content.

I've yet to see anything since I started playing on this server that would suggest TMO is anything more than a spoiled child refusing to share simply because they have the most time to throw at the game and can batphone quickest at awkward times.

And in my opinion those two factors shouldn't determine who controls the vast majority of raid content for over 3 years on a free to play version built so people could experience a 15 year old game.

Hey guess what, guilds are no longer locked out of content , and haven't been for the last year? Classic EQ was never casual gamer friendly btw. I really don't know what you want me to say other then you are right and TMO are scum. Enjoy your 15 year old game content

[Cecily]

Ok you had a point before we had the sweeping raid policy changes. What exactly is you point now and how does it apply to P99 today? What is TMO, specifically TMO ofc, preventing other guilds from killing?

[khanable]

What is TMO, specifically TMO ofc, preventing other guilds from killing?

King Tranix

How are we supposed to throw eighty level 50 warm bodies at a mob and kill it without that 20MR?

[Cecily]

10_Dose_Greater_Null_Potion.jpg

[Aadill]

King Tranix


I like you.

Not just like like you, but like like you.

[Cecily]

Would actually only take 5 of those potions if you shared and if you split the cost it's only 50p per person. Lil cheaper than a crown.

[Aviann]

Would actually only take 5 of those potions if you shared and if you split the cost it's only 50p per person. Lil cheaper than a crown.

Except a crown lasts forever, lol

[Ella`Ella]

The BDA guild coffers don't have anything that would even compare to that pile of loot so here's what I'm going to personally do. I'm putting myself on the line.

If this fundraiser hits the $10,000 threshold for Welgrim I'll agree to go on Sirken's stupid stream that I've actively dodged so he can ask me stupid questions. Cucumbers can vouch that this is something that I absolutely have not wanted to do.


Skype call with me - make it worth it.

[Cecily]

It's funny though isn't it? The most precious items in game, Crown of Rile or Blood Orchid Katana, are the same effect as 10 - 50p a shot potions. You don't need expensive gear to be a raider. 150 MR and a pot will get you 175 self buffed. I've raided everything in the game at 180 MR.

[khanable]

15k stretch goal: chest joins tmo for 2 weeks and writes in a diary about it, to be posted to RnF

[arsenalpow]

Skype call with me - make it worth it.

$15,000 stretch goal

[Aviann]

It's funny though isn't it? The most precious items in game, Crown of Rile or Blood Orchid Katana, are the same effect as 10 - 50p a shot potions. You don't need expensive gear to be a raider. 150 MR and a pot will get you 175 self buffed. I've raided everything in the game at 180 MR.

Except you can't wear an MR pot as a helmet and get twice the effect.

[Exmo]

15k stretch goal: chest joins tmo for 2 weeks and writes in a diary about it, to be posted to RnF

This.

Please.

[Doors]

It's funny though isn't it? The most precious items in game, Crown of Rile or Blood Orchid Katana, are the same effect as 10 - 50p a shot potions. You don't need expensive gear to be a raider. 150 MR and a pot will get you 175 self buffed. I've raided everything in the game at 180 MR.

You're a fucking idiot.

[Cecily]

Yeah? Elaborate you fungi thieving piece of shit.

[Alarti0001]

That's fine but after 3+ years of locking the rest of the server out of content and expecting everyone to play "your way" it becomes a problem. Especially, when you're selling (in one way or another) those same pixel back to players who have been waiting to access said content.

I've yet to see anything since I started playing on this server that would suggest TMO is anything more than a spoiled child refusing to share simply because they have the most time to throw at the game and can batphone quickest at awkward times.

And in my opinion those two factors shouldn't determine who controls the vast majority of raid content for over 3 years on a free to play version built so people could experience a 15 year old game.


So TMO, after getting all geared, should quit into Velious because you want yours... but aren't willing to earn it?

[Uuruk]

So TMO, after getting all geared, should quit into Velious because you want yours... but aren't willing to earn it?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpg

[ctre]

Geez Chest.

You were wrong to take that stance.

In this case you should have agreed to send an officer there, (instantly) or join in yourself.
The GM could not have asked you more nicely, but you pizzed him off with your pride, (learn to swallow it).

Learn to go in with your mouth shut and listen, (never put your pride up, put it in you r back pocket and sit on it).
BDA could be 1000% better if you just did that first.

/sigh.. I am so sad to say such things and ashamed..

[Lazie]

Nah my buddy sardonox got it spamming bard AEs lol. Thats what the GMs told us at least

You're right and Chest is wrong about what occurred as usual It was a month after this that the code was changed so that mobs had to be targeted by bards or they were immune to non-targeted spells. It was a pretty broad stroke of genuis I remember thinking at the time that you guys figured out bards could get FTE so easy. Then of course the GM's changed it for some reason.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98585

[Lazie]

Immune on spawn that is. As you can read Rogean's changes there. Here is the RNF thread for that Inny as you can see it was a month before the change.


http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94127

[Troubled]

Immune on spawn that is. As you can read Rogean's changes there. Here is the RNF thread for that Inny as you can see it was a month before the change.


http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94127

Funniest post I've found so far in that thread.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=811314&postcount=72

[Lazie]

Funniest post I've found so far in that thread.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=811314&postcount=72

Meh some people know how to drop grudges and move on. I feel bad for the people who can't.