Michael Brown

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

If Rick Berman and Brannen Braga hated my guts I'd be a ok with that.

[iruinedyourday]

Eyes don't process information. The occipital lobes are responsible for that. S'prised you didn't k ow that.:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g7ehwIOjJM#t=67

[Vyal]

Page 76... Page fucking 76...

I don't know how to avoid all you people in game :confused:

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Page 76... Page fucking 76...

I don't know how to avoid all you people in game :confused:

Well at least half of us don't even play anymore so that's half the battle.

[Sidelle]

I don't know why it still surprises me just how many liberals these days resemble the oppressive religious right by using their "moral superiority" as a weapon to personally attack those who dare to question, discuss, or disagree with them.

"I'm right, you're wrong. I'm a good guy, you're a bad guy. End of discussion!".

Intolerance, self-righteousness, & hypocrisy are clearly the pillars of the new national Church of Liberalism. Add a bit of self-indulgent outrage, immediately followed by the hasty departure of logic, and it should feel just like looking in the mirror for some of you people. It describes you perfectly.

Lol, you guys are silly... :rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/e0kzLep.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

if people that cry I'M NOT RACIST spent half their time changing the way they spoke so that people WOULDN'T call them racist, then we'd all be a lot god damned happier.

here's a little tip, if you say something and someone calls you a racist for saying it, stop saying that shit and get on with your life.

[Sidelle]

if people that cry I'M NOT RACIST spent half their time changing the way they spoke so that people WOULDN'T call them racist, then we'd all be a lot god damned happier.

here's a little tip, if you say something and someone calls you a racist for saying it, stop saying that shit and get on with your life.
If someone calls me anything I recognize it for what it is -- just some asshole's opinion, good or bad.

Opinions are not automatically turned into facts simply because you believe it.

Don't you recognize your own arrogance at all? Hello, is there anyone even in there? LOL

[Psionide]

if people that cry I'M NOT RACIST spent half their time changing the way they spoke so that people WOULDN'T call them racist, then we'd all be a lot god damned happier.

here's a little tip, if you say something and someone calls you a racist for saying it, stop saying that shit and get on with your life.

Stop being a pussy.

[Orruar]

Stop being a pussy.

[Glenzig]

if people that cry I'M NOT RACIST spent half their time changing the way they spoke so that people WOULDN'T call them racist, then we'd all be a lot god damned happier.

here's a little tip, if you say something and someone calls you a racist for saying it, stop saying that shit and get on with your life.

Give us an example please.

[iruinedyourday]

Give us an example please.

hmm how do I link page 1-76 of this thread?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

hmm how do I link page 1-76 of this thread?

Name three... Name one.

[iruinedyourday]

Name three... Name one.

examples of examples please.

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/CB5i7fn.gif

[Misto]

if people that cry I'M NOT RACIST spent half their time changing the way they spoke so that people WOULDN'T call them racist, then we'd all be a lot god damned happier.

here's a little tip, if you say something and someone calls you a racist for saying it, stop saying that shit and get on with your life.

People like you are why I embrace racism.

[Lune]

if people that cry I'M NOT RACIST spent half their time changing the way they spoke so that people WOULDN'T call them racist, then we'd all be a lot god damned happier.

here's a little tip, if you say something and someone calls you a racist for saying it, stop saying that shit and get on with your life.

Dumbest fucking thing I've read in months.

[iruinedyourday]

Qq

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://i.imgur.com/jt9NTee.jpg

[Glenzig]

hmm how do I link page 1-76 of this thread?

Don't go getting all soft on us now. You put it out there, give us something to work with.

[Glenzig]

hmm how do I link page 1-76 of this thread?

Ok. So since there haven't been any examples provided, I have to assume that you are lumping yourself in with everyone else since you had quite a few posts in those pages as well.

[Itap]

hmm how do I link page 1-76 of this thread?

you have literally become the worst poster on these forums, congrats

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

you have literally become the worst poster on these forums, congrats

Every time you use the word "literally," consider if the sentence would be better without it. Literally, do that.
























... literally literally literally

[AnOldEnemy]

Had Michael Brown and Eric Garner not resisted arrest they would still be alive today. End of story.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Had Michael Brown and Eric Garner not resisted arrest they would still be alive today. End of story.

Good to see a clear thinking individual here. That is, indeed, all that needs to be known, and all there is to it. Thank you for this laser beam of deduction you have shined onto the crux of the issue at hand. Please close the thread, as he pointed out: end of story. Such elegance, such simplicity. How did we not see it before? The answer was staring us in the face! Blissful, mad, blind! Fools were we, shackled by our ignorance! Guide us o philosopher king! You have so much to teach us.

[iruinedyourday]

Had Michael Brown and Eric Garner not resisted arrest they would still be alive today. End of story.

had they not even been BORN they would already be president. Use math, dummy.

[iruinedyourday]

you have literally become the worst poster on these forums, congrats

your avatar is fucking stupid

[fiveeauxfour]

Good to see a clear thinking individual here. That is, indeed, all that needs to be known, and all there is to it. Thank you for this laser beam of deduction you have shined onto the crux of the issue at hand. Please close the thread, as he pointed out: end of story. Such elegance, such simplicity. How did we not see it before? The answer was staring us in the face! Blissful, mad, blind! Fools were we, shackled by our ignorance! Guide us o philosopher king! You have so much to teach us.

this is brilliant

[Archalen]

http://media.salon.com/2014/11/darren_wilson.jpg

"The third punch might have killed me" Go fuck yourselves. You are all simply racist sheep.

Looks like Brown did some damage to his ears.

Pras.

[Itap]

your avatar is fucking stupid

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s0fu9fsJ1rpga6zo1_400.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

your avatar is fucking stupid

Mother fucking racist is what you are.

[iruinedyourday]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/aH0y2L6.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Oh, so now you're an anti-Semite as well? Great job man.

[Sidelle]

Had Michael Brown and Eric Garner not resisted arrest they would still be alive today. End of story.
I dunno... The multiple cops in Eric Garner's case using an illegal chokehold and sitting on his chest until he died is as over the line as it gets. He resisted but didn't physically attack them or go for a gun like in the Brown case. He didn't appear to me to be any kind of imminent threat once he was down. I think the grand jury made the wrong call here.

I read about and watch documentaries about true crime enough to know it takes a longer time than you'd think to strangle or suffocate someone to death. I believe it's like 3 to 4 minutes at the very least. Trying not to imagine what that must have been like for Eric Garner...

[Sidelle]

Ugh, look at this douchebag couple.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEix-AYcNXY

[FoxxHound]

Ugh, look at this douchebag couple.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEix-AYcNXY

o shit

[NegaStoat]

Ugh, look at this douchebag couple.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEix-AYcNXY

There's bound to be some angry people asking that couple "Oh?!? So you think this is funny??? Do you think what happened is so funny????"

I thought their douchebaggery was pretty funny, yes. Not the cops killing the dude and walking away scott free, but the baggery made me chuckle.

[NegaStoat]

After doing more research on the matter and exploring sites that weren't owned by Conservative extremists, I think I'm about done with the issue.

I am convinced that there are multiple instances of something unusual going on, expecially in terms of how rules were and were not followed for the investigation. I find it especially unusual in how none of the bodies were allowed to be cleared from the building by awaiting EMT's to be taken to the hospital in a normal timely fashion, etc.

I'm not convinced it was a hoax. I think the researchers are going to have to dig up something better before they get me to that side of the fence. The big thing I'm stuck on is a clear lack of gain from someone putting so much risk on a hoax. It's going to help push forward gun control? Really? Something WAY better than this could have been staged. I need a motive of something bigger than that, something bigger than the loose change of 7+ million.

[AnOldEnemy]

I dunno... The multiple cops in Eric Garner's case using an illegal chokehold and sitting on his chest until he died is as over the line as it gets. He resisted but didn't physically attack them or go for a gun like in the Brown case. He didn't appear to me to be any kind of imminent threat once he was down. I think the grand jury made the wrong call here.

I read about and watch documentaries about true crime enough to know it takes a longer time than you'd think to strangle or suffocate someone to death. I believe it's like 3 to 4 minutes at the very least. Trying not to imagine what that must have been like for Eric Garner...

Chokehold isn't illegal. While it is banned by NYPD regulation it is legal under state law while making a lawful arrest. There was over 200,000 misdemeanor arrests in NYC in 2013 and how often do you see this happen? So much for the overzealous NYPD killing everyone right?

[iruinedyourday]

Ugh, look at this douchebag couple.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEix-AYcNXY

thats what this forum would look like if it was IRL instead of just on the web in text.

[Pokesan]

Michael Brown definitely deserved to be killed by the policeman!

There, thread over, go back to yelling about dragons

[JayN]

Michael Brown definitely deserved to be killed by the policeman!

There, thread over, go back to yelling about dragons

TREYVON, these poor saintly souls taken to soon!

[Sidelle]

Chokehold isn't illegal. While it is banned by NYPD regulation it is legal under state law while making a lawful arrest. There was over 200,000 misdemeanor arrests in NYC in 2013 and how often do you see this happen? So much for the overzealous NYPD killing everyone right?
I'm only speaking of this particular case. My opinion, based on the information I've seen so far, is that I think the cops went overboard here and it appears they recklessly or negligently caused this man's death. I don't believe I was implying in any way that the NYPD are generally "overzealous" or run around "killing everyone" whenever they feel like it though. Lol.

So NY state law says it's legal to use a choke hold and the NYC regulations have banned it's use. Were the cops acting lawfully or not when they used it on Eric Garner then? Confused and not a lawyer...

In any case, they could have eased up a bit on the guy once he was down. They weren't in danger from him at that point, at least he wasn't trying to hurt them that I could see.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

They took a guy who had his hands up with 5 people and choked him to death. Jesus fuck Sidelle it isn't that hard. NYPD are some of the most dangerous people on the planet.

[Sidelle]

They took a guy who had his hands up with 5 people and choked him to death. Jesus fuck Sidelle it isn't that hard. NYPD are some of the most dangerous people on the planet.
Yes, I'm aware of the man being wrongfully choked to death. I think the cops should have been charged. My question to the other guy was more about the actual laws in NY, but thanks for the reply anyway.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Yes, I'm aware of the man being wrongfully choked to death. I think the cops should have been charged. My question to the other guy was more about the actual laws in NY, but thanks for the reply anyway.

Yeah. Sorry. The whole police brutality thing is just a bit much for me. Had a friend shot in the head for having the audacity to have a cell phone in his hand and walk to subway. He survived somehow but doesn't walk quite right and isn't all there mentally anymore.

[AnOldEnemy]

I'm only speaking of this particular case. My opinion, based on the information I've seen so far, is that I think the cops went overboard here and it appears they recklessly or negligently caused this man's death. I don't believe I was implying in any way that the NYPD are generally "overzealous" or run around "killing everyone" whenever they feel like it though. Lol.

So NY state law says it's legal to use a choke hold and the NYC regulations have banned it's use. Were the cops acting lawfully or not when they used it on Eric Garner then? Confused and not a lawyer...

In any case, they could have eased up a bit on the guy once he was down. They weren't in danger from him at that point, at least he wasn't trying to hurt them that I could see.

Yes, that was my fault in my wording. I didn't mean to explicitly state you said the NYPD was overzealous or killing everyone. I was more talking about the general reactions. As far as the chokeholds go it is one of those things that is a rule that isn't really followed. Internal Affairs won't pursue it 99% of the time and civil lawsuits won't get anything out of it because the state law trumps in that case. Even the whole argument about what really constitutes a chokehold is a grey area. In the academy officers are actually taught certain moves that resembled chokeholds but stay away from the neck and throat. I believe their idea of a chokehold is force to neck which they think is different than pressure to the neck. You can see how this is so convoluted.

This also wasn't death by asphyxiation, the coroner's finding was that he died from "compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” It was also stated that this could have been due to the man's medical condition. You can see how defense lawyers would have a field day with this and no prosecutor wants to open up the Pandora's box of prosecuting cops in such a gray area.

[Sidelle]

Yeah. Sorry. The whole police brutality thing is just a bit much for me. Had a friend shot in the head for having the audacity to have a cell phone in his hand and walk to subway. He survived somehow but doesn't walk quite right and isn't all there mentally anymore.
Wow... Really sorry about your friend. That's horrific. :(

[Sidelle]

Yes, that was my fault in my wording. I didn't mean to explicitly state you said the NYPD was overzealous or killing everyone. I was more talking about the general reactions. As far as the chokeholds go it is one of those things that is a rule that isn't really followed. Internal Affairs won't pursue it 99% of the time and civil lawsuits won't get anything out of it because the state law trumps in that case. Even the whole argument about what really constitutes a chokehold is a grey area. In the academy officers are actually taught certain moves that resembled chokeholds but stay away from the neck and throat. I believe their idea of a chokehold is force to neck which they think is different than pressure to the neck. You can see how this is so convoluted.

This also wasn't death by asphyxiation, the coroner's finding was that he died from "compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” It was also stated that this could have been due to the man's medical condition. You can see how defense lawyers would have a field day with this and no prosecutor wants to open up the Pandora's box of prosecuting cops in such a gray area.
Ok, I see now. I appreciate that you took the time to explain further, so thank you.

[Glenzig]

Yes, that was my fault in my wording. I didn't mean to explicitly state you said the NYPD was overzealous or killing everyone. I was more talking about the general reactions. As far as the chokeholds go it is one of those things that is a rule that isn't really followed. Internal Affairs won't pursue it 99% of the time and civil lawsuits won't get anything out of it because the state law trumps in that case. Even the whole argument about what really constitutes a chokehold is a grey area. In the academy officers are actually taught certain moves that resembled chokeholds but stay away from the neck and throat. I believe their idea of a chokehold is force to neck which they think is different than pressure to the neck. You can see how this is so convoluted.

This also wasn't death by asphyxiation, the coroner's finding was that he died from "compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” It was also stated that this could have been due to the man's medical condition. You can see how defense lawyers would have a field day with this and no prosecutor wants to open up the Pandora's box of prosecuting cops in such a gray area.

Yeah I don't think so. When someone has been subdued and is already on the ground and obviously can't breath because he has multiple grown men bearing down on him and one choking him, plus he's begging them to stop because he can't breath, that's not very gray. I don't care what any lawyer or grand jury says, the dud choking him needs to be charged.

[Misto]

They took a guy who had his hands up with 5 people and choked him to death. Jesus fuck Sidelle it isn't that hard. NYPD are some of the most dangerous people on the planet.

You act as if the police have a moral obligation to trust criminals with their lives.

That's funny.

Where as you'd think someone with 31 prior arrests would know how to behave when being detained by the police.

[Orruar]

Yeah I don't think so. When someone has been subdued and is already on the ground and obviously can't breath because he has multiple grown men bearing down on him and one choking him, plus he's begging them to stop because he can't breath, that's not very gray. I don't care what any lawyer or grand jury says, the dud choking him needs to be charged.

This right here is the problem. People who know probably 2% of the facts of the case feel their opinion is more informed than those who make their living dealing with these cases and people who spend weeks/months hearing evidence and arguments on the case.

[Glenzig]

This right here is the problem. People who know probably 2% of the facts of the case feel their opinion is more informed than those who make their living dealing with these cases and people who spend weeks/months hearing evidence and arguments on the case.

Kinda hard to argue with a video of what actually happened. And I never claimed to know anything beyond what the video showed. I also never claimed my opinion was more informed. I just gave my opinion. Sorry it isn't the same as yours.

[Orruar]

Kinda hard to argue with a video of what actually happened. And I never claimed to know anything beyond what the video showed. I also never claimed my opinion was more informed. I just gave my opinion. Sorry it isn't the same as yours.

I have no opinion on this case. And I think it's absurd to form an opinion based upon a couple minutes of video tape. How much do you know about legality/morality of something like a policeman using a chokehold? How much do you know on what constitutes a chokehold? How much do you know about this man's medical history and condititions, and how those may have affected the situation? Did you learn all of these things from watching the video?

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
-Mark Twain

[Orruar]

Had a friend shot in the head for having the audacity to have a cell phone in his hand and walk to subway.

Sorry if this comes off as crass, but this sounds like the people who were saying "Trayvon Martin was shot for having the audacity to wear a hoodie and buy some skittles." My guess is that there is more to the story. Either that, or there is now a person in jail for attempted murder.

[Glenzig]

I have no opinion on this case. And I think it's absurd to form an opinion based upon a couple minutes of video tape. How much do you know about legality/morality of something like a policeman using a chokehold? How much do you know on what constitutes a chokehold? How much do you know about this man's medical history and condititions, and how those may have affected the situation? Did you learn all of these things from watching the video?

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
-Mark Twain

Well I know that the use of chokeholds was banned in the nypd as of 1993. I'm pretty sure the officer involved was trained post 1993. I guess I can't be sure, but I'm willing to make that assumption. I also know that when you put your arm around someone's neck and hold it there, that should qualify as a chokehold. Or does it need to conform to some jujitsu dojo standard for form and grip?
As far as his medical conditions, I really don't know. I'm pretty sure we all have a dependency on oxygen though. And police officer or not, if someone has been pinned to the ground and no longer poses a threat to yourself or others and is begging you to let him breath, the moral thing to do would be to allow him to breath. I guess that's probably just due to my lack of knowledge about how long he could hold his breath though.

[MrSparkle001]

Funny because I heard that the chokehold was legal and that's one of the main reasons why there wasn't an indictment.

I have to side with the grand jury on this one too. They saw the evidence and were told about the laws. All I have is a short video and the media.

[Glenzig]

Funny because I heard that the chokehold was legal and that's one of the main reasons why there wasn't an indictment.

I have to side with the grand jury on this one too. They saw the evidence and were told about the laws. All I have is a short video and the media.

I know I've heard that it was legal, illegal, banned, ok...pretty much everything except a definite answer. The great thing is that laws about stuff like this are written purposefully vague so that they can be bent one way or the other depending on the circumstance. As far as the video goes, it didn't seem like people had a problem forming a definite opinion about Michael Brown after the footage of him robbing a store before he got shot was released. I know my opinion certainly changed based on that.

[Orruar]

I really don't know.

That's all you really needed to say. Your next step is to stop forming opinions while in this state of ignorance.

[Orruar]

I know I've heard that it was legal, illegal, banned, ok...pretty much everything except a definite answer. The great thing is that laws about stuff like this are written purposefully vague so that they can be bent one way or the other depending on the circumstance.

No, it's not vague. Choke holds are legal (i.e. not against the law), but they are against police policy. So using one is a policy violation, which is not punishable by the law, but rather an employment matter. Like if you use your computer at work to watch porn. You can be fired, but the company can't bring criminal charges against you (in most circumstances) since it's not an illegal act.

As far as the video goes, it didn't seem like people had a problem forming a definite opinion about Michael Brown after the footage of him robbing a store before he got shot was released. I know my opinion certainly changed based on that.

Video evidence can be useful (although I doubt it was even presented to the Darren Wilson grand jury since grand juries only hear from the prosecutor), but forming an opinion based solely on a video is idiotic at best. I mean, what exactly would you have known about the altercation between Wilson and Brown that happened minutes after Brown was last on video? The video shows nothing about the incident in question, and so forming a solid opinion based solely on that is suspect logic.

[Glenzig]

That's all you really needed to say. Your next step is to stop forming opinions while in this state of ignorance.

K.

Sorry if this comes off as crass, but this sounds like the people who were saying "Trayvon Martin was shot for having the audacity to wear a hoodie and buy some skittles." My guess is that there is more to the story. Either that, or there is now a person in jail for attempted murder.

I'm sorry, what was that you were saying?

[Orruar]

Are you attempting to make a point? If so, would you care to be more specific? It would be great if you would be direct, so that we can all see just how that mind of yours works.

[Glenzig]

If you didn't get it, sorry.

[Hastley]

dont do things that draw police attention. had this line of thought been used there would of been no need for this thread.

In before racial profiling etc etc etc

[Orruar]

If you didn't get it, sorry.

The irony is thick with this one.

[Raev]

America has a growing gangster/thug/ghetto culture that glorifies mindless violence, reckless use of dangerous drugs, broken homes, and a general anti-civic attitude. This is the fucking problem, not police profiling or systemic racism.

And it has been created by liberals and welfare. Take away the welfare check, and these people are too busy trying to feed themselves to shoot cops.

[Raev]

ok, typed that last bit out too fast, i meant to say "the various activities that are getting them shot by cops"

[iruinedyourday]

America has a growing gangster/thug/ghetto culture that glorifies mindless violence, reckless use of dangerous drugs, broken homes, and a general anti-civic attitude. This is the fucking problem, not police profiling or systemic racism.

And it has been created by liberals and welfare. Take away the welfare check, and these people are too busy trying to feed themselves to shoot cops.

I'll take a thug over you fat white loud filthy no job havin cargo shorts white socks pulled up to your knees Walmart god fearing Jesus loving bass fishing hunting gun worshiping scared outa your god damned mind xlarge soda drinking can't park fleece wearing hockey mom riding lawn mower Fox News parroting duck dynasty mother fuckers, any day of the week. Just fyi.

[Glenzig]

America has a growing gangster/thug/ghetto culture that glorifies mindless violence, reckless use of dangerous drugs, broken homes, and a general anti-civic attitude. This is the fucking problem, not police profiling or systemic racism.

And it has been created by liberals and welfare. Take away the welfare check, and these people are too busy trying to feed themselves to shoot cops.

I agree with this. The problem is that the people on the police force are just as affected by this culture as the people on the street.

[Raev]

I'll take a thug over you fat white loud filthy no job havin cargo shorts white socks pulled up to your knees Walmart god fearing Jesus loving bass fishing hunting gun worshiping scared outa your god damned mind xlarge soda drinking can't park fleece wearing hockey mom riding lawn mower Fox News parroting duck dynasty mother fuckers, any day of the week. Just fyi.

the goal of trolling is to make the other person mad, not make them question whether you are a member of the vegetable kingdom

[Aviann]

America has a growing gangster/thug/ghetto culture that glorifies mindless violence, reckless use of dangerous drugs, broken homes, and a general anti-civic attitude. This is the fucking problem, not police profiling or systemic racism.

And it has been created by liberals and welfare. Take away the welfare check, and these people are too busy trying to feed themselves to shoot cops.

Until the people realize that you can rob cops too.

When everyone hides inside from the nasties trying to get their stash, 50 policemen will arrive out of nowhere to try to stop an assailant. Behind those shields, that is 50 pockets to pick for you and your gang.

Welfare isn't the problem, its the culture we are becoming, fucking disgusting inbreds of a million different colors, and not enough vigilantes on the news to make anyone think twice about what they are doing. Its just them vs. a cage... and sometimes the cage doesn't seem so bad in comparison to having to fend for yourself.

[iruinedyourday]

It's pretty simple solition, the police force needs to be held accountable for it's actions.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6264746

A police officer shouldn't be in a position of complete immunity. It's just absurd.

[Orruar]

the goal of trolling is to make the other person mad, not make them question whether you are a member of the vegetable kingdom

Vegetables are part of the plant kingdom. Get your biological taxonomy right or gtfo of RNF.

[Duckwalk]

Justice Antonin Scalia, in the 1992 Supreme Court case of United States v. Williams, explained what the role of a grand jury has been for hundreds of years.

"It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880).

As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented."

The evidence presented in both the Brown and Garner cases easily rise the the level of probable cause. The exculpatory evidence and affirmative defenses are for a trial jury to decide.

DAs have too much of a vested interest in not prosecuting local law enforcement.

[Duckwalk]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/26/3597322/justice-scalia-explains-what-was-wrong-with-the-ferguson-grand-jury/

[Orruar]

The evidence presented in both the Brown and Garner cases easily rise the the level of probable cause.

We need to disband all grand juries and have Duckwalk take over. He clearly knows what's what without the pesky requirement of actually sitting through the case presented to the grand jury.

[Lictor]

Justice Antonin Scalia, in the 1992 Supreme Court case of United States v. Williams, explained what the role of a grand jury has been for hundreds of years.

"It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880).

As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented."

The evidence presented in both the Brown and Garner cases easily rise the the level of probable cause. The exculpatory evidence and affirmative defenses are for a trial jury to decide.

DAs have too much of a vested interest in not prosecuting local law enforcement.

You are going to need to chop that up and throw in a couple of 'ya feels?' for these clowns to understand that post.

[Duckwalk]

We need to disband all grand juries and have Duckwalk take over. He clearly knows what's what without the pesky requirement of actually sitting through the case presented to the grand jury.

Thanks for enlightening us all with your clear understanding of the burden of proof which grand juries operate under and the mechanism through which the prosecutor presents his "case" to them.





Retard

[iruinedyourday]

the goal of trolling is to make the other person mad, not make them question whether you are a member of the vegetable kingdom

then why do you post anything at all?

[Duckwalk]

Actually my sarcasm probably flew right over your head so before you get to involved in self congratulations for what you consider a witty and intelligent post, let me spell my point out for you very simply.

As Superme Court Justice Scalia suggests and as happens in the vast majority of other cases ( 99% of the time in federal cases), the prosecutor would have presented only the evidence suggesting that a crime may have taken place, the grand jury would have asked his opinion of the evidence and he would have stated that the evidence was strong indication that a crime had taken place. They would have indicted in both cases.

The end.

The defendants would not have been given the opportunity to testify for multiple hours. The grand jury would not have been presented with contradictory evidence.

That's how it works for private citizen and I can tell you that's the way it works because I witnesed if first hand numerous times as. A law clerk for the DA's office.

[iruinedyourday]

We need to disband all grand juries and have Duckwalk take over. He clearly knows what's what without the pesky requirement of actually sitting through the case presented to the grand jury.

haha yea cus the grand jury is surprised of super human individuals incapable of doing their jobs poorly.

What I don't understand is the hypocrisy of the Conservative (or the right or whatever you want to call them) party.

Yes to guns! because the government cant do its job because 1984! Vs. No to police being held accountable! because for some reason this portion of the government is infallible 1984 is just a book!

[Lictor]

haha yea cus the grand jury is surprised of super human individuals incapable of doing their jobs poorly.

What I don't understand is the hypocrisy of the Conservative (or the right or whatever you want to call them) party.

Yes to guns! because the government cant do its job because 1984! Vs. No to police being held accountable! because for some reason this portion of the government is infallible 1984 is just a book!

Rabble rabble rabble!! It has been explained to me why these results occur bc of how our legal system is set up, but it is actually race and the damn conservatives!!

[Raev]

The evidence presented in both the Brown and Garner cases easily rise the the level of probable cause. The exculpatory evidence and affirmative defenses are for a trial jury to decide.

Hmm, thats actually fairly interesting. I suppose the logic is that the grand jury is somehow faster and less thorough than a full trial? (IANAL)

[iruinedyourday]

Rabble rabble rabble!! It has been explained to me why these results occur bc of how our legal system is set up, but it is actually race and the damn conservatives!!

Im not talking about why or where the results come from. I'm talking about how the conservatives are fucking stupid hypocrite liars.

[Duckwalk]

Hmm, thats actually fairly interesting. I suppose the logic is that the grand jury is somehow faster and less thorough than a full trial? (IANAL)

The Grand Jury is not an adversarial process and it's even then the prosecutor has a vested interest in not prosecuting people he works with on a daily basis.

There really needs to be a special Prosector appointed for this kind of situation.

[Lictor]

And whatever side your political views fall on is not hypocritical? Please

[AnOldEnemy]

It is a good thing this case did not go to trial because if it had the cop would most certainly have been let off which would have wasted even more taxpayer dollars in debt ridden NYC and the public outrage would have been even worse. As much as people don't like it this is the system in NYC.

This may sound like I am being a square by the crime culture many find acceptable and even admirable which many youth try to emulate is a problem. I was at recent Nets basketball game in Brooklyn and they had Bobby Shmurda's song "Hot *****" playing over the PA. Look at the lyrics to that song and you can see how crime culture is celebrated and welcomed, especially since apparently that song is very popular. You would never have heard that song played a sports venue a generation or two back. Just look at how many communities where the norm is "don't snitch" and this is one of the most frustrating mentalities there are. Most of the murders are committed in minority neighborhoods and even though someone knows something that could help bring a rapist or murderer to justice they won't come forward because of this silly "code," yet there is no outrage over that. Oh, the media....the real problem.

Also, almost every media outlet sensationalizes everything because they all have agendas. Anytime something happens in this country mob outrage gets fueled by this and tries to get knee-jerk reactions to everything. How about being proactive about something if you want changes and not wait until something happens?

Kony 2012 never forget......

[Duckwalk]

The grand jury historically exists to determine if the evidence of an alleged crime rises above a minimum level not to determine the entire entire merits of a cases.

It's like a teaching assistant sorting through a stack of term papers and immediately excluding those that didn't meet the minimum page requirments then the teacher reading those that did and grading them.

[iruinedyourday]

It is a good thing this case did not go to trial because if it had the cop would most certainly have been let off which would have wasted even more taxpayer dollars in debt ridden NYC and the public outrage would have been even worse. As much as people don't like it this is the system in NYC.

This may sound like I am being a square by the crime culture many find acceptable and even admirable which many youth try to emulate is a problem. I was at recent Nets basketball game in Brooklyn and they had Bobby Shmurda's song "Hot *****" playing over the PA. Look at the lyrics to that song and you can see how crime culture is celebrated and welcomed, especially since apparently that song is very popular. You would never have heard that song played a sports venue a generation or two back. Just look at how many communities where the norm is "don't snitch" and this is one of the most frustrating mentalities there are. Most of the murders are committed in minority neighborhoods and even though someone knows something that could help bring a rapist or murderer to justice they won't come forward because of this silly "code," yet there is no outrage over that. Oh, the media....the real problem.

Also, almost every media outlet sensationalizes everything because they all have agendas. Anytime something happens in this country mob outrage gets fueled by this and tries to get knee-jerk reactions to everything. How about being proactive about something if you want changes and not wait until something happens?

Kony 2012 never forget......

you are wrong

http://images.sixrevisions.com/2009/12/07-20_scarface_new.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Billy_the_Kid_corrected.jpg

http://cdnvideo.dolimg.com/cdn_assets/bc0882a75d050d6e23a08afda0e92c3708000eb8.jpg

[jettle]

[QUOTE=AnOldEnemy;1703694]
This may sound like I am being a square by the crime culture many find acceptable and even admirable which many youth try to emulate is a problem. I was at recent Nets basketball game in Brooklyn and they had Bobby Shmurda's song "Hot *****" playing over the PA. Look at the lyrics to that song and you can see how crime culture is celebrated and welcomed, especially since apparently that song is very popular. You would never have heard that song played a sports venue a generation or two back. Just look at how many communities where the norm is "don't snitch" and this is one of the most frustrating mentalities there are. Most of the murders are committed in minority neighborhoods and even though someone knows something that could help bring a rapist or murderer to justice they won't come forward because of this silly "code," yet there is no outrage over that. Oh, the media....the real problem.QUOTE]

its dees racist cracka ass cops bruh!!

"liberals" - complain about everything

"conservatives" - tell people to get over it

[Duckwalk]

It is a good thing this case did not go to trial because if it had the cop would most certainly have been let off which would have wasted even more taxpayer dollars in debt ridden NYC and the public outrage would have been even worse. As much as people don't like it this is the system in NYC.

This may sound like I am being a square by the crime culture many find acceptable and even admirable which many youth try to emulate is a problem. I was at recent Nets basketball game in Brooklyn and they had Bobby Shmurda's song "Hot *****" playing over the PA. Look at the lyrics to that song and you can see how crime culture is celebrated and welcomed, especially since apparently that song is very popular. You would never have heard that song played a sports venue a generation or two back. Just look at how many communities where the norm is "don't snitch" and this is one of the most frustrating mentalities there are. Most of the murders are committed in minority neighborhoods and even though someone knows something that could help bring a rapist or murderer to justice they won't come forward because of this silly "code," yet there is no outrage over that. Oh, the media....the real problem.

Also, almost every media outlet sensationalizes everything because they all have agendas. Anytime something happens in this country mob outrage gets fueled by this and tries to get knee-jerk reactions to everything. How about being proactive about something if you want changes and not wait until something happens?

Kony 2012 never forget......

I disagree. I think a criminal trial would have at least shown that police officers and their actions are held to the same standard as the rest of us. The fact they weren't indicted (and almost never are) when private citizens are indicted in similar circumstances the vast vast majority of the time is in my opinion one the major factors driving current unrest

The other major factor being that minorities are disproportionately targeted by law enforcement.

[jettle]

boy I wish I could edit RNF

[AnOldEnemy]

you are wrong

http://images.sixrevisions.com/2009/12/07-20_scarface_new.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Billy_the_Kid_corrected.jpg

http://cdnvideo.dolimg.com/cdn_assets/bc0882a75d050d6e23a08afda0e92c3708000eb8.jpg

Are you being serious? I can't tell. If you are you pretty much ignored my entire argument and only decided to respond (in a crass way) to one point. Equating Boris Karloff Hollywood to the youth crime culture in NYC and other places is a little far but that is just an opinion. Even if that was the case you are just proving the point that crime culture was always a problem then.

[iruinedyourday]

[QUOTE=AnOldEnemy;1703694]
its dees racist cracka ass cops bruh!!

"liberals" - complain about everything

"conservatives" - tell people to get over it

that is fucking straight up bullshit. Conservatives shut the fucking government down they complained so hard. Gimi a fucking break you neanderthals in the conservative party.

[iruinedyourday]

Are you being serious? I can't tell. If you are you pretty much ignored my entire argument and only decided to respond (in a crass way) to one point. Equating Boris Karloff Hollywood to the youth crime culture in NYC and other places is a little far but that is just an opinion. Even if that was the case you are just proving the point that crime culture was always a problem then.

no dude, you said that in the Brooklyn nets game they celebrated criinatly and thats some sort of 'new thing'.... I'm telling you that you just think its wrong if blacks do it where as whites doing it for centuries is ok.

http://www.themoviethemesong.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/The-Dukes-of-Hazzard-1.jpg

the verdict is, you are a racist.

[AnOldEnemy]

I disagree. I think a criminal trial would have at least shown that police officers and their actions are held to the same standard as the rest of us. The fact they weren't indicted (and almost never are) when private citizens are indicted in similar circumstances the vast vast majority of the time is in my opinion one the major factors driving current unrest

The other major factor being that minorities are disproportionately targeted by law enforcement.

Well, certainly trials can go either way, plenty of trials in NYC where one would think "Oh, definitely guilty (or innocent) wind up going the other way. As for minorities being targeted, well that is probably because most of the crime in NYC happens in minority neighborhoods like I said. Why this is the case would be an extremely hard task to pinpoint the exact causes but until those neighborhoods are considered low crime areas there will always be a bigger police force.

Most people who live in high rise project developments appreciate the fact that there are police patrolling the hallways and staircases. Like it or not the methods of mayor Giuliani and Bloomberg turned NYC from the crime-ridden city it was to the better city it is today. Crime in NYC is at all-time lows and anyone who has lived in NYC during the 80s will attest to that and again, like it or not, this was due to aggressive police procedures.

[jettle]

[QUOTE=jettle;1703708]

that is fucking straight up bullshit. Conservatives shut the fucking government down they complained so hard. Gimi a fucking break you neanderthals in the conservative party.

complaining.

I work for the government and I wasn't even hit by that. get over it.

[AnOldEnemy]

[QUOTE=jettle;1703708]

that is fucking straight up bullshit. Conservatives shut the fucking government down they complained so hard. Gimi a fucking break you neanderthals in the conservative party.

Going by your past posts I see it's almost impossible to have a regular discussion with you without you getting very emotional. That being said I will try to anyway :). First off, you assume a lot about me. I would ask you where I said one thing about conservatives or liberals. I don't identify with either party and the fact that you think either party is different from another is one of the major problems to begin with. Also, resorting to bad language and insults make you look like the "Neanderthal."

Also, I don't think I ever stated that I think its ok for white people to celebrate crime as opposed to blacks.

[jettle]

I didn't post that :( lol

[AnOldEnemy]

Yeah, it was meant for Iruinedyourday.

[jettle]

I never claimed a party either per say I was just pointing out what I see. liberals complain about everything and save face by saying whitey is guilty and the right is toblame and conservatives tell people to get over it and quit whining while also whining themselves....sheesh I got attacked, so rude :( :( :(

[AnOldEnemy]

no dude, you said that in the Brooklyn nets game they celebrated criinatly and thats some sort of 'new thing'.... I'm telling you that you just think its wrong if blacks do it where as whites doing it for centuries is ok.

http://www.themoviethemesong.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/The-Dukes-of-Hazzard-1.jpg

the verdict is, you are a racist.

This really doesn't even apply to my points. For this to be the same scenario as I mentioned it would mean that years back a sports venue was showing The Dukes of Hazard on the video screens or something, thus supporting that kind of behavior. As far as I can remember that wasn't happening.

[iruinedyourday]

[QUOTE=iruinedyourday;1703716]

Going by your past posts I see it's almost impossible to have a regular discussion with you without you getting very emotional. That being said I will try to anyway :). First off, you assume a lot about me. I would ask you where I said one thing about conservatives or liberals. I don't identify with either party and the fact that you think either party is different from another is one of the major problems to begin with. Also, resorting to bad language and insults make you look like the "Neanderthal."

Also, I don't think I ever stated that I think its ok for white people to celebrate crime as opposed to blacks.

1. you specifically said, liberals complaine and conservatives get on with thier lives. which i am specifically saying bullshit about.

2. you said that at a sporting event they played a rap song you thought celebrated criminality and that behavior has never been seen before, i am telling you that it has been around you always for as long as we have recorded history, and not until it was in a rap song did you think it was some bad thing that is causing problems across the nation all of the sudden. Which is why I am saying the double standard you hold black culture to next to white, confirms my suspicions that you are in fact, a racist.

now both of my previous response posts have very clearly said those two exact same things, so hopefully you can figure out how to read and comprehend them this time.

[AnOldEnemy]

[QUOTE=AnOldEnemy;1703724]

1. you specifically said, liberals complaine and conservatives get on with thier lives. which i am specifically saying bullshit about.

2. you said that at a sporting event they played a rap song you thought celebrated criminality and that behavior has never been seen before, i am telling you that it has been around you always for as long as we have recorded history, and not until it was in a rap song did you think it was some bad thing that is causing problems across the nation all of the sudden. Which is why I am saying the double standard you hold black culture to next to white, confirms my suspicions that you are in fact, a racist.

now both of my previous response posts have very clearly said those two exact same things, so hopefully you can figure out how to read and comprehend them this time.

1. I never said that. Jettle wrongly quoted and posted if you actually take the time to read.

2.Once again, you resort to personal attacks and assumptions which doesn't help your case. I'm not going to even bother continuing the conversation because it seems you always resort to this kind of behavior.

[AnOldEnemy]

Hmm, now I am screwing up the posts and quoting.

[jettle]

no, I said conservatives "tell people to get over it " not "get on with their lives"

so hopefully you can figure out how to read and comprehend them this time

well dang

[AnOldEnemy]

Also, had the song been a rock song or a country song glorifying murder and crime culture I would have called it out too. What is the genre most concerned with 187s and committing crime? I am colorblind when it comes to crime sorry to disappoint. Though, a large portion of the rap genre is concerned with this and you can't really deny it. Now I say a large portion not all.

[AnOldEnemy]

Thanks Jettle. Yeah this is getting a little convoluted now.

[iruinedyourday]

Hmm, now I am screwing up the posts and quoting.

im not personaly attacking you, im calling a spade a spade.

You are a racist, thats not an insult, its a fact.

if you want people to not call you a racist, dont hold the black community at a double standard and not bat an eye at whites celebrating criminality, then make a post about how its ruining america when its in a rap song.

Not insults... I am responding to your behavior.

[jettle]

anOldEnemy you have to remember....its 2014, the political correctness is a tad different. calling someone an N word and killing them because they talked to a white lady in a corner store is not heard of. but don't you dare call hip hop a negative on todays society you racist bigot. white people like you make me sick!

[iruinedyourday]

I never claimed a party either per say I was just pointing out what I see. liberals complain about everything and save face by saying whitey is guilty and the right is toblame and conservatives tell people to get over it and quit whining while also whining themselves....sheesh I got attacked, so rude :( :( :(

you cant say liberals complain and then complain about being attacked you hypocrite.

That is unless you are a self hating liberal.

The Conservative party shut down the government they complain so hard. You are wrong, your statement is incorrect and you are wrong.

not an attack, a fact.

lerberal = good

nonliberal = selfish ignorant sad hypocrite liar

[AnOldEnemy]

Alright, whatever makes you feel better. You obviously can't hold a conversation without letting your emotions get in the way. You know absolutely nothing about me as a person. In the real world you can't just resort to assumptions and personal opinion you need actual facts and evidence. I'm a racist lol, if only you knew. Thanks for the laugh.

[jettle]

that's weird, I work for the government I went to work the next day after the "shutdown".

im not a liberal actually but 99% of my friends are so I understand the constant torment you guys go through with the society we live in. how do you guys wake up in America and function?

[iruinedyourday]

Alright, whatever makes you feel better. You obviously can't hold a conversation without letting your emotions get in the way. You know absolutely nothing about me as a person. In the real world you can't just resort to assumptions and personal opinion you need actual facts and evidence. I'm a racist lol, if only you knew. Thanks for the laugh.

lol your the only one that here that cant let go of their emotions, you cant handle my response to your boldly ignorant statements about the rap song at the Brooklyn nets concert, admitting that maybe you had not thought your post through.. and have since only posted 1 thing, that you think my emotions are getting in the way.

perhaps it is you that is letting your emotions cloud your judgment.

[AnOldEnemy]

anOldEnemy you have to remember....its 2014, the political correctness is a tad different. calling someone an N word and killing them because they talked to a white lady in a corner store is not heard of. but don't you dare call hip hop a negative on todays society you racist bigot. white people like you make me sick!

:eek:

[AnOldEnemy]

lol your the only one that here that cant let go of their emotions, you cant handle my response to your boldly ignorant statements about the rap song at the Brooklyn nets concert, admitting that maybe you had not thought your post through.. and have since only posted 1 thing, that you think my emotions are getting in the way.

perhaps it is you that is letting your emotions cloud your judgment.

Coming from the person who cherry picked the ONE point of my post to discredit and imo didn't do a very good job of anyway. Now your just repeating what I'm saying nicely done.

Were going in circles! I'm a circle your a circle were all circles.

My emotion. I don't think I was the one throwing around accusations of racism on an anonymous internet forum, nor was I was the one using curse words and "Neanderthals" to try to further my argument.

[iruinedyourday]

that's weird, I work for the government I went to work the next day after the "shutdown".

im not a liberal actually but 99% of my friends are so I understand the constant torment you guys go through with the society we live in. how do you guys wake up in America and function?

oh that's weird you must be from the dimension where the republican conservative party, didnt shut down the government for 16 days in 2013... Im sorry I didnt know I was talking interdenominationaly

I mean seriously do you do anything but play everquest? you seriously want to call liberals complainers and conservatives people that think we should get on with our lives?

fox news is 100% devoted to complaining and its who conservatives would ask to write the fucking new constitution if they could.

liberals want to fix things

conservatives want to just bitch and scream and cry about how liberals are jerks

[iruinedyourday]

Coming from the person who cherry picked the ONE point of my post to discredit and imo didn't do a very good job of anyway. Now your just repeating what I'm saying nicely done.

My emotion. I don't think I was the one throwing around accusations of racism on an anonymous internet forum, nor was I was the one using curse words and "Neanderthals" to try to further my argument.

Im telling you, that what you said was racist. I told you WHY it was racist and instead of thinking critically about it, you just fly off the handle and call me an idiot and very hypocritically say I am posting only with my emotion.

Again, wrong.

Wrong isn't an insult, its a state of being.

[jettle]

here guy

"US military

The military's 1.4 million active-duty personnel will stay on duty, but their paychecks initially faced a threat of delay. Amid the division, the House passed – and Obama signed – a bill to ensure their checks would still be delivered on time. "You and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we're seeing in Congress," Obama said.

About half of the Defense Department's civilian employees are furloughed."

I live in that dimension where I stayed on duty. god im such a weirdo tehehehe!

and the guy who has like 21 posts on the forums is the guy who plays everquest alllll day. you are correct.

you do realize that 99% of my posts are just to jerk your chain lmao. brah I see where you are coming from 100% don't necessarily agree to an extent but relax man.

[Soandso]

I don't think I ever called you an idiot? This is pointless though. That's your opinion and you welcome to it. Let me try....you are a racist. Well I called you a racist that must mean you are a racist. You racist!

[Raev]

liberals want to fix things

Whenever progressives (I refuse to call them liberals when they are anti-liberty) try to fix things with big government, they make them worse. Then they talk about how they need more big government to fix the things they just broke.

Let's ask ourselves why this man was running an illegal cigarette ring. I'm going to guess its because a) he could make money on the black market while also collecting welfare and b) there is a large tax on cigarettes to discourage lung cancer.

[Soandso]

This is anoldenemy btw.

[iruinedyourday]

here guy

"US military

The military's 1.4 million active-duty personnel will stay on duty, but their paychecks initially faced a threat of delay. Amid the division, the House passed – and Obama signed – a bill to ensure their checks would still be delivered on time. "You and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we're seeing in Congress," Obama said.

About half of the Defense Department's civilian employees are furloughed."

I live in that dimension where I stayed on duty. god im such a weirdo tehehehe!

and the guy who has like 21 posts on the forums is the guy who plays everquest alllll day. you are correct.

you do realize that 99% of my posts are just to jerk your chain lmao. brah I see where you are coming from 100% don't necessarily agree to an extent but relax man.

http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/it.gif

[jettle]

did we just become best friends or nah? im trying to make my Friday night not so boring until I crack open these bottles of booze

[AnOldEnemy]

Is it really racist to say the majority rap music generally glorifies crime and violence

[iruinedyourday]

I don't think I ever called you an idiot? This is pointless though. That's your opinion and you welcome to it. Let me try....you are a racist. Well I called you a racist that must mean you are a racist. You racist!

if you gave me evidence as to why you called me a racist, I may step back and think.. shiit i just did say something pretty fucked up.

Im sure you could find something on this forum that looking at from the wrong direction could be considered racist.. hell you could say im racist against milk toast white people and be absolutely correct, I am slightly ashamed for that.

Go ahead call me a racist, its not calling me an asshole, its responding to something that I may have said or done that I may have not interpenetrated at the time as racist but actually is.

Its what happened to you, now stop acting like a victim and pick up yourself and get over it.

[Glenzig]

if you gave me evidence as to why you called me a racist, I may step back and think.. shiit i just did say something pretty fucked up.

Im sure you could find something on this forum that looking at from the wrong direction could be considered racist.. hell you could say im racist against milk toast white people and be absolutely correct, I am slightly ashamed for that.

Go ahead call me a racist, its not calling me an asshole, its responding to something that I may have said or done that I may have not interpenetrated at the time as racist but actually is.

Its what happened to you, now stop acting like a victim and pick up yourself and get over it.

I've found its best to just not talk to people like this. In real life that is. Its easier for everyone involved.

[AnOldEnemy]

You project a lot I think. Victim? I don't even know where you are coming from with this. I'm going to end the circle now though. I need to get back to all my racist things I have planned for tonight.

[AnOldEnemy]

I've found its best to just not talk to people like this. In real life that is. Its easier for everyone involved.

I agree!

[Glenzig]

You project a lot I think. Victim? I don't even know where you are coming from with this. I'm going to end the circle now though. I need to get back to all my racist things I have planned for tonight.

You would!

[iruinedyourday]

You guys not talking to me in real life is hugely kind on your part, I don't think I'd like to talk to you either!

[Glenzig]

You guys not talking to me in real life is hugely kind on your part, I don't think I'd like to talk to you either!

Possible. But I'm a real cool dude in real life and try to get along with pretty much everyone. So whatever ya jabroni!

[iruinedyourday]

Is it really racist to say the majority rap music generally glorifies crime and violence

No it's racist to say that that is some new thing and now all of the sudden it's what causes violence and to blame it as the reason Michael Brown was shot, ignoring the fact that criminality has been celebrated since the dawn of man.

You did not say rap music has violent lyrics you said it specifically is why our country is falling apart.

[jettle]

No it's racist to say that that is some new thing and now all of the sudden it's what causes violence and to blame it as the reason Michael Brown was shot, ignoring the fact that criminality has been celebrated since the dawn of man.

You did not say rap music has violent lyrics you said it specifically is why our country is falling apart.

I suck at this whole quoting thing and I don't really care....however, I didn't gather any of that from what he said...does that make me an idiot? I think he was just referring to hip hop culture not being that good for the youth or society. I personally wouldn't let my children listen to it nor would I let them listen to rock music with the same stuff, or country, or reggae, whatever the hell. im pretty sure he was just using an example from a basketball game he witnessed lol.

I don't have any kids either I was just saying.

*insert all kind of attacks now*

[Lictor]

http://static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/comments/south-park-rabble-rabble-rabbl-53b58d315aa49.jpg

[Psionide]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84376589/

TLDR

Only blacks have been or are being suppressed. Blacks cannot be racists. ALL white people are the devil. Blacks have now surpassed Jews as the all time oppressed people.

[Aviann]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84376589/

TLDR

Only blacks have been or are being suppressed. Blacks cannot be racists. ALL white people are the devil. Blacks have now surpassed Jews as the all time oppressed people.

Let them think we are the devil. I haven't met the idiot who'd be stupid enough to walk into the devil's house to steal a TV.

Call me a riotist.

[jettle]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84376589/

TLDR

Only blacks have been or are being suppressed. Blacks cannot be racists. ALL white people are the devil. Blacks have now surpassed Jews as the all time oppressed people.

that guy actually had a sack

[Aviann]

that guy actually had a sack

It takes metal to confront a Jewish tribe of black people when they are angry

[iruinedyourday]

It's a good thing everyone here is irrelevant.

How bout that solb though amirite?

[Aviann]

It's a good thing everyone here is irrelevant.

How bout that solb though amirite?

Since the circle of Veeshan banished Naggy to there for getting it on with a different color dragon, does that make them racist?

[jettle]

I think we read this to laugh our asses off, talk shit, laugh some more and keep going. isn't that the point?

[Sidelle]

I'll take a thug over you fat white loud filthy no job havin cargo shorts white socks pulled up to your knees Walmart god fearing Jesus loving bass fishing hunting gun worshiping scared outa your god damned mind xlarge soda drinking can't park fleece wearing hockey mom riding lawn mower Fox News parroting duck dynasty mother fuckers, any day of the week. Just fyi.
Lol not a bad rant. I chuckled. But you still seem crazy as fuck. 6/10
lerberal = good

nonliberal = selfish ignorant sad hypocrite liar
Ermahgerd lerberal?
fox news is 100% devoted to complaining and its who conservatives would ask to write the fucking new constitution if they could.

liberals want to fix things

conservatives want to just bitch and scream and cry about how liberals are jerks
Liberals want to fix things?? OHMYGOD WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO TO BEGIN WITH? I'm so happy and relieved there are people like you out there that can just "fix things" that are wrong with society. It's almost like you're arrogant enough to think we all agree on what's actually wrong with it, by the way. Oh that's right, your lefty opinion is always correct and the only one that matters. Silly me, I keep forgetting that liberals are the moral compass of us all now.

Incidentally, did you know people used to think they could "fix" gay people? Yeah, those people were wrong too so you're in good company. Lol

In case of TL;DR, the following gif can pretty much sum up all of your posts in this thread.

http://media.giphy.com/media/10ZpYZ4s9Qg15C/giphy.gif

[Sidelle]

I think we read this to laugh our asses off, talk shit, laugh some more and keep going. isn't that the point?
Good ol' RnF. It gives the cretins who can't be bothered to crack open a book something to read while pooping.

[MrSparkle001]

No, it's not vague. Choke holds are legal (i.e. not against the law), but they are against police policy.

and that's yet another thing I've heard conflicting reports on. I've heard that they teach it in the academy as the way to take people down and hold them and so what the cop did was exactly what he was trained to do.

I'm still not really happy about this though. He said he couldn't breathe and the cop never eased up. It may not be illegal but it's hard for a lot of people to come to terms with, certainly much harder than Wilson shooting Brown.

This case has a much greater chance of fed intervention than the Wilson-Brown case. I actually see the fed investigation resulting in charges whereas I don't see them charging Wilson with anything.

[iruinedyourday]

I think we read this to laugh our asses off, talk shit, laugh some more and keep going. isn't that the point?

Yea mostly I rabble. But half the shit I read I'm like that's so fucked up I gotta go on a rant.

And to sidelle, liberals look at the whole picture and come up with solutions that are fair to the most amount of people possible. So yea thanks your right being a liberal I know better than no libs -_0

[iruinedyourday]

did we just become best friends or nah? im trying to make my Friday night not so boring until I crack open these bottles of booze

also just saw this

http://media.theweek.com/img/generic/reilly-stepbrothers.gif

[jettle]

also just saw this

http://media.theweek.com/img/generic/reilly-stepbrothers.gif

lmao my bestfriend is a liberal and I am a libertarian...oh no I told on myself!! I guess this all makes sense...you must be him disguised!! lets go get some beer and chicken wings bro

[iruinedyourday]

lmao my bestfriend is a liberal and I am a libertarian...oh no I told on myself!! I guess this all makes sense...you must be him disguised!! lets go get some beer and chicken wings bro

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/sony/StepBrothers/StepBrothers_4lg.jpg

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Sorry if this comes off as crass, but this sounds like the people who were saying "Trayvon Martin was shot for having the audacity to wear a hoodie and buy some skittles." My guess is that there is more to the story. Either that, or there is now a person in jail for attempted murder.

Nah. He was just going to visit his girlfriend at the subway. Was a city cop who got transferred to our small town. He only lasted about a month in our town before he shot that guy, then I believe he got transferred out. Don't think he works as a cop anymore.

[jettle]

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/sony/StepBrothers/StepBrothers_4lg.jpg

its official, pick you up at 8!

[Aviann]

http://youtu.be/ucoK6KN1dzU

[Aviann]

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/sony/StepBrothers/StepBrothers_4lg.jpg

Saw someone in the PvP server that's pretending to be you. I was like naw man

[iruinedyourday]

Saw someone in the PvP server that's pretending to be you. I was like naw man

lol me? haha rad

[Pokesan]

being impersonated by Hurb is a great honor try to enjoy it my friend

[Orruar]

Nah. He was just going to visit his girlfriend at the subway. Was a city cop who got transferred to our small town. He only lasted about a month in our town before he shot that guy, then I believe he got transferred out. Don't think he works as a cop anymore.

So you're saying he was just walking down the street with a cell phone in his hand and the cop decided to shoot him? There's more to this story. Either the cop is in jail or he had a story for justifying the shooting. What would the cop say was the reason for the shooting?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Either the cop is in jail or he had a story for justifying the shooting.

That's being a little bit naive at this point bro.

[Orruar]

That's being a little bit naive at this point bro.

I didn't say the story was true, I just said he must have had one. If a cop shoots a completely innocent person for no apparent reason and they say "oops, not sure what happened", they end up in jail.

[iruinedyourday]

I didn't say the story was true, I just said he must have had one. If a cop shoots a completely innocent person for no apparent reason and they say "oops, not sure what happened", they end up in jail.

But if they say he looked like hulk hogan and was charging me, they get off Scott free.

[FoxxHound]

Saw someone in the PvP server that's pretending to be you. I was like naw man

You reds?

[Orruar]

But if they say he looked like hulk hogan and was charging me, they get off Scott free.

Right. I just want to know what the cop's story is. "My friend got shot for holding a cell phone at a Subway" is the kind of story a person has when they've smoked themselves stupid and think they're being clever.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Right. I just want to know what the cop's story is. "My friend got shot for holding a cell phone at a Subway" is the kind of story a person has when they've smoked themselves stupid and think they're being clever.

I agree actually. A woman was shot recently for simply honking her horn at a cop. Even in that case she did more than just stand there holding a phone at a subway. Not to imply she deserved it of course (I can't believe I have to clarify that to you sociopaths).

[iruinedyourday]

http://gawker.com/ferguson-da-claims-he-knew-witnesses-were-lying-let-th-1673343175

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://gawker.com/ferguson-da-claims-he-knew-witnesses-were-lying-let-th-1673343175

Archive you faggot so we can make fun of this shit. I'm not going to give them clicks just so I can make fun of their obvious narrative.

[iruinedyourday]

coward

[iruinedyourday]

fine u win coward

In his first interview since the non-indictment of Darren Wilson, St. Louis County District Attorney Bob McCulloch claims that he was well aware that several witnesses were not telling the truth, and that he allowed them to testify before the grand jury anyway.

Earlier this week, The Smoking Gun reported that Sandra McElroy, known as "Witness 40" in the Michael Brown shooting case, was a serial fabulist who in all likelihood was not even close to the scene of the crime. McElroy's testimony that she saw Brown "charge at the officer" "in a football position" most closely resembled Wilson's own version of events.

McCulloch was aware of—and perfectly fine with—such falsehoods masquerading as evidence, he said during an interview with local radio station KTRS.

[Arclyte]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/53813779.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

fine u win coward

In his first interview since the non-indictment of Darren Wilson, St. Louis County District Attorney Bob McCulloch claims that he was well aware that several witnesses were not telling the truth, and that he allowed them to testify before the grand jury anyway.

Earlier this week, The Smoking Gun reported that Sandra McElroy, known as "Witness 40" in the Michael Brown shooting case, was a serial fabulist who in all likelihood was not even close to the scene of the crime. McElroy's testimony that she saw Brown "charge at the officer" "in a football position" most closely resembled Wilson's own version of events.

McCulloch was aware of—and perfectly fine with—such falsehoods masquerading as evidence, he said during an interview with local radio station KTRS.

http://www.motherjones.com/files/pbsWitnessTestimonies.png
Go on...

[iruinedyourday]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/4df473d6acc7aba112b3b972f3ef9902323ddec0.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

That's what I thought.

[Supreme]

Mystery witness #40....

Yeah sounds legit.

[Secrets]

I'm not racist!
Racism is a crime!
And crime is for black people!

[Duckwalk]

Prosecutor should be facing sanction regarding ethics violation.

[iruinedyourday]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/04/eric-garner-indicted-cop-grand-juries-video-evidence

Before I go Id love to see how yall react to this article..

Grand juries were designed to be a check on prosecutors and law enforcement. Instead, they’ve become a corrupt shield to protect those with power and another sword to strike down those without. And it’s now all too obviously past time the system was overhauled to fix that.

Grand juries not resulting in indictments:

Police Officers: 80 of 81

Civilians: 11 of 162,000

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

What kind of reaction are you expecting to elicit with a month old article?

[iruinedyourday]

What kind of reaction are you expecting to elicit with a month old article?

I'm hoping that you die, slumped in your desk chair you got at the salvation army in your white walled apartment decorated with a single post card stuck above your desk with your own semen.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I got my chair at staples thank you very much. Kronos wire mesh, even on sale it was more than I should of spent.

[iruinedyourday]

I almost envy kaga, his ability to survive having not shot himself in the mouth over the awful life he must have.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I almost envy kaga, his ability to survive having not shot himself in the mouth over the awful life he must have.

Just thankful I'm not Chris-chan. Yet another cultural Marxist tranny who went full retard yesterday.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EflHHVROiSs

[Bboboo]

Holy christ this thread is 93 pages?

[radditsu]

Just thankful I'm not Chris-chan. Yet another cultural Marxist tranny who went full retard yesterday.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EflHHVROiSs

WTF did some asshole in gamestop ever do to a Tranny?


I really do not like my prescribed ideology lately.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

WTF did some asshole in gamestop ever do to a Tranny?


I really do not like my prescribed ideology lately.

They told him that he had to leave after repeated attempts at trying to vandalize product in the store. He's been arrested for exactly the same thing in the past.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Just thankful I'm not Chris-chan. Yet another cultural Marxist tranny who went full retard yesterday.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EflHHVROiSs

Who the fuck is chris chan? (god i want to punch myself for even typing that) The truly pathetic thing about it is how seriously you follow all this completely meaningless shit. Thank god you are as much a factor in real life as you are on eq.

Guess what? Video games as a whole belittle and objectify women, just as many other forms of media do. It's legit to criticize that. Your overreaction to that sentiment is off the wall insane and speaks to your mental health. It's like you are trying to get back at all the jocks that called you an anime-fag in high school by trying to act like a big tough man "calling out" the feminazis for... bringing up completely legitimate points? (Every argument you make is also in excessively bad faith and relies almost entirely on anecdotal evidence. The real tragedy is how many people on here don't immediately zero in on that. For shame forumorons.)

Guess what else half-wit fox news viewers? Fact-checkers show over and over that that network blatantly lies WAY more than any other media outlet. Not even going to link this because it should be common knowledge to you independent thinkers. Oh wait, all I saw from the p99 brain trust was "oh fox nexs is exactly like cnn and msnbc but conservative." NOPE.

Seriously, kill yourself. The less irrational, racist, faux-intellectual, mouth-breathing, unskilled, pedophile jerk offs on this planet the better.

ps - dug up your mom's coffin, and all i found was a note saying that she faked her death to "get away from that skinny little pussy Kagatobu, as he now calls himself." Says shes in Corpus Christi. Weird.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Who the fuck is chris chan? (god i want to punch myself for even typing that) The truly pathetic thing about it is how seriously you follow all this completely meaningless shit. Thank god you are as much a factor in real life as you are on eq.

Guess what? Video games as a whole belittle and objectify women, just as many other forms of media do. It's legit to criticize that. Your overreaction to that sentiment is off the wall insane and speaks to your mental health. It's like you are trying to get back at all the jocks that called you an anime-fag in high school by trying to act like a big tough man "calling out" the feminazis for... bringing up completely legitimate points? (Every argument you make is also in excessively bad faith and relies almost entirely on anecdotal evidence. The real tragedy is how many people on here don't immediately zero in on that. For shame forumorons.)

Guess what else half-wit fox news viewers? Fact-checkers show over and over that that network blatantly lies WAY more than any other media outlet. Not even going to link this because it should be common knowledge to you independent thinkers. Oh wait, all I saw from the p99 brain trust was "oh fox nexs is exactly like cnn and msnbc but conservative." NOPE.

Seriously, kill yourself.

Google is your friend (implying I knew who Chris-Chan was before I saw the video).

Baseless accusations will get you nowhere dude. Your refusal to site sources is too transparent a cover up of the fact that you simply have none.

Again a baseless accusation, sorry if you don't like the facts but facts don't lie. All mainstream media is shit, deal with it.

No. I'd become immortal if it were only to piss you off.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Your refusal to site sources is too transparent a cover up of the fact that you simply have none.



rofl google it lackwit nerdlinger. wanna be taken seriously better lrn sum factz.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

For someone who loves to constantly point out how shitty others have it, you are one angry son of a bitch aren't you?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

For someone who loves to constantly point out how shitty others have it, you are one angry son of a bitch aren't you?

Say uncle again bitch.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Guess what? Video games as a whole belittle and objectify everyone, just as many other forms of media do. It's pretty pointless to criticize that. The time it took for there to be a reaction to that sentiment is off the wall insane and speaks to Society's mental health. It's like you've seen this going on for a decade but decided to shut the fuck up about it because nobody else made it a big deal until recently when feminists decided to take over the hobby yet can't bring up a single legitimate point? (Every argument you make is factual and relies almost entirely on sourced or easily researched information. The real tragedy is that I didn't immediately zero in on that. For shame.)

Fixt faggot.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

hold on, changing my profile for you... so deluded... so angry.... so childish.... which would make sense for a white trash pedo outcast like you. pick up that gun little man....

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Well, eventually i will change my avatar to reflect my disdain and general contempt of your most inferior personage.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

while im trying to fix this, i would like to once again point tout that you should already be dead from sheer cognitive dissonance. star trek nerd, but stands diametrically opposed to the character and ethos of the authors. fox news watching retard - but is an anime fairy that sean hannity would love to stuff into a locker. When is it finally just going to come to "kagatob wants to live, but kagatob knows he should die, BANG!" lol you little shit.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Dem triple posts of anger.

He thinks I watch cable news, how cute.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

You used the word "libtard," so you either only listen to am talk radio or get your news from fox. Or i guess those hilarious websites with ads for gold and guns in the sidebar. Nobody that matters takes people like you seriously.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Libtard, Teabagger, they are one in the same, puritanical extremists who don't know how to think for themselves.

Learn to think beyond your narrow binaries.

[Patriam1066]

Lol detroit you're a dick dude. You might be right about kagatob, no idea because I have him ignored, but you also should seek help. Bringing up people's dead mothers and then acting like you're intellectually superior is laughable. Ever heard of emotional intelligence? People who aren't retards don't suggest that others should kill themselves or refer to exhuming dead mommies

Also, you can't watch a show and disagree with it? What kind of stupid ass assertion is that. I guess when I watch silence of the lambs, I should aspire to become a serial killing cannibal on account of me loving Anthony Hopkins' portrayal of Hannibal. You're probably the most ideological person on this planet, congratulations...
Hate to tell you though, that Chic-fil-a that you refuse to eat tastes amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX_Lqy_ySTA

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

http://epicski.onthesnow.com/content/type/61/id/93928/width/480/height/319

[Patriam1066]

I just went and got chic fil a breakfast. It's amazing

[Glenzig]

I just went and got chic fil a breakfast. It's amazing

Chick-fil-a is gross. Don't care at all about their religious leanings or whatnot. Its just overpriced low quality poorly done fried chicken. If I had to be forced to eat fast food fried chicken, Zaxby's is actually much better. But I hate fast food with a passion.

[Patriam1066]

Chick-fil-a is gross. Don't care at all about their religious leanings or whatnot. Its just overpriced low quality poorly done fried chicken. If I had to be forced to eat fast food fried chicken, Zaxby's is actually much better. But I hate fast food with a passion.

We don't have zaxbys here, or at least I've never heard of it. I don't like fast food either, chic fil a is the only one I eat at. I take my dog there every Saturday for chicken nuggets

[Sidelle]

What's wrong with you people? Go start your own goddamn troll threads. :cool: