Michael Brown

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

white people rioting over stupid shit.

https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots

yall are stupid racists btw enjoy your thread.

Congratulations, you've pointed out that white people can be stupid too.

On that thought can we also cry outrage when the riot police shut those down too or is muh privilege in the way?

[Misto]

Lol Holy Shit 51 pages.

[Fael]

Misread your post Dolic, I don't know how to fix it but it's hard to deny its easily manipulatable.

Yeah, i mean it sort of is what it is.

The democrat prosecutor in Missouri can always be fired; but it appeared to me that it was fair; and the evidence / investigation will be open for all to see.

I'd rather have a jury do it than give an ambitious prosecutor full discretion.

I am not sure what other methods are available ... because I don't think we want a situation where the state can just start charging people out of suspicion; such that they can then execute police power to seize and hold them, take their money, and otherwise turn their lives upside down.

On the face of it, it seems amazing that an armed policeman would fear for his life. But it also seems rediculous that Brown would steal some hot swisher sweets, mug someone, then walk in the middle of the street, ignore the cop ordering him to the side of the road, then attempt to grab his gun from within his car (the physical evidence is damning).... the only real dispute seemed to be what happened when stopped at the corner... whether he turned around, charged him, held his hands up, etc.

If he held up his hands and said don't shoot... then what the officer did was murder. He should go to jail; although I wouldn't feel that sorry for Brown to be honest. And I would not feel sorry for his parents, who raised a pathetic son who was not prepared to live in our civilized society.

That said, it seems that the jury did not find the foregoing credible; and that the credible evidence suggested that he charged at the cop, stopped briefly once he was shot at, and then charged at him again.

I don't know all the evidence; but the 9-12 people that did came to that conclusion it seems.

If the prosecution distorted evidence and advocated, then there is recourse for that. The file will be open.

Also, the browns can get their wergeld by filing a complaint for wrongful death. That was the old way of doing things... and we still have that available.

Dolic

[Misto]

Anyone taking bets on which state will have the next Black Riots for 2015?

[Duckwalk]

I'm guessing white riots in the south eastern part of the country after auburn beats bama and ole miss beats miss st and the SEC misses the first CFP.

[Lictor]

I'm guessing white riots in the south eastern part of the country after auburn beats bama and ole miss beats miss st and the SEC misses the first CFP.

Free crab legs for all!!! Oh wait wrong team.

[toolshed]

i'm so white I went out and bought a TV last night in ferguson

are you seriously just reposting shit you saw on reddit? holy fuck

[Portasaurus]

are you seriously just reposting shit you saw on reddit? holy fuck

no no no it wasn't reddit it was something i saw on a live stream

[Portasaurus]

reddit is for kids and hipsters

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Plebbit

[toolshed]

Plebbit

is that what 4chan is calling it now?

[Sidelle]

white people rioting over stupid shit.

https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots

yall are stupid racists btw enjoy your thread.
Oh, here we go again... Being called racist yet again for not agreeing with YOU, the quintessential white-guilt liberal. Aside from a few troll posts, I thought most of us were having a reasonably civilized discussion. (Until you posted and called us all racists, that is...)

So I've decided to give you a reason -- if only for one brief moment -- to justifiably call me a racist for something I've said with complete seriousness. (See spoiler, obviously...)

GO FUCK YOURSELF VIOLENTLY WITH A GIANT BLACK DILDO.

(And it can't be a more gentle WHITE one, either. It MUST be BLACK and FUCKING ANGRY -- for social justice purposes, of course.)
Alrighty, I'm done. Have a lovely evening, all.

:)

[Nocsucow]

PANTS UP DONT LOOT

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

halfchan

Speaking of plebs.

[Portasaurus]

4chan and reddit are at war with each other? for real??

oh god that is so adorable!!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

halfchan and reddit

Are one in the same now. Welcome to over 3 months ago. Fucking plebs abound today.

[toolshed]

what are the hot new edgy kids on these days? chive? ugh so last year tho!

[toolshed]

seriously i want the most 'intellectual' conversations with the widest array of 'libertarians' there is today

free markets but with social justice - but selective social justice because i want to be able to not notice systemic discrimination and be racist when i want to

[Portasaurus]

Are one in the same now. Welcome to over 3 months ago. Fucking plebs abound today.

don't you get it?

NOT knowing what the hell these idiots do or what they call it is the real cool

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Using the internet to brag about my ignorance of the internet.

[Portasaurus]

wuts a inter net

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

It's almost as if you don't realize just how much everyone here despises and looks down on you. Fuckin crazy.

[Patriam1066]

seriously i want the most 'intellectual' conversations with the widest array of 'libertarians' there is today

free markets but with social justice - but selective social justice because i want to be able to not notice systemic discrimination and be racist when i want to

I'm curious, why did OJ get off, and why isn't cosby in chains? Could it be that the system is flawed and it favors cops, the rich, etc? Does it always have to be racism?

[toolshed]

the system is flawed and it favors the rich

ding ding ding

Although there *is* systemic racism inherent to the justice system: blacks bet arrested more often than whites for the same crime, get worst plea bargains than whites, get harsher sentences for the same crime than whites, and get the death penalty more often for the same crime than whites.

Just as systemic racism led to blacks not receiving mortgages from the FHA, which pushed them into renting more --> not able to pass on the wealth of a home to their children --> black people have, per capita, less wealth than whites on average:
"Among households with positive wealth growth during the 25-year study period, as shown in Figure 2, the number of years of homeownership accounts for 27 percent of the difference in relative wealth growth between white and African-American families, the largest portion of the growing wealth gap" Link: http://iasp.brandeis.edu/pdfs/Author/shapiro-thomas-m/racialwealthgapbrief.pdf

The most honest thing that one can do is acknowledge the systemic racism that has existed - not wiping it all clean with a 'ah shucks we all started from the same spot' that i see a lot of libertarians support

[Sidelle]

The most honest thing that one can do is acknowledge the systemic racism that has existed - not wiping it all clean with a 'ah shucks we all started from the same spot' that i see a lot of libertarians support
I agree that systematic racism exists and there is no way it can be wiped clean, but another honest thing that one can do is admit that the race card is way fucking overused and people get really sick of that shit after a while. Here's a prime example of what I'm fed up with: I've been repeatedly and unfairly labelled a racist just for saying I think Obama is a bad president. Wtf is that shit about? I don't agree with the way he does things so I'm a racist... LOL

[toolshed]

I do not like Obama's presidency either and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin

[Aviann]

Also I find Aviann as obnoxious as Altari so maybe I'm quick to rip on him.

R&F needs an edit function.

Jesus H Christ! Are you still mad because I outed you in front of everyone about the oilfield? Hey bro, get the fuck over it.

[Lictor]

Those posts directed at you just flew over your head huh? It's ok

[Aviann]

Those posts directed at you just flew over your head huh? It's ok

Its not that they flew over my head, its just that... well....

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/81/81ed1c25dca311d70fe0a8477d14b897b7ed43952f073d7ce4 53afe4b92dcfac.jpg

[Pokesan]

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if I call you racist for disliking Obama, it's because I don't think you're capable of understanding politics on higher level than us vs them teams garbage.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if I call you racist for disliking Obama, it's because I don't think you're capable of understanding politics on higher level than us vs them teams garbage.

I wouldn't say he's garbage, but he certainly isn't worth his weight in shit. I'm a centrist though, I also voted for Hillary in the primary so...

Am I still racist/sexist?

[Pokesan]

You aren't a centrist. I say this as someone who voted for Bush in 2004.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You aren't a centrist. I say this as someone who voted for Bush in 2004.

I'm slight left of center with some libertarian lean according to several polititests. What would you call me?

[Pokesan]

An idiot who takes online political tests seriously

POKESAN OUT

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

K

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

On topic, finally catching some of the live coverage of tonight's protests. These white kids need hobbies. I don't know what's worse, the masses lack of understanding of what "justice" actually is, or the news reporting referring to the obstruction of major highways cross country as "beautiful".

[toolshed]

democracy is a beautiful thing

[toolshed]

and by democracy i mean the ancient greek government - not this plutocratic bullshit we have now in the US

[Patriam1066]

and by democracy i mean the ancient greek government - not this plutocratic bullshit we have now in the US

Yeah, greece was awesome. Like how women and slaves couldn't vote in Athens.

[Sidelle]

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if I call you racist for disliking Obama, it's because I don't think you're capable of understanding politics on higher level than us vs them teams garbage.
Jesus... You are such an insufferable elitist twat. And do I detect a bit of sexism too? Whatever you are, it's really fucking nauseating.

TL;DR -- Fuck off.

[Sidelle]

Yeah, greece was awesome. Like how women and slaves couldn't vote in Athens.
LOL!

[Misto]

Yeah, greece was awesome. Like how women and slaves couldn't vote in Athens.

AKA when America was in its prime.

[toolshed]

Yeah, greece was awesome. Like how women and slaves couldn't vote in Athens.

check out lot voting - pretty cool idea

[FoxxHound]

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1371011-witness-40-journal-entry.html

eyewitness account of michael brown charging the cop after holding his arms out with attitude not compliance

pwned

This guy should have been shot if that was the case. Then at least I'd have something nice to watch on Liveleaks.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=832569273423146

[toolshed]

sooo why cant black people open carry? seems white people do it all the time and even confront police officers when the police start questioning then

[Swish]

sooo why cant black people open carry? seems white people do it all the time and even confront police officers when the police start questioning then

Because rap/hip hop culture.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

sooo why cant black people open carry? seems white people do it all the time and even confront police officers when the police start questioning then

So you bought that story created by the mainstream media too huh? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvBQDHqdCck)

[Peatree]

sooo why cant black people open carry? seems white people do it all the time and even confront police officers when the police start questioning then

Depending on the state pretty much anyone can open carry some type of firearm. That is unless you are a felon ( which Michael Brown was not ).

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiRoRtdiSg&app=desktop
One word to describe the driver of this car. Hero. :D

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Normally I'm not a fan of this kind of thing but I couldn't resist.
http://i.imgur.com/zeJol9x.jpg

[Misto]

You couldn't resist, because it is fucking true.

[katrik]

Normally I'm not a fan of this kind of thing but I couldn't resist.
http://i.imgur.com/zeJol9x.jpg

A+

[Glenzig]

The "He din no nuffins" one got me.

[Itap]

Lol @ getting his life on track, dude robbed a store 10 minutes before his death

[Sidelle]

"Cat 3 chimpout in Ferguson imminent"

Oh dear... Lol

[iruinedyourday]

You guys are trash

[radditsu]

I hate you all.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You guys are trash

Your best friend helped create and manage a pick-up-artist group. Your opinion is invalid. (http://guardianlv.com/2014/11/anita-sarkeesian-unmasked-feminist-icon-or-con-artist/)

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Your best friend helped create and manage a pick-up-artist group. Your opinion is invalid. (http://guardianlv.com/2014/11/anita-sarkeesian-unmasked-feminist-icon-or-con-artist/)

At least he has friends. Eat a gun Kagatob.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Y U So obsessed wit me?

[Pokesan]

I'm just glad we have a 57 page thread celebrating the death of a young man.

godbless

[Itap]

I'm just glad we have a 57 page thread celebrating the death of a young man.

godbless

young men and women die every single day all over the world, what the fuck makes this so special.

[Aviann]

*****s be wild

why cant criminals punch cops? i dont understand it... the poor young thief

[LulzSect]

I better blindly trust what the police man says, it must be true!

[Aviann]

I better blindly trust what the police man says, it must be true!

Or at least the evidence and testimonies of the witniss, right?

[LulzSect]

I better blindly trust the reported evidence and testimonies of the "witness", it must be true or the news wouldn't say so!

[Aviann]

I better blindly trust the given evidence

[LulzSect]

Given by whom? Cite your sources.

[Aviann]

regardless, never blindly trust anyone or anything but your gut.

[LulzSect]

And there it is.

[Aviann]

Given by whom? Cite your sources.

http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

BLAM

[Aviann]

And there it is.

THERE it is sucka. Quit trying to hate on me when you know I am right. We could be friends, but your like noooooo fuck that guy for no particular reason.

[PDX0621]

Oddly appropriate, even 20 years later.

April 26th, 1992, there was a riot on the streets
Tell me, where were you?
You were sittin home, watchin your TV
While I was paticipatin in some anarchy

First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I cant afford
With red lights flashin, time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire

Next stop, we hit it was the music shop
It only took one brick to make that window drop
Finally we got our own P.A., where do you think
I got this guitar that youre hearing today? Hey

When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day my livin rooms been more comfortable

'Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
Its getting harder and harder and harder each and every year
Some kids went in a store with their mother
I saw her when she came out she was gettin' some pampers

They said, it was for the black man
They said, it was for the Mexican and not for the white man
But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King
Its this ****ed up situation and these ****ed up police

Its about coming up and staying on top
And screamin, "187" on a mother****in cop
Its not written on the paper its on the wall
National Guard smoke from all around

[LulzSect]

http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

BLAM

Cool doctored evidence bro. Guess it must be true if the police provided this data! They wouldn't lie, would they?

[Aviann]

Cool doctored evidence bro. Guess it must be true if the police provided this data! They wouldn't lie, would they?

It just so happens that police tend to gather evidence as well as detectives, whom can be involved in the police force, in most cases. The problem wasn't the entire police force in question, it was about one man shooting another and then someone threw a race flag into it while it was already heated because one of the men was a cop.

I do believe we are becoming more and more a police state and I hate it, but I believe that this cop could have taken different actions in order to stop him, but he feared for his life. Judging by the size of Michael, its easy to believe. It is sad that the boy was shot and killed, and the cop definitely could've done something in homage to the boy's family if allowed. The cop doesn't belong in jail,though, maybe take away his right to a badge.

[LulzSect]

Got it, you sanction the killing of unarmed black men. Thank you for the clarification.

[Lune]

It just so happens that police tend to gather evidence as well as detectives, whom can be involved in the police force, in most cases. The problem wasn't the entire police force in question, it was about one man shooting another and then someone threw a race flag into it while it was already heated because one of the men was a cop.

I do believe we are becoming more and more a police state and I hate it, but I believe that this cop could have taken different actions in order to stop him, but he feared for his life. Judging by the size of Michael, its easy to believe. It is sad that the boy was shot and killed, and the cop definitely could've done something in homage to the boy's family if allowed. The cop doesn't belong in jail,though, maybe take away his right to a badge.

Don't feed the trolls unless they are good trolls

that is not a good one

[Aviann]

Don't feed the trolls unless they are good trolls

that is not a good one

Yea... after his last post I believe I am done this conversation with him.

[Portasaurus]

Dead horse is dead.

Had to unsubscribe from this.

Need to prioritize FQ time better. Could have posted tens of soup pictures in the time I took reading some of this.

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/b6/b633f9e65c926deecc363edacaecd077172e8ae63d7379a094 d217669f8d3856.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Oddly appropriate, even 20 years later.

April 26th, 1992, there was a riot on the streets
Tell me, where were you?
You were sittin home, watchin your TV
While I was paticipatin in some anarchy

First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I cant afford
With red lights flashin, time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire

Next stop, we hit it was the music shop
It only took one brick to make that window drop
Finally we got our own P.A., where do you think
I got this guitar that youre hearing today? Hey

When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day my livin rooms been more comfortable

'Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
Its getting harder and harder and harder each and every year
Some kids went in a store with their mother
I saw her when she came out she was gettin' some pampers

They said, it was for the black man
They said, it was for the Mexican and not for the white man
But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King
Its this ****ed up situation and these ****ed up police

Its about coming up and staying on top
And screamin, "187" on a mother****in cop
Its not written on the paper its on the wall
National Guard smoke from all around

Shit was fucked up back then and shit's fucked up still, it's not gonna get better. People will continue to ignore evidence and facts and thanks to the race baiting media, choose to instead appeal to their emotions.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

http://media.salon.com/2014/11/darren_wilson.jpg

"The third punch might have killed me" Go fuck yourselves. You are all simply racist sheep.

[Aviann]

http://media.salon.com/2014/11/darren_wilson.jpg

"The third punch might have killed me" Go fuck yourselves. You are all simply racist sheep.

Nay. I am a mixture, and see no differential in colors.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

sheep

http://www.thereturnedmissionary.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Inigo-Montoya-WORD-MEANS.jpg
You are in fact, describing yourself right now.

[MrSparkle001]

http://i.imgur.com/1UJEly2.jpg

[ganedar]

why should the civilized world care if a piece of shit "thug" is dead?

[MrSparkle001]

why should the civilized world care if a piece of shit "thug" is dead?

Because they don't have all the facts and evidence, they simply see a white cop shooting an unarmed black teen.

I like how they're blaming the prosecutor now, even saying he gave the grand jury "too much evidence." Yes I actually heard that complaint multiple times.

[Itap]

"The third punch might have killed me" Go fuck yourselves. You are all simply racist sheep.

I remember when trolling meant something

[Daldaen]

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2495742/table-finalfinalup4.0.png

Gonna leave this here.

[LulzSect]

Yea... after his last post I believe I am done this conversation with him.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/isvYdKMMsTY/hqdefault.jpg

[Duckwalk]

Jesus H Christ! Are you still mad because I outed you in front of everyone about the oilfield? Hey bro, get the fuck over it.

What did you "out about the oilfield"?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2495742/table-finalfinalup4.0.png

Gonna leave this here.

Source?

[Aviann]

What did you "out about the oilfield"?

That you are nothing but a third-party paper pusher wannabe who probably has never gotten his hands dirty before. You kind of proved that for me.

[Duckwalk]

First : Scalia is a pretty smart guy, if a complete asshole in person.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/26/3597322/justice-scalia-explains-what-was-wrong-with-the-ferguson-grand-jury/

Second: That you are nothing but a third-party paper pusher wannabe who probably has never gotten his hands dirty before. You kind of proved that for me.

If by 3rd party paper pusher you mean the person who organizes field wide units then contracts with your company to come drill then you are correct.

Congratulations on being the concessions employee sneering at the front office because they don't physically handle those hotdogs.

P.S. Snake bite piercings do not impress your boss's boss (me).

[NegaStoat]

Gonna leave this here.

I'm not too surprised with the chart, or question its accuracy. Eyewitness testimony is shit, especially in dramatic fast paced situations like this.

[Aviann]

Second:

If by 3rd party paper pusher you mean the person who organizes field wide units then contracts with your company to come drill then you are correct.

Congratulations on being the concessions employee sneering at the front office because they don't physically handle those hotdogs.

P.S. Snake bite piercings do not impress your boss's boss (me).

I believe those contracts are simply written up by you to standards and passed by the owners or directors of the companies themselves. I don't want for a contractor, we have our own attorneys, therefore you are null and void. You aren't an extension of my job, you aren't needed, you are just an out of state paper-pusher. My front office treats me well, I have no reason to sneer at them. I sneer at you simply because you are a fucking moron.

If its any consolation, my boss's boss thought it was hilarious that I wear rubber jewelry in my ears and cut o-rings in my lip for safety, and deemed it safe to work with, but I still remove the lip rings out of respect during my hitch. I'm not trying to impress you, nor would I want to. You are a piece of shit. Why anyone would want to impress you? Beats me.

Also for the last time, because you don't seem to know how to read... We don't deal in Texas, Gulf-pride, fuck Texas, that is all.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

This is the worst thread ever. Idiot racists, idiot low-self esteem lawyer fighting with aviann, aviann's goddamn ugly fucking starface over and over, interspersed with actual facts that will be ignored by the racist idiots so that there is a pall of futility cast over the whole sad scene. Seriously I hate you guys this place is so sad now. Bring back 4thmeal and the drugtripper guy.

[Sidelle]

This is the worst thread ever. Idiot racists, idiot low-self esteem lawyer fighting with aviann, aviann's goddamn ugly fucking starface over and over, interspersed with actual facts that will be ignored by the racist idiots so that there is a pall of futility cast over the whole sad scene. Seriously I hate you guys this place is so sad now. Bring back 4thmeal and the drugtripper guy.

It's time for some lovin' in this thread.

http://2ksjbh44hk54113rf2pk9bis06.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tumblr64.gif

http://2ksjbh44hk54113rf2pk9bis06.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/giphy-24.gif

http://cdn1.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0513/funny-avengers-gif-let-me-love-you.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu9wab8nrV1r0ojhto1_500.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/e1293a90ede35b7013ce6262943f8a2c/tumblr_ml3tlz1GwX1rzzsdko1_500.gif

[Aviann]

This is the worst thread ever. Idiot racists, idiot low-self esteem lawyer fighting with aviann, aviann's goddamn ugly fucking starface over and over, interspersed with actual facts that will be ignored by the racist idiots so that there is a pall of futility cast over the whole sad scene. Seriously I hate you guys this place is so sad now. Bring back 4thmeal and the drugtripper guy.

man I thought we were alright? What's a starface?

[Aviann]

It's time for some lovin' in this thread.

http://2ksjbh44hk54113rf2pk9bis06.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tumblr64.gif

http://2ksjbh44hk54113rf2pk9bis06.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/giphy-24.gif

http://cdn1.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0513/funny-avengers-gif-let-me-love-you.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu9wab8nrV1r0ojhto1_500.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/e1293a90ede35b7013ce6262943f8a2c/tumblr_ml3tlz1GwX1rzzsdko1_500.gif

i want you to love me this way

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

You I got no problem with I guess but I your sig staring at me 40 times a thread fucking creeps me out.

[Aviann]

You I got no problem with I guess but I your sig staring at me 40 times a thread fucking creeps me out.

ill change it soon, prolly to my main. he looks like robocop[

[Sidelle]

i want you to love me this way
http://i.imgur.com/LU7NYku.jpg

[Aviann]

http://i.imgur.com/LU7NYku.jpg

omg can you imagine a robot sucking your dick?

[Alunova]

I'm not getting into this, but I had one question about witness 45, how can someone be on the ground, kneeling and running away with his hands up? Am I reading that wrong?

[DarkwingDuck]

Until the same shits are given for every case, I could care less.
Literally a couple days later an innocent white male, no weapon, was shot and killed by police in Utah, while listening to headphone.
Fucking pathetic, get a handle on ur cops, or riot and burn all ur cities to the ground

[Swish]

nuke the site from orbit... its the only way to be sure.

[Patriam1066]

omg can you imagine a robot sucking your dick?

Pretty sure Sidelle is a female. so no, probably can't imagine that....

Also Texas is legit dude. Louisiana's GDP in descending order:
1. Food stamps
2. FEMA
3. Meth
4. Duck dynasty

I kid. But for real, I lived in Shreveport and all I have to say is it's worse than Iran.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Texas!

Sexy teenagers!

http://progressivecynic.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/teen-birth-rates-total.jpg?w=812

Also lots of stupid people!

"Texas's high schools rank slightly below average in 27th place, behind those in all other states with technology centers including (in order of rank) Massachusetts, California and Virginia (all first-tier), and New Jersey, New York, Colorado, Arizona, Washington, North Carolina and New Mexico.
So why is this the case? I have two ideas. First, Texas law allegedly requires that at least half of school spending be spent on administrative overhead, assuring wasteful inefficiency. Next, the Texas state board of education continues to defy the United States Supreme Court in insisting that creationism (or "intelligent design", as the idea is now called) be taught in its public schools.
The University of Texas at Austin is one of the two largest "single-campus" universities in the United States. (The university operates several satellite facilities in Austin that are physically separated from its main campus.) The university appears to be very good academically, but ranks only 47th nationally. This may be due to a state law (which may soon be revoked) that guarantees admission to any state university to the top 10% of the state's high school students, requiring the university to now admit about 75% of its incoming freshmen from the state's below-average high schools."

SECEDE ALREADY

[Robbintha Hood]

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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Something you'll never see reported on the mainstream media. (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/29/Black-Ferguson-Residents-Armed-With-AR-15s-Save-White-Owned-Business)

[Sidelle]

Excellent. Too bad the media typically ignores stories like this. Oh wait, they're too busy race-baiting.
A group of black Ferguson residents armed with AR-15s and other weapons stood guard around a Conoco station, owned by a white man, and saved it from being burned after looters began wreaking havoc on November 24.
Because of the armed citizens, the Conoco was not only spared, but the owner did not even have to board up the station's windows.
According to Reuters, one of the men guarding the station was 37-year-old "Derrick Jordan--'Stretch,' as his friends call him." He arrived in front of the Conoco, pulled out an AR-15, and stood guard at the store's entrance. He was joined by three other black residents on November 25--all of whom had "pistols tucked into their waistbands" and all of whom took up positions around the Conoco.
Other armed black men joined Jordan and the others from time to time to help keep guard. They protected not only the building, but also citizens who pulled up to get gas.
Store owner Doug Merello said, "We would have been burned to the ground many times over if it weren't for them."
Jordan and the others said they did not get paid to stand guard. Rather, they did it because Merello had "employed many of them over the years and treats them with respect."

[Swish]

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haha

[Cookiefist]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvsBMynCUAAcMzG.jpg

Here comes a forum riot!

[Pokesan]

eh i kinda think you're super fucked up for liking that pic.

it's a guy, freshly dead, from being shot to death by cop

gross

[Swish]

eh i kinda think you're super fucked up for liking that pic.

it's a guy, freshly dead, from being shot to death by cop

gross

Dark humor has its place in RNF, if you like your internet censored then head here (www.aol.com) <3

[Pokesan]

tell me more about how funny the bloodstained street is

a human being died and you're laughing about it

[PartVI]

Human beings die every day. Many of them in slower, more gruesome and preventable ways than that. Quit being dramatic.

It's a shame someone died but you fuck with a cop like the evidence suggests homeboy did and try to take his gun... That's what you should expect as a result.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Human beings die every day. Many of them in slower, more gruesome and preventable ways than that. Quit being dramatic.

It's a shame someone died but you fuck with a cop like the evidence suggests homeboy did and try to take his gun... That's what you should expect as a result.

Shh... that goes against the SJW narrative.

[Smedy]

why don't you people just put cameras on your police, that would solve most of these problems

[Swish]

tell me more about how funny the bloodstained street is

a human being died and you're laughing about it

http://www.thedrum.com/uploads/drum_basic_article/124262/main_images/itv%20rigby%20murder_0.jpg

Muslims killed a soldier on London's streets earlier this year (Lee Rigby). The difference was he didn't provoke anyone or do anything wrong or commit any crimes.... other than be a British soldier walking down the street.

Michael Brown however? Much different, and I don't get why there's so much media attention on it other than the "white cop shoots black guy" angle...and everyone goes crazy.

[Itap]

I don't understand how this thread is still going. Innocent men, women, and children die every single day all over the world. Murdered for their religious beliefs, economic status, or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Brown was a fucking thug who literally had just robbed a convenience store before assaulting a police officer and attempting to take his gun.

In 2014 alone, 105 US police officers killed in the line of duty, 80 US firefighters killed in the line of duty, and at least 40 US military members KIA. Where the fuck are your bleeding hearts for them? Were their deaths justified?

[Misto]

The thread is still going because of how ignorant black people are in America.

This kid was an asshole smoking a blunt and walking down the middle of the street. The police officer pulled him and his friend over.

The fat kid hit the cop, the cop probably didn't even know why he did. He just did. Probably, dazed and confused the cop shot the big fat ****** in his head.

The end.

[Pokesan]

the london fellow and the other post are also bad and should not be considered funny

i do not enjoy your point about michael brown deserving to die, that was not very good

[Priceline]

Michael Brown however? Much different, and I don't get why there's so much media attention on it other than the "white cop shoots black guy" angle...and everyone goes crazy.

It's all in the verbiage, had the "news" reports gone with something like 'Teen robs convenience store, attacks responding officer and gets shot to death' it would've gone over just fine. Heck I'm sure LA gets those stories every day.

Instead we got 'WHITE cop kills unarmed BLACK teen' and Jessie Jackson just showed up in Seattle talking about equality...

[derpcake]

Darwin says "told you so".

[derpcake]

The protests could have been a great opportunity to round up some people. Can't have it all I guess.

Michael Brown supporters are doing everything possible to confirm the stereotypes.

Classy how they honored Browns memory by looting the same store he stole from. Also like destruction of private property, stores, etc.

Next week they can bitch about how shitty Ferguson looks, how there are only idiots living there & how there isn't any employment.

Please continue to shit in your own food, while supported by a bunch of (white) baboons. Its entertaining when watched from far enough. Thx ocean.

[Patriam1066]

why don't you people just put cameras on your police, that would solve most of these problems

And then we're all being filmed walking down the street. No thanks Orwell

[derpcake]

why don't you people just put cameras on your police, that would solve most of these problems

I don't see any problem.

When you see "an officer of the law", you need to be polite and cooperate.

You do not run at them and try to slap them. That is a shitty idea, and it might get you beaten if not shot.

Where is the problem? Is there a problem when some idiot drinks bleach? If anything humanity should cheer at the prospect of a superior gene-pool.

[derpcake]

I'm not getting into this, but I had one question about witness 45, how can someone be on the ground, kneeling and running away with his hands up? Am I reading that wrong?

You never seen no black guy breakdance I guess.

[Smedy]

And then we're all being filmed walking down the street. No thanks Orwell

what issue would it make if cops had mounted cameras that they couldn't turn off? both cops would act more professional knowing they cant get away with shit, and same with citizen, no harm done besides you being mad that you'd end up on camera if you encountered a cop....

yeah seems like a serious issue when 99% of first world people post pics of them selves all over the social media and blog about taking a shit, privacy is a joke. also stop using internet if you're really serious, no isp in america is private, they can see every stroke of your keyboard and i ain't even foilhating, information is power, internet has all the information you could ever need, literally the last 20 years of military development has probably been spent utilizing big data and collecting it in order to easily assemble information about you and your friends when needed to.

getting filmed walking down the street is the least of your concern if you have something to hide, log off now

[iruinedyourday]

Dark humor has its place in RNF, if you like your internet censored then head here (www.aol.com) <3

censor is different from having bad taste. If you have bad taste head here (http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30) <3

[derpcake]

what issue would it make if cops had mounted cameras that they couldn't turn off? both cops would act more professional knowing they cant get away with shit, and same with citizen, no harm done besides you being mad that you'd end up on camera if you encountered a cop....

yeah seems like a serious issue when 99% of first world people post pics of them selves all over the social media and blog about taking a shit, privacy is a joke. also stop using internet if you're really serious, no isp in america is private, they can see every stroke of your keyboard and i ain't even foilhating, information is power, internet has all the information you could ever need, literally the last 20 years of military development has probably been spent utilizing big data and collecting it in order to easily assemble information about you and your friends when needed to.

getting filmed walking down the street is the least of your concern if you have something to hide, log off now

Yea well, next step is to film who at their job?

Filming wouldn't have helped in this instance. The unarmed erudite not engaging the armed & mounted dorf would have.

It nearly seems like use of common sense could have saved this guy. Better blame the police though, not like the guy acted like an idiot or got a shitty education.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Yea well, next step is to film who at their job?

Filming wouldn't have helped in this instance. The unarmed erudite not engaging the armed & mounted dorf would have.

It nearly seems like use of common sense could have saved this guy. Better blame the police though, not like the guy acted like an idiot or got a shitty education.

You are way off here.

They've tested body cams in many districts, every single test district had citizen injury/death rate down at least 60% and public complaint of the conduct of the police force down by at least 90%.

Filming the incident would of proved beyond any doubt that Brown was just another thug without having to resort to that fancy evidence based sorcery that the SJWs and everyone they've suckered into a frenzy, hate. This inevitably burned half of furgeson to the ground in protest of nobody knows what and got officer Wilson removed from the force literally for doing his job.

[derpcake]

Filming the incident would of proved beyond any doubt that Brown was just another thug without having to resort to that fancy evidence based sorcery that the SJWs and everyone they've suckered into a frenzy, hate. This inevitably burned half of furgeson to the ground in protest of nobody knows what and got officer Wilson removed from the force literally for doing his job.

Reasonable people don't need film proof though. Jury agreed on that.

I don't want society to turn into shit where we film every second of every job. Do you? I mean I slack off & visit the forums while at work, you want to be filmed full time?

Fuck that, and fuck the people that try to slap the police. Its not that simple, and if you don't understand the concept, you deserve to get shot. Multiple times.

[derpcake]

Please don't say I'm a racist.

I strongly feel all people, regardless of race of religion, have an equal right to be beaten or shot when they act like retards.

[Schwing]

The public doesn't care what you do at work. Not sure how filming law enforcement would lead to that.

[iruinedyourday]

I don't understand how this thread is still going. Innocent men, women, and children die every single day all over the world. Murdered for their religious beliefs, economic status, or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Brown was a fucking thug who literally had just robbed a convenience store before assaulting a police officer and attempting to take his gun.

In 2014 alone, 105 US police officers killed in the line of duty, 80 US firefighters killed in the line of duty, and at least 40 US military members KIA. Where the fuck are your bleeding hearts for them? Were their deaths justified?

Why don't you do something about the cause you think is important instead of spending your time disparaging other causes other people consider important, you armchair crybaby.

[paulgiamatti]

Man, I'm pretty conflicted about the whole Michael Brown thing but if someone can't recognize that white America has an endemic problem with racism that's been swept under the rug for centuries, their picture of reality is so unquestionably distorted that I wouldn't even know where to begin arguing with them.

[feanan]

Man, I'm pretty conflicted about the whole Michael Brown thing but if someone can't recognize that white America has an endemic problem with racism that's been swept under the rug for centuries, their picture of reality is so unquestionably distorted that I wouldn't even know where to begin arguing with them.

It's not that we can't recognize it...we just don't care

[Glenzig]

Man, I'm pretty conflicted about the whole Michael Brown thing but if someone can't recognize that white America has an endemic problem with racism that's been swept under the rug for centuries, their picture of reality is so unquestionably distorted that I wouldn't even know where to begin arguing with them.

Its not just white people. And its not just America. People of all colors are racist everywhere in the world.

[derpcake]

Its not just white people. And its not just America. People of all colors are racist everywhere in the world.

I'm a Euro with different nationality parents.

I'd have shot Michael Brown a few times more. Just to be sure. Have to think of the childrenz.

If you think I'm a racist, I'd have shot you also.

Life is good, store robbers get shot, pras the pleese.

[Itap]

Why don't you do something about the cause you think is important instead of spending your time disparaging other causes other people consider important, you armchair crybaby.

Is this even english? Fuck.

[Sidelle]

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[iruinedyourday]

Is this even english? Fuck.

you must be fuckn retarded

[derpcake]

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I don't care about Obama as a Euro.

Besides the fact that, when a black dude tells you "I didn't get a chance in society", you can point to 'bama.

Seems like a good deal.

[Glenzig]

I'm a Euro with different nationality parents.

I'd have shot Michael Brown a few times more. Just to be sure. Have to think of the childrenz.

If you think I'm a racist, I'd have shot you also.

Life is good, store robbers get shot, pras the pleese.

I didn't say anything about anyone specifically. All I'm saying is that racism isn't a problem among one group of people in one or two countries. Its world wide.

[derpcake]

I didn't say anything about anyone specifically. All I'm saying is that racism isn't a problem among one group of people in one or two countries. Its world wide.

Its natural.

[Itap]

you must be fuckn retarded

Answer my original question, instead of typing up some incoherent babble.

[paulgiamatti]

It's not that we can't recognize it...we just don't care

Failing to care is failing to recognize it as a problem.

Its not just white people. And its not just America. People of all colors are racist everywhere in the world.

I mean you're not wrong, but in the context of Ferguson and Michael Brown and Darren Wilson and the ongoing media shitstorm, focusing on white America and the orders of magnitude by which our particular brand of racism extends over most other types of racism in the developing world is not missing the target.

And if people like derpcake actually said the same things in real life as they do under the anonymity of internet message boards, the problem would be so much easier to manage. We would know who the enemies are. We would know precisely where the problem is, even if we don't know quite how to deal with it yet. If people were actually that honest about their racism, I doubt we'd have much of a problem at all.

[Sidelle]

I don't care about Obama as a Euro.

Besides the fact that, when a black dude tells you "I didn't get a chance in society", you can point to 'bama.

Seems like a good deal.
Lol. I actually agree with your views for the most part.

I'm just enjoying these funny Obama memes and randomly posting them sarcastically for everyone to enjoy.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5JAcZOCTGLw/Uv_2jxa_G4I/AAAAAAAALGQ/SRCnkVUoAAo/s1600/obama_whitey.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Reasonable people don't need film proof though. Jury agreed on that.
That's great, how does this stop the unreasonable people? (Mainstream media/rioters/Social Justice Warriors)

I don't want society to turn into shit where we film every second of every job. Do you? I mean I slack off & visit the forums while at work, you want to be filmed full time?
I'm not a cop, nobody is asking to have anyone but cops wear body cameras. Learn about the concept of accountability and stop trying to create slippery slopes on flat ground.

Fuck that, and fuck the people that try to slap the police. Its not that simple, and if you don't understand the concept, you deserve to get shot. Multiple times.

And with that you've thrown any credibility out the window. Congrats.

[Sidelle]

I can't think of any reason cops shouldn't be wearing cameras though. Probably for the best.

[Arteker]

you must be fuckn retarded

To many guns , it make cops work harder , in a country where everyone can buy a weapon u realy expect cops not to be triggerhappy with their owns?.

or take it to the extreme make america like the movie the purge, make a day where cime is legal and everyone can murder kill rape destroy frag to make people calm abit pherhaps?.

[Arteker]

and by democracy i mean the ancient greek government - not this plutocratic bullshit we have now in the US

u gotta be kiddin me , you got some idea of what democracy was in ancient greece?.

[Glenzig]

Its natural.

No its not.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

No its not.

Not that I'm stupid enough to even suggest arguing that it has any bearing on racism in modern society but technically from an evolutionary standpoint, it is natural to favor members of your own group over others. Call it a vestigial universal societal tendency.

[Itap]

It's easy to sit behind your computer and say you would have done this or that, but you weren't there. If someone punched me in the face and attempted to take my firearm, you don't think they are going to get 9 rounds to the chest?

You don't shoot to injure, if you pull that trigger, it's to kill.

[Glenzig]

Failing to care is failing to recognize it as a problem.



I mean you're not wrong, but in the context of Ferguson and Michael Brown and Darren Wilson and the ongoing media shitstorm, focusing on white America and the orders of magnitude by which our particular brand of racism extends over most other types of racism in the developing world is not missing the target.

And if people like derpcake actually said the same things in real life as they do under the anonymity of internet message boards, the problem would be so much easier to manage. We would know who the enemies are. We would know precisely where the problem is, even if we don't know quite how to deal with it yet. If people were actually that honest about their racism, I doubt we'd have much of a problem at all.

Well if people were just honest in general it would make life easier, and make a lot of problems go away. But the general attitude of humanity currently is one of selfishness and anonymity. The media plays of that and gets people riled up about issues that they can't control. That's when the real racism bears its head. Then everyone starts finger pointing at everyone and everything that they can use as a scapegoat for their own personal agendas.
Some people want blacks and Mexicans and welfare recipients to be targeted. Some want white people and the upper middle/upper class targeted. Some just want to steal and riot and shoot. And every one of them is being manipulated into that absolute way of thinking. And they find their media outlets that promote their side of the argument. And the other side finds their media outlets that promote their arguments. And everyone just sits around calling each other idiots and racists, propagating the very same attitude and actions that they claim they want to have go away.

Its sad.

[Glenzig]

Not that I'm stupid enough to even suggest arguing that it has any bearing on racism in modern society but technically from an evolutionary standpoint, it is natural to favor members of your own group over others. Call it a vestigial universal societal tendency.

So how is racism ever supposed to end if everyone believes this?

[paulgiamatti]

By simply also believing that overcoming our most basic primal instincts is the very thing that makes us human.

[Glenzig]

By simply also believing that overcoming our most basic primal instincts is the very thing that makes us human.

Yeah until you need to use it as a cop out for being a bigot.

[paulgiamatti]

It's not a cop-out, it's an ugly truth that we now have to deal with. Caucasians are an oppressive, racist people. We came into existence just as naturally as any other race of people did, as did our racism and our oppressiveness.

[radditsu]

Not that I'm stupid enough to even suggest arguing that it has any bearing on racism in modern society but technically from an evolutionary standpoint, it is natural to favor members of your own group over others. Call it a vestigial universal societal tendency.

Dats Tribalism

[Glenzig]

It's not a cop-out, it's an ugly truth that we now have to deal with. Caucasians are an oppressive, racist people. We came into existence just as naturally as any other race of people did, as did our racism and our oppressiveness.

So what you're saying is that its not really your fault if you're a white racist. Its natural.

[derpcake]

That's great, how does this stop the unreasonable people? (Mainstream media/rioters/Social Justice Warriors)

They go 2-pac style & get shot.

[paulgiamatti]

So what you're saying is that its not really your fault if you're a white racist. Its natural.

No, you've misunderstood me.

[Patriam1066]

It's not a cop-out, it's an ugly truth that we now have to deal with. Caucasians are an oppressive, racist people. We came into existence just as naturally as any other race of people did, as did our racism and our oppressiveness.

LOL

Yeah, sweden, denmark, and finland, by your reasoning, are the most racist and oppressive on earth. Your logic is ass backwards. I'd rather live anywhere in Europe than anywhere in Africa, and that includes Ukraine.

[paulgiamatti]

I suppose I'll elaborate - people need to be held accountable. Nowhere did I say people should never be held to account, or should never be at fault.

I am saying Darren Wilson is human. I am saying Jeffrey Dahmer was human, as despicable and unforgivable as his crimes were. The first step in dealing with this problem is to stop dehumanizing people, whether that person is a person of color or a white man or a neo-Nazi or a sociopathic serial killer/rapist/cannibal.

They were born to a mother and are subject to the very same workings of biology that all of us are. This doesn't mean people should never be locked up, or never be blamed, or never be held accountable for their actions or crimes.

When I say caucasians are an oppressive, racist people, I'm just stating a fact. It would be ahistorical to say otherwise. I plainly called it an ugly truth that we now have to - and are - dealing with. I didn't say it's a lovely little anecdote that we can now forgive all the crimes of all murderous white men everywhere. It's a disgusting result of our past that we must first accept if we're ever going to be able to change it.

[paulgiamatti]

LOL

Yeah, sweden, denmark, and finland, by your reasoning, are the most racist and oppressive on earth. Your logic is ass backwards. I'd rather live anywhere in Europe than anywhere in Africa, and that includes Ukraine.

Nowhere did I say "the most racist and oppressive on Earth."

[Patriam1066]

Nowhere did I say "the most racist and oppressive on Earth."

Then why mention it? If everyone in America is racist, why point out the shortcomings of white people? By calling white people oppressive, you're implying that someone else is being oppressed.

Newsflash, they aren't. Oppression in ferguson is being done by black mobs destroying black businesses. Maybe Darren Wilson was a bigot. Maybe the prosecutor didn't seek an indictment because he was a bigot. All that proves is that there are two bigots in Missouri. It doesn't mean the entire system is rigged or that racism is prevalent everywhere, and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that the greater damage being done to that town was by Darren Wilson as compared to black people destroying the entire city and looting it. I really don't understand liberals. I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

[Rararboker]

Survival of the fittest, bro. Why do you think we're on top?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

One thing this thread makes completely clear : the real failure here is the education system. You are all morons.

[paulgiamatti]

Then why mention it?

Back to my first post:

if someone can't recognize that white America has an endemic problem with racism that's been swept under the rug for centuries, their picture of reality is unquestionably distorted


If everyone in America is racist

Who said everyone in America is racist? They're wrong.

why point out the shortcomings of white people?

Back to my second post:

in the context of Ferguson and Michael Brown and Darren Wilson and the ongoing media shitstorm, focusing on white America and the orders of magnitude by which our particular brand of racism extends over most other types of racism in the developing world is not missing the target.


By calling white people oppressive, you're implying that someone else is being oppressed.

Correct.

[paulgiamatti]

One thing this thread makes completely clear: the real failure here is non-contributing twats like me. We are all morons.

FTFY

[Patriam1066]

Back to my first post:






Who said everyone in America is racist? They're wrong.



Back to my second post:






Correct.

Again, I don't understand. White people have oppressed people by letting them in? How? You do realize that white people could've just killed all blacks like the turks did the Armenians, the Germans did the jews, the Japanese did the Koreans....

Am I saying there hasn't been racism or that it doesn't exist? No. But it really isn't as bad as the professional victims like to imply. White people are BY FAR the most tolerant people on this planet. Remember prop 8 in Cali? Guess who passed that... Blacks and Hispanics. I'm sorry, but white people are the least superstitious, the least homophobic, and the least xenophobic race on earth. If you think otherwise, you've never been anywhere outside of America, Europe, or an episode of national geographic. Go anywhere in africa or the middle east and find a group of people better than American whites. Add Asia to that list. Don't worry, I'll wait.

God Bless America, and all of the white males who created it. I wish my ancestors were as wise as John Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau, Madison, or Voltaire. Alas, mine were worshipping a meteorite in Mecca and killing each other for more goats and sheep.

[paulgiamatti]

Again, you're conflating the statement "caucasians are an oppressive and racist people" with "caucasians are currently more oppressive than x, or more racist than y".

Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet. If you think otherwise, you've never picked up a history book. I love America and my native ancestors as much as anyone else (the most important of which, by the way, happens to be Thomas Jefferson), but facts are just facts.

And by the way, guess which race the Germans belong to?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Again, you're conflating the statement "caucasians are an oppressive and racist people" with "caucasians are currently more oppressive than x, or more racist than y".

Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet. If you think otherwise, you've never picked up a history book. I love America and my native ancestors as much as anyone else (the most important of which, by the way, happens to be Thomas Jefferson), but facts are just facts.

And by the way, guess which race the Germans belong to?

Bases entire argument on the race of the "oppressors".
Brings up context when convenient yet it doesn't apply to his own "points" because kill whitey.
Ignores individual cultures completely.

Who's the racist again?

[paulgiamatti]

Who's the racist again?

Anyone with a grain of sense knows you embody things far worse than racism.

It's really sad that I have to keep reassuring people like you that pointing out the obvious racism of a group of people isn't indicative of racism on my behalf, but simply of racism that pervades every facet of the very culture we're living in.

It just goes to show how deep the termites have gone. It goes to show how pervasive white racism really is, and how desperate you and so many others are to stay nice and comfortably unaware of it.

[Patriam1066]

Again, you're conflating the statement "caucasians are an oppressive and racist people" with "caucasians are currently more oppressive than x, or more racist than y".

Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet. If you think otherwise, you've never picked up a history book. I love America and my native ancestors as much as anyone else (the most important of which, by the way, happens to be Thomas Jefferson), but facts are just facts.

And by the way, guess which race the Germans belong to?

Lol, yes, I'm aware that the Germans are white. I'm also aware that they still support Israel to this day because of their guilt. Meanwhile, Turkey denies that the Armenian Genocide even happened, while condemning the occupation of Palestine (while they themselves occupy Cyprus). It's easy from our American context to define oppression as this White vs Others concept, but in reality it has never been that simple. China has oppressed peoples on its periphery, and still occupies portions of India. Empires like Britain, colonial France, and America have done things like this. The difference is, America and Europe, have moved forward and stopped being as bad as they used to be. I'm an immigrant. I don't know how to make this any clearer, but my life is better in Whitey's American than in my home. There are literally millions of people who feel the same way but somehow that gets ignored.

Also, the Mongols killed 20% of the planet in the course of about two centuries. I think they win the most oppressive argument.

[paulgiamatti]

The difference is, America and Europe, have moved forward and stopped being as bad as they used to be.

I don't know who you're arguing against. This was never a point of contention.

Also, the Mongols killed 20% of the planet in the course of about two centuries. I think they win the most oppressive argument.

Oppression has more forms than simply murder and genocide. Read a book.

[iruinedyourday]

Whoever paulgiamati is, irl he's the kind of person people remember fondly after sharing a flight sitting next to him.

The guy with the broken link as his avatar, people avoid sitting next to unless they have to

And kaga is the kind that sticks his fingers up his ass in the lavatory after takeoff

[Glenzig]

I don't know who you're arguing against. This was never a point of contention.



Oppression has more forms than simply murder and genocide. Read a book.

Which book should we start with?

[feanan]

It's like the old joke/question "are you an alcoholic"
whether you answer yes or no, it proves you are one.

if you are white, you need to be full of white guilt, and admit you are a racist.
if you don't admit that, it just proves just how big of a racist you are!

you lose either way. give up now.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Anyone with a grain of sense knows you embody things far worse than racism.

It's really sad that I have to keep reassuring people like you that pointing out the obvious racism of a group of people isn't indicative of racism on my behalf, but simply of racism that pervades every facet of the very culture we're living in.

It just goes to show how deep the termites have gone. It goes to show how pervasive white racism really is, and how desperate you and so many others are to stay nice and comfortably unaware of it.

This may be a P99 record for most double standards in a single post.

[Patriam1066]

I don't know who you're arguing against. This was never a point of contention.



Oppression has more forms than simply murder and genocide. Read a book.

What forms? Again, who is oppressing whom, Darren Wilson and the prosecutor or the thousands of blacks who rioted and destroyed their own city. No point arguing though. I've read many books, and none of them made me believe that vice is virtue and that weakness is strength. It's easy to riot and tear down a city but it's very difficult to build a culture that values family, education, and hard work. That's the true tragedy of the African-American experience.

Also, am I the one with the broken link as an avatar that iruinedyourday is referring to? I certainly can see my avatar haha

[Pokesan]

Blacks are also harming blacks so there's no reason to be mad at whitey for harming blacks!

[Patriam1066]

Blacks are also harming blacks so there's no reason to be mad at whitey for harming blacks!

Whitey isn't harming anyone. That's the point. You guys live in a mythological world where if whites just didn't exist, Africa would be prosperous and the Middle East would be peaceful. You're delusional. The only oppression occurring in America is rich vs poor, and there are far more poor whites than poor blacks. We are the 99%.

PS, if whites didn't exist, China would be in possession of all territory on Earth

[Pokesan]

Hey, that's an excellent impression of a crazy person. Well done.

Now tell me your real opinion!

[Patriam1066]

Lol. Yeah, I'm crazy. Isolated incidences of racism mean there is systematic oppression. That's why there are millions of minorities who are prosperous across the western world. If you're concerned about racism, go to Syria, or to the Uighur parts of China. You're claiming that weakness present in a community is a product of oppression. It simply isn't. Black people need to grow a pair and fucking work. My brother and I dug ditches for our fathers irrigation business, alongside mexicans we picked up at Home Depot. All of us were immigrants, and no one bitched. America means opportunity, not oppression. If you can't see that with all of the shit on this planet, then you're the crazy person.

[NegaStoat]

It's like the old joke/question "are you an alcoholic"
whether you answer yes or no, it proves you are one.

if you are white, you need to be full of white guilt, and admit you are a racist.
if you don't admit that, it just proves just how big of a racist you are!

you lose either way. give up now.

Bingo. I'm white and grew up in a conservative household with an extended family who widely held the opinion of "we're best 'cause we're white". It wasn't overt at all. It was subtle, but it was there.

Later in life I worked as a manager of a video game arcade and I met a lot of parents of kids who were hard working, loved their children, and weren't afraid to discipline them in public verbally if they used bad language or were rough housing. I'm sad to say, a lot of the time, it was the white families whose kids were the most trouble.

My outlook on asians, blacks, hispanics, etc, changed a lot and undid a ton of the conditioning I had. People are just people, and their actions speak for what kind of persons they are.

A kid that's on drugs that strongarmed a store for stolen goods that is yelling at a cop "You're too much of a pussy to shoot me!" while threatening him is going to end up dead.

Do I agree that the above is exactly what happened? Hell no. But the question is turned away from an issue of race into an issue of the facts of the matter and what really happened. And I fucking hate the media for taking it away from that direction.

[Raev]

Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet. If you think otherwise, you've never picked up a history book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

The reality is that homo sapiens is a highly competitive species, and men and women of all races are capable of acts of tremendous cruelty towards "the others". You say Caucasians are the most oppressive; I say Caucasians are the most successful. Potato potahto. The reality is that European civilization is by far the most racially and religiously tolerant one out there.

The funny thing is, I see white Americans as far more racist than we were as a group 10-20 years ago, precisely because we are tired of getting beat over the head with how evil we are by you moronic social justice warriors.

[Aviann]

Fuck the government. That is all.

[Sidelle]

Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet. If you think otherwise, you've never picked up a history book.
It really sounds like you've only ever picked up ONE history book in your life. Your post literally oozes that Zinn historical narrative (http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/december/wineburg-historiography-zinn-122012.html) and nothing else... I feel mildly sad for you, I'm sorry to say, though you aren't the only one here who sounds like a faithful Zinn disciple. There is hope for you all. Try broadening your horizons a little. Pick up some other books and open your minds -- I promise it's worth it.

[iruinedyourday]

you guys are having another stupid argument for stupid people. Its not up to any of you to defend white people so you should just stop.

[Pokesan]

actually howard zinn owns

what's your favorite history book sidelle-gatob?

[radditsu]

White people are great. I love being a white male.

[MrSparkle001]

Blacks are also harming blacks so there's no reason to be mad at whitey for harming blacks!

http://i.imgur.com/fi6L7aW.jpg

[yukan]

White people are great. I love being a white male.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rnFlQAvk8U

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

actually howard zinn owns

what's your favorite history book sidelle-gatob?

Just replaced my lost copy of people's history yesterday. fuckin weird.

[paulgiamatti]

It's like the old joke/question "are you an alcoholic"
whether you answer yes or no, it proves you are one.

if you are white, you need to be full of white guilt, and admit you are a racist.
if you don't admit that, it just proves just how big of a racist you are!

you lose either way. give up now.

Complete misconstrual of anything I've written based on a completely false premise. I can easily deny being an alcoholic without being accused of being one. This is a non-argument.

I can also easily deny being racist while acknowledging that I am a white male. If you all love to reduce everything to narratives so much, then here you go. This is a completely false narrative with asbolutely no basis in reality.

This may be a P99 record for most double standards in a single post.

Resorting to baseless assertions since you have no actual rebuttal to anything? How disappointing.

What forms?

Do you even know what the word subjugation means? Have you heard of concentration camps? Slavery? Women's suffrage? Do you even know what oppression means? Again, books. Read them. Ones with facts about things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

Those links don't falsify the statement "caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet."

The reality is that homo sapiens is a highly competitive species, and men and women of all races are capable of acts of tremendous cruelty towards "the others". You say Caucasians are the most oppressive; I say Caucasians are the most successful. Potato potahto. The reality is that European civilization is by far the most racially and religiously tolerant one out there.

Who the hell are you people arguing against? These were never points of contention. Are your reading comprehension skills seriously this poor?

The funny thing is, I see white Americans as far more racist than we were as a group 10-20 years ago, precisely because we are tired of getting beat over the head with how evil we are by you moronic social justice warriors.

Ah, I should've seen that coming. The old, tired "SJW" argument - that anyone who can argue for the oppressed is carrying around a huge weight of white guilt that they need to exonerate in the form of accusation against anyone who isn't oppressed. I'm glad you said it though, because now I know I can immediately ignore everything you have to say, and I'll only be better off for it.

It really sounds like you've only ever picked up ONE history book in your life. Your post literally oozes that Zinn historical narrative (http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/december/wineburg-historiography-zinn-122012.html) and nothing else... I feel mildly sad for you, I'm sorry to say, though you aren't the only one here who sounds like a faithful Zinn disciple. There is hope for you all. Try broadening your horizons a little. Pick up some other books and open your minds -- I promise it's worth it.

Every college professor, every scholar, every well-read and literate person I've ever known to be a sane and well-adjusted person understands the oppressive past of caucasian people. It's not a point that's open for debate among anyone who can call themselves educated whatsoever. It's a point that's open for debate on Project 1999 Rants and Flames, because this forum is teeming with pseudos like Kagatob, people who want to argue for the sake of hearing themselves argue like Patriam and Raev, and people who apparently don't understand anything at all like yourself.

[Patriam1066]

Paul, the only one who doesn't understand anything is you. Ever heard of the Polio Vaccine? How about clean drinking water?

Please guess as to where these advancements came from, and stop cherry picking. No shit white peope have done evil things. What you fail to recognize is, so has everyone else. More importantly, the world is becoming a better place every day because of the industrial and scientific revolutions that took place in the western world post 1800.

Seriously, the Polio Vaccine alone has probably saved more lives than all of the people killed by imperialism.

[Whirled]

tl;dr ..... but I did stay at a Holiday inn express last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlCLuIwuVgQ

[Nuktari]

the earth is not the center of the universe.

http://media3.giphy.com/media/DVjNY4vE2t248/200.gif

[BulletCatcher]

That wall off bulllshit, see previous post.

Mmmhhmm... mmhhmmmm.... uhhhhhmmmmmm..... I see....

Paul, take this energy and advocate on a real medium instead of an obscure game forum. You're stepping in bullshit on your way to feed trolls.

[Raev]

Those links don't falsify the statement "caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet."

Probably because that statement is not falsifiable? How were you planning to measure "oppressive" anyway? It's like you use these words and you don't know what they mean.

Who the hell are you people arguing against? These were never points of contention. Are your reading comprehension skills seriously this poor?

In other words, you didn't understand my post, so you called me an idiot.

The old, tired "SJW" argument

No, my point was your actions are not having the effect you would like. With a bit of a flame in there, cause hey, its RNF.

Free tip: stop regurgitating what you learned from your WASP/Western Civilization hating freshman history professor and start thinking.

[paulgiamatti]

Free tip: learn to read properly before attempting to rebuke things.

[Raev]

I accept your graceful surrender, Paul.

[paulgiamatti]

Not to the likes of you I won't. And especially not to Patriam, who you simply cannot argue against without him invoking a straw man. I hate the straw man argument. I really do, but he forces you into it. It's almost like he just imagines things that you might say, and then in his own mind passes them off as things that you already said, and then proceeds to argue against that. It's so fucking irritating.

[fiveeauxfour]

Free tip: stop regurgitating what you learned from your WASP/Western Civilization hating [B]freshman[/B ]history professor and start thinking.

HAHA joke's on you! I get all my information from my sophomore poli-sci professor!

[paulgiamatti]

Probably because that statement is not falsifiable? How were you planning to measure "oppressive" anyway? It's like you use these words and you don't know what they mean.

It's completely falsifiable. Again with this comprehension thing - look, I'm not here to fucking educate you people, I'm just here to express an opinion. In another thousand years when some other group of people other than caucasians spends the majority of their time oppressing and subjugating, then the statement will have been falsified.

In other words, you didn't understand my post, so you called me an idiot.

No, you didn't understand my post, so I questioned your reading capabilities.

[Glenzig]

Still haven't told us which book we should start with. I'm pretty disappointed.

[LulzSect]

not much readin goin on in sidelle's part o town

http://www.schwepspark.com/images/park1.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Resorting to baseless assertions since you have no actual rebuttal to anything? How disappointing.

Baseless accusations? It's based upon your own words!
Anyone with a grain of sense knows you embody things far worse than racism.

It's really sad that I have to keep reassuring people like you that pointing out the obvious racism of a group of people isn't indicative of racism on my behalf, but simply of racism that pervades every facet of the very culture we're living in.

It just goes to show how deep the termites have gone. It goes to show how pervasive white racism really is, and how desperate you and so many others are to stay nice and comfortably unaware of it.

Do I really have to break down the second and third paragraph for you? Do I really have to illustrate the plethora of double standards contained within your own words?

Now, let's talk about baseless accusations...
Anyone with a grain of sense knows you embody things far worse than racism.

Ah, I should've seen that coming. The old, tired "SJW" argument - that anyone who can argue for the oppressed is carrying around a huge weight of white guilt that they need to exonerate in the form of accusation against anyone who isn't oppressed. I'm glad you said it though, because now I know I can immediately ignore everything you have to say, and I'll only be better off for it.

Way to prove their point with your own response. I don't know if you are aware what direction your rhetoric has been headed in throughout this thread. These Social Justice Warriors are the ones at the forefront of censorship throughout western society.

I don't feel like going through the seventy pages to find it but one of your posts made it very clear that you are what's known as a "sex-negative feminist" as well. Which is extremely telling considering everything that you aspire to be against on the surface are exactly what you've become.

Every college professor, every scholar, every well-read and literate person I've ever known to be a sane and well-adjusted person understands the oppressive past of caucasian people. It's not a point that's open for debate among anyone who can call themselves educated whatsoever. It's a point that's open for debate on Project 1999 Rants and Flames, because this forum is teeming with pseudos like Kagatob, people who want to argue for the sake of hearing themselves argue like Patriam and Raev, and people who apparently don't understand anything at all like yourself.

Get out more. The SanFran bay area is not known for its peoples' ability to differentiate fiction from reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh-GZ2h4maM).

[paulgiamatti]

Oh, please. Pointing out when people are worth ignoring doesn't indicate any kind of double standard on my part or anyone else's.

I could go copy and paste half a dozen explicitly racist, misogynistic, and bigoted remarks that you've made. Do you see now what baseless means? You make things up about other people, while I simply call a spade a spade.

Get help.

[Whirled]

Still haven't told us which book we should start with. I'm pretty disappointed.

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/38338377452bc996bc2fbdc931b2e212/tumblr_n9cidnTmXC1s71q1zo1_r1_1280.png

An all time favorite for all ages ^

As far as all the other stuff in this thread...

http://www.angryblackladychronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/racist-asshole-300x225.jpg

[paulgiamatti]

Still haven't told us which book we should start with. I'm pretty disappointed.

I'm always happy to recommend literature, but I feel like I'd be overreaching to say which books anyone should read. One thing I realized about myself when concerning the consumption of literature is I pretty much only read things written by people I'm familiarized with in some way. I have to be interested in their ethos or their logos before I can really get comfortable turning the pages of something they've written. That's not to say that I only read things that I agree with - quite to the contrary, I like getting inside the mind of people who can procure compelling arguments against something that I'm morally or ethically invested in.

In any case, here are a couple I've finished recently:

http://i.imgur.com/nNIakRz.jpg

I'd imagine one of the things that makes Jefferson hard to write about, especially in a short form, is that he takes part in the enlightenment moment. In the American presidential election of 1796, the election had its choice between two candidates: one was the president of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the other was the founder of the American Academy of Arts and Letters. The candidacy seems to have shriveled a bit since then. Not only that, but under the 1796 rules you could vote for both of them, because the runner-up would be your vice president, and that's what the electorate did. Some might say it was a looted electorate, but it had a rather handsome choice.

Not only taking part in this extraordinary moment of the enlightenment, not only rewriting John Locke's words when he came to compose the Declaration of Independence, changing "life, liberty, and property" - Locke's trivium, or triad, or triaca of ideas - into a formulation I know you don't need me to tell you about. Not only after that leading Virginia through a very perilous period of revolutionary war, and then becoming minister to France, but he's almost continuously in power afterwards for 25 years. And that's before he helped provide us with a vaccination for cholera, and before he founded the University of Virginia, and before he takes a razor to the New Testament to produce the Jefferson Bible, cutting out everything mythical or stupid, leaving himself with a very short edition.

http://i.imgur.com/ALhayyS.jpg

A brilliant evocation of a pre-First World War Britain when the old system, which was basically a liberal system, came under tremendous shocks from the movement for women's suffrage, the movement to disengage from Ireland and the rise of organized labor. In the chapter on the rise of women's suffrage he describes beautifully all the morbid symptoms that appear when the long-repressed - especially sexually repressed - group begin to take their own measures.

The suffragette movement simply for women's franchise, for the right of women to vote, was attacked by all kinds of people for its weirdness. For the way the women started to dress as men, to neglect their families and to behave promiscuously. Many of these symptoms, up to and including suicide on some occasions, were indeed present but when the air cleared it was obviously the result of the original repression. It was a phase through which the movement had to pass.

[Patriam1066]

Holy shit we agree Paul. I am most definitely using a series of straw men. That's only because I have no specific position to refute. You haven't posited anything, you've simply said "read a book" and "white people are oppressive," as if that means something to me. I'm sorry, I've lived in a nonwhite country, and I just don't see it that way. White people are exponentially more tolerant of gays, other races, on down the list, as opposed to pretty much anyone else. Why don't you talk to me about Uganda penalizing homosexuality with death by stoning? Why not have an honest accounting of real or perceived crimes against humanity committed by all races? I'll tell you why, because reality doesn't fit your bull shit narrative. White people are not blameless, not by a long shot, I just don't see what revisionist history accomplishes, especially when white people have the unique dichotomy of simultaneously being imperialist ass holes and purveyors or scientific knowledge and cultural advancement seen in no other society since the beginning of time (that we're aware of).

I'm with Glenzig, why don't you tell me what book to read so that maybe i can see your perspective. Simply saying "white people are shit" doesn't resonate with me. Unlike you, if I am ignorant, I'd like to see another side of the issue, not simply say "I'm tolerant, white people are evil," when, if anything, that proves that you're anything but tolerant.

[Glenzig]

I'm always happy to recommend literature, but I feel like I'd be overreaching to say which books anyone should read. One thing I realized about myself when concerning the consumption of literature is I pretty much only read things written by people I'm familiarized with in some way. I have to be interested in their ethos or their logos before I can really get comfortable turning the pages of something they've written. That's not to say that I only read things that I agree with - quite to the contrary, I like getting inside the mind of people who can procure compelling arguments against something that I'm morally or ethically invested in.

In any case, here are a couple I've finished recently:

http://i.imgur.com/nNIakRz.jpg

I'd imagine one of the things that makes Jefferson hard to write about, especially in a short form, is that he takes part in the enlightenment moment. In the American presidential election of 1796, the election had its choice between two candidates: one was the president of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the other was the founder of the American Academy of Arts and Letters. The candidacy seems to have shriveled a bit since then. Not only that, but under the 1796 rules you could vote for both of them, because the runner-up would be your vice president, and that's what the electorate did. Some might say it was a looted electorate, but it had a rather handsome choice.

Not only taking part in this extraordinary moment of the enlightenment, not only rewriting John Locke's words when he came to compose the Declaration of Independence, changing "life, liberty, and property" - Locke's trivium, or triad, or triaca of ideas - into a formulation I know you don't need me to tell you about. Not only after that leading Virginia through a very perilous period of revolutionary war, and then becoming minister to France, but he's almost continuously in power afterwards for 25 years. And that's before he helped provide us with a vaccination for cholera, and before he founded the University of Virginia, and before he takes a razor to the New Testament to produce the Jefferson Bible, cutting out everything mythical or stupid, leaving himself with a very short edition.

http://i.imgur.com/ALhayyS.jpg

A brilliant evocation of a pre-First World War Britain when the old system, which was basically a liberal system, came under tremendous shocks from the movement for women's suffrage, the movement to disengage from Ireland and the rise of organized labor. In the chapter on the rise of women's suffrage he describes beautifully all the morbid symptoms that appear when the long-repressed - especially sexually repressed - group begin to take their own measures.

The suffragette movement simply for women's franchise, for the right of women to vote, was attacked by all kinds of people for its weirdness. For the way the women started to dress as men, to neglect their families and to behave promiscuously. Many of these symptoms, up to and including suicide on some occasions, were indeed present but when the air cleared it was obviously the result of the original repression. It was a phase through which the movement had to pass.

Probably both good reads in their own right. Thanks for the suggestions.

[Lune]

God Bless America, and all of the white males who created it. I wish my ancestors were as wise as John Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau, Madison, or Voltaire. Alas, mine were worshipping a meteorite in Mecca and killing each other for more goats and sheep.

This reads like it was written by Uncle Ruckus

http://i.imgur.com/CYbI5qB.jpg

[Patriam1066]

I've read that first one, will check out the second.

I'd suggest you read The Origins of Political Order by Francis Fukayama.

[paulgiamatti]

I'm not going to respond for the straw man, I'm sorry. He doesn't represent me. Your straw man version of me is not something I'm interested in. None of your arguments are attacking any positions that I take.

Me saying white people are and have been oppressive is not trivializing the cases of oppression that are happening or have happened across the globe. If you want to have an honest accounting of these things - then by all means, go right ahead. I was simply offering my opinion within the context of the Michael Brown case. I wanted to stay on topic - and for the millionth god damn time, focusing on white America's oppressive nature is right on target.

That's not a narrative. If you want to speak out against false narratives, then go fucking speak out against false narratives. Don't invent an imaginary position that you think I might take based on nothing more than speculation and then tell me that I'm wrong for holding that position. That's not my position. Go shove your garbage down someone else's throat.

[Lojik]

Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet. If you think otherwise, you've never picked up a history book.

Those links don't falsify the statement "caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet."

Probably because that statement is not falsifiable? How were you planning to measure "oppressive" anyway? It's like you use these words and you don't know what they mean.

It's completely falsifiable. Again with this comprehension thing - look, I'm not here to fucking educate you people, I'm just here to express an opinion. In another thousand years when some other group of people other than caucasians spends the majority of their time oppressing and subjugating, then the statement will have been falsified.

White people may or may not historically be the most oppressive people on the planet, but the first statement quoted is not falsifiable unless it's in a subjective and arbitrary way.

I do think racism is a problem in America and it's due to ignorance. People want to look at symptoms of racism and try to treat those instead of addressing the underlying causes of racism.

[paulgiamatti]

If we want to talk about how to define oppression and subjugation, I'm all for that too. I'll be the first to admit that they're elastic words, and we're obviously not all going to agree with what constitutes oppression. For instance, I firmly believe that a law that requires all women to cover themselves in burqas is oppressive. Throwing battery acid on women's faces for laying with another man is oppressive. Denying women the right to education and the right to be autonomous human beings is oppressive. Excluding women from being able to vote in a "democracy" is oppressive. Using words like "gay" and "fag" as a catch-call derogatory remark is oppressive.

I could go on, but I feel like that will be enough to fan the flames for a bit.

[Supreme]

JFC the server needs to come back up already.

The rhetoric of this thread is worse than a first year poli-science major.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

If we want to talk about how to define oppression and subjugation, I'm all for that too. I'll be the first to admit that they're elastic words, and we're obviously not all going to agree with what constitutes oppression. For instance, I firmly believe that a law that requires all women to cover themselves in burqas is oppressive. Throwing battery acid on women's faces for laying with another man is oppressive. Denying women the right to education and the right to be autonomous human beings is oppressive. Excluding women from being able to vote in a "democracy" is oppressive. Using words like "gay" and "fag" as a catch-call derogatory remark is oppressive.

I could go on, but I feel like that will be enough to fan the flames for a bit.

You are such a massive hypocrite and you don't even realize it. You don't like "fag" being used, but you have no problem with blacks using ****** in every sentence.

Nothing isn't considered oppressive to you Cultural Marxists, that's the whole goddamn point. It's attitudes like yours that just got female ejaculation, fisting, face sitting and consensual verbal abuse banned in the U.K.

Am I the only one who remembers when it was the far right conservatives who wanted to censor everything? All you've done is pick up their mantra and replace "family values" with "oppression".

You've become what you hate and you refuse to see it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc)

[paulgiamatti]

you have no problem with blacks using ****** in every sentence.

Not true.

Nothing isn't considered oppressive to you

Not true.

Am I the only one who remembers when it was the far right conservatives who wanted to censor everything?

Never advocated censorship.

[Raev]

Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet.

I'll be the first to admit that they're elastic words, and we're obviously not all going to agree with what constitutes oppression.

So we agree that, owing to the "elastic" nature of the words involved, your statement is neither true nor false. It is clearly highly offensive to whites, as no one wants to be labeled an evil oppressor, and that easily makes it hate speech according to the following definition:

Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

The difference between you and me, paulg, is that I am anti-racist while you are anti-white.

[katrik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0itOCgJtNVU

explains why the police hate *****s.

[Lexical]

Y'all see the new trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE

[Skinned]

http://i62.tinypic.com/106m0b8.jpg

[paulgiamatti]

So we agree that, owing to the "elastic" nature of the words involved, your statement is neither true nor false. It is clearly highly offensive to whites, as no one wants to be labeled an evil oppressor, and that easily makes it hate speech

People aren't offended by the statement "Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet." If it offends or upsets or challenges the majority of people posting on P99 RnF, that's the clearest indication that it's not going to offend the majority of people who actually know how to use their brains in the real world.

Offending you idiots doesn't bother me in the slightest, because most of you are simply bigots and racists and misogynists that only know how to scream "SJW!" at anyone who calls you on your bullshit. Offending and upsetting you people is exactly what I'm trying to do, because you're all so damn comfortable with your cozy white, privileged lives that you think anyone who isn't must be harboring and projecting their white guilt or racist against white people. It's such a tired, nauseating argument that no one who's a part of any respected establishment is stupid enough to believe nonetheless repeat ad absurdum as so many of you do.

I'm positing that it is a true statement, and nothing anyone has said so far has even come close to disproving it. We shouldn't just give up in trying to reach a consensus on what words mean just because they're elastic. All words are slippery - definitions change and evolve, and we define things based on our cultural reality which changes over time and all the time. Hate speech isn't oppression, but it's oppressive, and facts are simply not hate speech and nor should they be.

I'm not the guilt-ridden white man you're looking for. I probably know more about and have much more respect for white culture than any of you, which is the very reason I argue so fervently about it. I also enjoy playing this video game on this server, which is why it bothers me to see the forums have become such a disgusting cesspool in which you can't find a single fucking thread without some moron thinking they're so clever for their racist innuendo, homophobic slurs, or poorly masked hatred of women.

I'm not proud of being white, but I enjoy being white (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPVG4vgPWAc), as any white person with any grasp of reality should.

[paulgiamatti]

Y'all see the new trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE

That was awesome.

[feanan]

"you're all so damn comfortable with your cozy white, privileged lives"

sure am! good thing its very unlikely to change in my lifetime either

[Orruar]

People aren't offended by the statement "Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet." If it offends or upsets or challenges the majority of people posting on P99 RnF, that's the clearest indication that it's not going to offend the majority of people who actually know how to use their brains in the real world.

People aren't offended by the words "the only good ****** is a dead ******". If it offends of upsets or challenges the majority of people posting on P99 RnF, that's the clearest indication that it's not going to offend the majority of people who actually know how to use their brains in the real world.

I don't believe being offended is a valid argument in any way. But if you're going to accept that being offended is a legitimate argument, you can't then decide to be the arbiter on what is offensive and what is not. The thing about offense is it rests solely within the mind of another person and you don't have the power nor the right to determine what they think.

[Raev]

I'm positing that it is a true statement

"Caucasians are the most oppressive people in history" is neither objective nor measurable. As such it is what Wolfgang Pauli would call "not even wrong". It is highly inflammatory balderdash.

You need a good science and logic course to help you distinguish between PC propaganda and reality.

[Glenzig]

PaulG's comments are always good for a laugh. I say keep this thread going. I need some more 10 paragraph posts about how amazingly privileged I am just based on my skin color.

[Lojik]

People aren't offended by the words "the only good ****** is a dead ******". If it offends of upsets or challenges the majority of people posting on P99 RnF, that's the clearest indication that it's not going to offend the majority of people who actually know how to use their brains in the real world.

I don't believe being offended is a valid argument in any way. But if you're going to accept that being offended is a legitimate argument, you can't then decide to be the arbiter on what is offensive and what is not. The thing about offense is it rests solely within the mind of another person and you don't have the power nor the right to determine what they think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qifwiNrVBFk

"Caucasians are the most oppressive people in history" is neither objective nor measurable. As such it is what Wolfgang Pauli would call "not even wrong". It is highly inflammatory balderdash.

You need a good science and logic course to help you distinguish between PC propaganda and reality.

So a reputable scholar would agree that his statement is "not even wrong." WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

[paulgiamatti]

You need a good science and logic course to help you distinguish between PC propaganda and reality.

I'm willing to say maybe, but probably not. I mean I'm fully aware that there's a point at which political correctness becomes problematic, but I'm also aware that Richard Dawkins looks like a complete asshole every time he says anything political. That doesn't discredit The Selfish Gene or any of his contributions to evolutionary biology in any way, but it is what it is. I'm somewhere in the middle, but admittedly I tend to err on the side of political correctness along with most of my fellow liberals.

And I don't want to come off like too much of a prick here - the ad hominems in my last post aren't really directed at you, but more at people like Kagatob and the other shitstains who make overtly racist and bigoted remarks. No real single shots, just a spray into the masses.

[paulgiamatti]

And you know what, fuck people who aren't overt in their racism and bigotry even harder. As I stated earlier, they're the ones compounding the problem - at least people who are overtly pieces of shit are being honest about being pieces of shit.

[Glenzig]

And you know what, fuck people who aren't overt in their racism and bigotry even harder. As I stated earlier, they're the ones compounding the problem - at least people who are overtly pieces of shit are being honest about being pieces of shit.

Who exactly are you talking about? Just in general? Or do you have specific people in mind?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

People aren't offended by the statement "Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet." If it offends or upsets or challenges the majority of people posting on P99 RnF, that's the clearest indication that it's not going to offend the majority of people who actually know how to use their brains in the real world.

I thought you weren't asserting that "Caucasians are historically the most oppressive people on the planet". Which one is it? You've backpedaled and jumped back on this stance like 5 times now.

The statement itself isn't offensive, it's not even insulting, however the mere fact that people like you are still so gullible as to buy into this revisionist history (herstory?) garbage is in fact very insulting. It's insulting that I have to share a species with such backwards and hypocritical thinking.

Offending you idiots doesn't bother me in the slightest, because most of you are simply bigots and racists and misogynists that only know how to scream "SJW!" at anyone who calls you on your bullshit. Offending and upsetting you people is exactly what I'm trying to do, because you're all so damn comfortable with your cozy white, privileged lives that you think anyone who isn't must be harboring and projecting their white guilt or racist against white people. It's such a tired, nauseating argument that no one who's a part of any respected establishment is stupid enough to believe nonetheless repeat ad absurdum as so many of you do.

I hate to be the one to break this to you and your fragile ego, but facts are facts. Facts aren't racist, they aren't sexist, they aren't even classist.

You are also fighting this battle with a completely ineffective weapon. You tumblerites wear getting offended like a fucking merit badge. You eat, sleep, and breathe getting offended at the slightest thing like some kind of twisted fetish. I'll tell you straight out, when you are the one who is always getting offended (trust me, it's you, not us), trying to dish it out when you are the only one who can't take it... well they have a word for that, it's called stupid.

On to your "privileged lives" comment. I'll just say you don't know me, you don't know where I grew up, the amount of time I did not have a roof over my head, have someone to fall back on when shit got really bad, or how much actual work that had to be put into putting together the meager lifestyle that I live (Which is still leagues away from even lower-middle class).

http://i.imgur.com/taqLtmJ.jpg

But you know what, if you are going to make assumptions about me, I'll make some about you. You grew up with two loving parents in a house with a picket fence, growing up your mother's biggest concern was what she was going to wear that day and your father's was whether his team was going to win the game that day. When you turned 16 your parents bought you a car, paid for the insurance and gas for a year (probably 2, god forbid you get a job before you turn 18), and now that you're the ripe old age of 20, on your own at your precious university that your parents pay for, you get to experience the real world, working part time to pay for ramen while complaining about how stressful it is having to cram for all these tests and triggering your life is whenever you come to these forums full of bigoted assholes. ;)

I'm positing that it is a true statement, and nothing anyone has said so far has even come close to disproving it. We shouldn't just give up in trying to reach a consensus on what words mean just because they're elastic. All words are slippery - definitions change and evolve, and we define things based on our cultural reality which changes over time and all the time. Hate speech isn't oppression, but it's oppressive, and facts are simply not hate speech and nor should they be.
You say this but your posts thus far have made it abundantly clear that you don't actually understand the concept. You are simply terrible at faking the moderate position so you might as well stop trying.

I'm not the guilt-ridden white man you're looking for. I probably know more about and have much more respect for white culture than any of you, which is the very reason I argue so fervently about it. I also enjoy playing this video game on this server, which is why it bothers me to see the forums have become such a disgusting cesspool in which you can't find a single fucking thread without some moron thinking they're so clever for their racist innuendo, homophobic slurs, or poorly masked hatred of women.

I'm not proud of being white, but I enjoy being white (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPVG4vgPWAc), as any white person with any grasp of reality should.

"I'm not the guilt-ridden white man you're looking for."
Did you even read what you typed after that sentence?

I'm willing to say maybe, but probably not. I mean I'm fully aware that there's a point at which political correctness becomes problematic, but I'm also aware that Richard Dawkins looks like a complete asshole every time he says anything political. That doesn't discredit The Selfish Gene or any of his contributions to evolutionary biology in any way, but it is what it is. I'm somewhere in the middle, but admittedly I tend to err on the side of political correctness along with most of my fellow liberals.
I'm curious, what does this word even mean to you. What is it to be a "liberal"?

Do you understand that there's more to belief systems than simply "liberal" and "conservative"? Are you aware that there's an entire political spectrum out there?

And I don't want to come off like too much of a prick here - the ad hominems in my last post aren't really directed at you, but more at people like Kagatob and the other shitstains who make overtly racist and bigoted remarks. No real single shots, just a spray into the masses.
Such an enlightened point of view.
And you know what, fuck people who aren't overt in their racism and bigotry even harder. As I stated earlier, they're the ones compounding the problem - at least people who are overtly pieces of shit are being honest about being pieces of shit.
Did you say that to a mirror or are you trying to be ironic? Either way you failed pretty hard.

[paulgiamatti]

TLDR: Here's a bunch of absurdist arguments because Paulie G challenged my moronic, shitty views and I don't know how to respond appropriately.

[iruinedyourday]

Just start making YouTube videos asap kaga, plz.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm still waiting for a single response from you guys that isn't an ad-hominem attack, baseless appeal to emotion, or a combination of the two.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm still waiting for a single response from you guys that isn't an ad-hominem attack, baseless appeal to emotion, or a combination of the two.

unfortunately because of the ways your eyes process text, it will never come.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I know, reading statements based on the words they contain is so anti-progressive. :rolleyes:

[Glenzig]

unfortunately because of the ways your eyes process text, it will never come.

Eyes don't process information. The occipital lobes are responsible for that. S'prised you didn't k ow that.:)

[Glenzig]

Know*

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

http://i.imgur.com/DQch39Q.jpg
Bump

It's awesome that you are a star trek fan, yet Gene Roddenberry and anyone that ever wrote for the shows would hate your guts.

<<<COGNITIVE DISSONANCE>>>

People like Kagatob are concerned with "feeling intelligent" rather than being "informed" or "ethically consistent." That is one of the reasons that regular people find them so repugnant.