Lols TMO

[Jarnauga]

I mean we could all adopt a misguided Messiah Complex like Chest based on blind hatred of a tag.

Let's compare how many TMOs are spewing hatred towards BDA/Chest, and let's compare who in BDA does that :p

No one is defending what the fraps showed. Most are trying to find a resolution to it that is reasonable and fair.

http://i.imgur.com/eTyEi70.png

[Cecily]

Had there not been such damning fraps, Dinacarl would still be in TMO and every one of you would be defending his actions calling it a "pull" like he tried to claim before everyone knew how good the fraps was.

All of you seem to just want to find reasons to justify your deeply engrained hatred of TMO. Sure would suck if we actually weren't horrible scumbag cheaters like the BDA party doctrine says we are. When our members fuck up, we have to suffer through threads like this. No one should have to deal with Chest and I'll gladly support the kicking of any member who forces us to.

[Lazie]

Let's compare how many TMOs are spewing hatred towards BDA/Chest, and let's compare who in BDA does that :p


Let's do. Show me the numbers. You said let's make a comparison so provide your data. I'll wait while you disappear.

[JayN]

http://i61.tinypic.com/311udlj.gif

/thread

[Jarnauga]

Let's do. Show me the numbers. You said let's make a comparison so provide your data. I'll wait while you disappear.

In this thread alone:

chest tears = free loot I thought you guys learned by now, pays to be bloomin-onion pals w/rogeans

I gotta admit I laughed my ass off when I saw this. Props to Dinacarl for having the balls to do it so ostentatiously lol - this is what we call civil disobedience

maybe next time put a little distance between you and your train though bro



Unfortunately, training ass holes is illegal on p99.

Dolic

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

I regret that I have but 12 lives to give for my guild.

Looks to me that one guild was leap-frogged by another. So, the other guild being leap-frogged responded the way anyone would by competing for the zone they were preparing for.

tl:dr

Fuck BDA
This man is a gentleman and a scholar - I agree with his opinion.


i think bda should be suspended for a week for a being #1 worst guild on the server

Lol at a BDA member thinking he matters

BDA still the whiniest bitches on the server since.... forever. GJ!

BDA looking for more handouts? Nothing new here...move along

Feel free to check any other RnF threads ;)

[JayN]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=12118&dateline=1402108710http://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=12118&dateline=1402108710http://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=12118&dateline=1402108710http://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=12118&dateline=1402108710

[Lazie]

In this thread alone:











Feel free to check any other RnF threads ;)

Oh so...People responding to a thread in RNF full of trolls is your numbers ? I figured you were about that dense.

[hatelore]

The guild should be held responsible to the extent that it failed in its duties. One person running off and being an asshole when there was no prior indication that they would do so doesn't put the responsibility on the guild. Certainly, there's associative issues which is why he was removed.

It would be laughably easy to make a new account, use a different computer & connection, and level up something to the low 50's join any number of guilds and train people. Frankly, I'm surprised that level of P99 terrorism hasn't happened already.



Shutting down the server would also stop all the trains. Stop the feigned outrage and hyperbole.



When the company has a responsibility to prevent such behavior, yes. It's called Respondeat Superior. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior) I suggest you read more closely. The concept might seem less stupid if you actually understood it.



He likely would have been off the hook. People get away for crimes all the time for a lack of evidence. It doesn't make it right, but that's the reality of the situation. Personally, I'm glad there's a FRAPS. It means that we can actually demand accountability for the actions of our members. That's about all any guild can do in a situation like this.


Wtf are you smoking? It failed in it's duties to be a respectable guild years ago, this just adds to the relentless crusade tmo has been on to be the crown fucking Royale Douche-Bags of the server. YOUR GUILD is liable for the action of its members! How hard is this to understand?

Your entire argument bases on the fact that what he did was solely his doings and should not reflect the guild for punishment by the gm's of the server in any way what so ever. Why do you support that position? You support it because you do not wish to see your guild get what it deserves, which is a two week to a month suspension.

My position is that your guild members reflect your guild and when they do douche-bag shit at raids, the guild should suffer for there actions. You even had unbrella backing him up in ooc. Go watch the video once, twice, three times if needbe.

[Cecily]

Yeah your guild just trained me with dark elves in Kithicor, but I'm not seeking a raid suspension for BDA. Last time I checked, those dark elves are raid mobs btw.

[hatelore]

Let's compare how many TMOs are spewing hatred towards BDA/Chest, and let's compare who in BDA does that :p



http://i.imgur.com/eTyEi70.png

Those tells are astounding, how the fuck can you even begin to argue the fact that the douche bag stood up, went into temple, and returned and trained the entire temple on the bda raid? How? Totally fucking astounding. Unbrella, you have sunk so low, that it is sad to watch. You have sold out your integrity for nothing more then fake pixels in a game, shame on you dude.

[Jarnauga]

Oh so...People responding to a thread in RNF full of trolls is your numbers ? I figured you were about that dense.

so it's not "blind hatred of a tag" for you ..?

[Wonkie]

I don't blame you guys for getting so defensive. I'm a threatening figure both of obviously. Have you even hit 1000 raids yet?

lol

just lol

[Hitpoint]

Yeah your guild just trained me with dark elves in Kithicor, but I'm not seeking a raid suspension for BDA. Last time I checked, those dark elves are raid mobs btw.

I think we need to make a huge post in the raid discussion section for this issue to be taken seriously. That's how these matters are handled right?

[Lazie]

Wtf are you smoking? It failed in it's duties to be a respectable guild years ago, this just adds to the relentless crusade tmo has been on to be the crown fucking Royale Douche-Bags of the server. YOUR GUILD is liable for the action of its members! How hard is this to understand?

Your entire argument bases on the fact that what he did was solely his doings and should not reflect the guild for punishment by the gm's of the server in any way what so ever. Why do you support that position? You support it because you do not wish to see your guild get what it deserves, which is a two week to a month suspension.

My position is that your guild members reflect your guild and when they do douche-bag shit at raids, the guild should suffer for there actions. You even had unbrella backing him up in ooc. Go watch the video once, twice, three times if needbe.

Perfect example of someone who is meek and can't think for themselves spouting recycled jargon. Has no real argument so his fall back position is to basically say...

"It failed in it's duties to be a respectable guild years ago, this just adds to the relentless crusade tmo has been on to be the crown fucking Royale Douche-Bags of the server."

When that has no relevance at all to the present and the people inside the guild. This is what we call someone having a chip on their shoulder and they don't really know where to direct their hate so they blame a guild tag.

[Lazie]

so it's not "blind hatred of a tag" for you ..?

Nope. I know the problem and it isn't BDA as a whole. It's one guy with a very big chip on his shoulder that he can't brush off.

[hatelore]

Perfect example of someone who is meek and can't think for themselves spouting recycled jargon. Has no real argument so his fall back position is to basically say...

"It failed in it's duties to be a respectable guild years ago, this just adds to the relentless crusade tmo has been on to be the crown fucking Royale Douche-Bags of the server."

When that has no relevance at all to the present and the people inside the guild. This is what we call someone having a chip on their shoulder and they don't really know where to direct their hate so they blame a guild tag.

Meek? Fuck you. I was present most of those times through a long period of witnessing tmo be douche bags at raids. Where were you? Oh thats right, in a guild that never even raided. Shut your mouth and get back to the back of the bus where you belong. You trifling little cheerleader, gleefully hanging off the nut sack of your guild, whether it does right or wrong. Mostly wrong.

[Lazie]

Meek? Fuck you. I was present most of those times through a long period of witnessing tmo be douche bags at raids. Where were you? Oh thats right, in a guild that never even raided. Shut your mouth and get back to the back of the bus where you belong. You trifling little cheerleader, gleefully hanging off the nut sack of your guild, whether it does right or wrong. Mostly wrong.

Yes..Yes.. Let the blind hate and lies spew.

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://i58.tinypic.com/2gtsor5.jpg

[Ambrotos]

Then we end up in a situation where one party, with little to lose, holds the greater party hostage (see Catherin & raid discussions).

Had to comment on this. Because the way you word it, you make it sound like a minority held the majority hostage. Simply not the case, where as the entire rule set and how raiding was changed on Rogean's server, per Rogean. So the old raid style of the server was no longer allowed, and was forced to come up with something better for the entire server and not just two guilds.

Both sides couldn't agree and ideas were hashed out no matter how hard four people worked behind everyone's back to keep the same bullshit. They were slapped down by Emperor Rogean and now we have a change in how the server is, as compared to the past.

Yes the majority of the guild fought for what they considered fair. It even allowed the Main raiding guilds(3 then, now 2 vs 4+ "casual") to still have a greater share of mobs as compared to the "hostage takers". In the end things were meshed with how Rogean wanted and felt was best for the server.

In effect anything raid related was erased like the Xman 3 movie and moved forward for the health of the server starting fresh.

If anything, those four people did more to try and hurt this server than anything else. If they truly had wanted to work with the majority of the rest of the server maybe things would have worked out differently than try and force it down their throats and them saying fuck that.

[Jarnauga]

Nope. I know the problem and it isn't BDA as a whole. It's one guy with a very big chip on his shoulder that he can't brush off.

http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y472/sgunn_KY/tumblr_mmql0dM6rd1qmxhobo1_500_zps44061c1a.gif

[Lazie]

http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y472/sgunn_KY/tumblr_mmql0dM6rd1qmxhobo1_500_zps44061c1a.gif

Use your words. Turning to gifs when you have no argument never works.

[contemptor]

Use your words. Turning to gifs when you have no argument never works.
You posting on these forums never works. Go outside- you must spend 3/4 of your day between these forums and game.

[Jarnauga]

Use your words. Turning to gifs when you have no argument never works.

dude, if you want to ignore the constant hatred of BDA (or any class R guilds for that matter) from your side, go ahead. Just dont fake some surprise whenever you have a guy that trains BDA.

"what ? TMO trained BDA ? nah, TMO is would NEVER do that to BDA.."

It's like some KKK guy killed a black guy and the KKK leader would be "i really don't know why he would do this" :p

[Lazie]

You posting on these forums never works. Go outside- you must spend 3/4 of your day between these forums and game.

:)

[Lazie]

dude, if you want to ignore the constant hatred of BDA (or any class R guilds for that matter) from your side, go ahead. Just dont fake some surprise whenever you have a guy that trains BDA.



It's like some KKK guy killed a black guy and the KKK leader would be "i really don't know why he would do this" :p

The "Dude I swear there is hatred you are just ignoring it" argument.

As I said it is one guy that stirs the pot with a giant chip on his shoulder and a Messiah Complex. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that.

[Cecily]

Please, if anything, BDA is the KKK in this situation.

[Uteunayr]

It's like some KKK guy killed a black guy and the KKK leader would be "i really don't know why he would do this" :p

I lol'd.

[Ravager]

All of you seem to just want to find reasons to justify your deeply engrained hatred of TMO. Sure would suck if we actually weren't horrible scumbag cheaters like the BDA party doctrine says we are. When our members fuck up, we have to suffer through threads like this. No one should have to deal with Chest and I'll gladly support the kicking of any member who forces us to.

I don't need to find reasons to justify it. I have years of them logged. And I'd hardly say your suffering, you and TMO thrive on threads like these. But whatever makes you happy I guess.

[Cecily]

I know from personal experience BDA is an anti-TMO hate group. Petitions from Chest should be treated as hate crimes.

[Cecily]

I don't need to find reasons to justify it. I have years of them logged. And I'd hardly say your suffering, you and TMO thrive on threads like these. But whatever makes you happy I guess.

I love whenever Chest gets a hair up his ass and goes on a RnF rampage, to be perfectly honest.

[Bboboo]

I want to see BDA train a raid group sometime this week and see how it's handled .

[JayN]

see your guild get what it deserves, which is a two week to a month suspension.

so either one works for you as long as you see that guild get it!!!

lmao fucking crybaby faggots eat chests lying cock some more I know you love how much it tastes.

Was it fun wrecking GT's first fear raid, was it worth it? just to get a shot at fucking with the big dogs, TMO son

[JayN]

the hit came directly from the topdawg himself big daddy chest GUILDLEADER! the fix was in, now just show us the fraps of that

[hatelore]

so either one works for you as long as you see that guild get it!!!

lmao fucking crybaby faggots eat chests lying cock some more I know you love how much it tastes.

Was it fun wrecking GT's first fear raid, was it worth it? just to get a shot at fucking with the big dogs, TMO son

I told you to go smoke meth. Not come back here and post while you are high.

[Lazie]

I mean even his fellow officers are tired of him raging in their ear. Yet have to go to him for decisions as expressed by the very text he showed in his thread. Tell us again who is the biggest deterrent to things getting settled or worked out. Who is the person that seems to stonewall everything and makes problems worse ?

http://i.imgur.com/ktJ2C48.jpg?1

[JayN]

I told you to go smoke meth. Not come back here and post while you are high.

good argument and counter point

[hatelore]

Thank you sir. Now put the pipe down and think about your life. Reflect, and think positive. Things will get better for you.

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://i57.tinypic.com/10f3qmt.gif

[JayN]

Thank you sir. Now put the pipe down and think about your life. Reflect, and think positive. Things will get better for you.

I like to use a bong for my meth (weed) thank you very much sir!

[Anichek]

I mean even his fellow officers are tired of him raging in their ear. Yet have to go to him for decisions as expressed by the very text he showed in his thread. Tell us again who is the biggest deterrent to things getting settled or worked out. Who is the person that seems to stonewall everything and makes problems worse ?

http://i.imgur.com/ktJ2C48.jpg?1

Great job taking something out of context and slipping it in sideways to fit RnF.

Cucumbers was tasked with talking to Unbrella because Chest KNOWS, for a FACT, that he and Unbrella don't mix well.

The /tells in the /log from Fear are an example of that.
The Vent "conversation" they had is an example of that.

Damn a co-leader for utilizing the tools in his kit to try and get something done without blowing off the handle!

[khanable]

You left out the part where I called him Glorious Dear Leader Chest

You misrepresent me, Lazie :(

[Lazie]

Great job taking something out of context and slipping it in sideways to fit RnF.

Cucumbers was tasked with talking to Unbrella because Chest KNOWS, for a FACT, that he and Unbrella don't mix well.

The /tells in the /log from Fear are an example of that.
The Vent "conversation" they had is an example of that.

Damn a co-leader for utilizing the tools in his kit to try and get something done without blowing off the handle!

Yeah...I'd use that excuse as well. I mean Syzzurp got told to fuck off too by Chest and he has no "History" with the guy of bad blood. This is an ongoing thing with Chest and it involved him having this attitude towards more than just Unbrella. He is toxic to most situations he gets involved in.

[Lazie]

You left out the part where I called him Glorious Dear Leader Chest

You misrepresent me, Lazie :(

I apologize sir. Haha I did enjoy your take on the situation though in the midst of 2 people heated on each side of you.

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://i60.tinypic.com/wmm881.jpg

[Anichek]

He is toxic to most situations he gets involved in.

You're reinforcing my point. It's not an excuse. It's the reason why he wasn't the person to file the petition. It's the reason why Cucumbers proxied the conversation initially after the event.

I don't have any problem with you or most of the trolls in RnF - but the hard-on's you carry from your Chesthate is second to none.

Take him out of the equation. Train occurs. Train is denied as being a train by an officer of TMO. Talk ensues later in vent, doesn't go well. Petition is filed. Petition was immediately denied without being vetted completely. Talks continue, and post is made in Raid Discussion in an attempt to escalate, as direct attempts to contact Rogean in an escalation effort are not fruitful.

Seems like a logical progression of events, from "train occurs" up to this point....just haven't come to an agreement yet.

[Lazie]

You're reinforcing my point. It's not an excuse. It's the reason why he wasn't the person to file the petition. It's the reason why Cucumbers proxied the conversation initially after the event.

I don't have any problem with you or most of the trolls in RnF - but the hard-on's you carry from your Chesthate is second to none.

Take him out of the equation. Train occurs. Train is denied as being a train by an officer of TMO. Talk ensues later in vent, doesn't go well. Petition is filed. Petition was immediately denied without being vetted completely. Talks continue, and post is made in Raid Discussion in an attempt to escalate, as direct attempts to contact Rogean in an escalation effort are not fruitful.

Seems like a logical progression of events, from "train occurs" up to this point....just haven't come to an agreement yet.


It isn't a "hard-on I carry from Chesthate".

I tried to talk to the guy reasonably myself when another situation occurred (Was an Inny I believe) and he has this same attitude about everything. It's like the guy has completely lost the ability to be reasonable or social without verbal diarrhea spewing from him. The things he does and says causes more problems than they solve in most situations.

It's obvious that it is having an effect on this situation as well.

[arsenalpow]

Integrity is so toxic.

[arsenalpow]

It isn't a "hard-on I carry from Chesthate".

I tried to talk to the guy reasonably myself when another situation occurred (Was an Inny I believe) and he has this same attitude about everything. It's like the guy has completely lost the ability to be reasonable or social without verbal diarrhea spewing from him. The things he does and says causes more problems than they solve in most situations.

It's obvious that it is having an effect on this situation as well.

And my position of removing face trackers from tagging is now a drum that Mazam is furiously banging. Add soothsayer to my list of titles.

[Lazie]

Integrity is so toxic.

:rolleyes:

Please, it's personal grudges you are trying to pass off as integrity. Your Integrity shined through when you went into fear after people were already in there helping a smaller/newer guild on their first fear clear. Pounding that drum doesn't work when most of your actions say the opposite.

[khanable]

Glorious Dear Leader Soothsayer Chest, of house Bregan, first of his name, king of the Casuals and the Entitled, Lord of the two Raid Classes, and protector of the Loot Vending Machine

[Lazie]

And my position of removing face trackers from tagging is now a drum that Mazam is furiously banging. Add soothsayer to my list of titles.

Go ahead and take credit for something several people have brought up. You were one of a few that brought it up. Love that integrity taking credit for several peoples ideas.

[Lazie]

Glorious Dear Leader Soothsayer Chest, of house Bregan, first of his name, king of the Casuals and the Entitled, Lord of the two Raid Classes, and protector of the Loot Vending Machine

I wouldn't call him entitled. I do like the rest of the title though.

[Hitpoint]

You're reinforcing my point. It's not an excuse. It's the reason why he wasn't the person to file the petition. It's the reason why Cucumbers proxied the conversation initially after the event.

I don't have any problem with you or most of the trolls in RnF - but the hard-on's you carry from your Chesthate is second to none.

Take him out of the equation. Train occurs. Train is denied as being a train by an officer of TMO. Talk ensues later in vent, doesn't go well. Petition is filed. Petition was immediately denied without being vetted completely. Talks continue, and post is made in Raid Discussion in an attempt to escalate, as direct attempts to contact Rogean in an escalation effort are not fruitful.

Seems like a logical progression of events, from "train occurs" up to this point....just haven't come to an agreement yet.

The logical progression of events should have been.

Train occurs. Train is denied as being a train by an officer of TMO. Talk ensues later in vent, doesn't go well. Petition is filed. No mention of absurd two month suspension is made. Trainer is dealt with by GMs via petition forum as per usual. Case closed.

[khanable]

That was a funsies jab at Class R, actually

[Lazie]

That was a funsies jab at Class R, actually

It worked.

[Hitpoint]

The logical progression of events should have been.

Train occurs. Train is denied as being a train by an officer of TMO. Talk ensues later in vent, doesn't go well. Petition is filed. No mention of absurd two month suspension is made. Trainer is dealt with by GMs via petition forum as per usual. Case closed.

It's Chests crusade to destroy TMO that turned this into a complete shitshow. Not every dispute that occurs between guilds is taken directly to the raid discussion forums when the petitioner's ridiculous demands aren't immediately met by GMs.

[Anichek]

The logical progression of events should have been.

Train occurs. Train is denied as being a train by an officer of TMO. Talk ensues later in vent, doesn't go well. Petition is filed. No mention of absurd two month suspension is made. Trainer is dealt with by GMs via petition forum as per usual. Case closed.

The 2 months is the antithesis to "we'll have him pull for you" as punishment.

Would TMO ever, EVER want a BDA member to pull a raid for them?

Both were equally ridiculous.

[Lazie]

The 2 months is the antithesis to "we'll have him pull for you" as punishment.

Would TMO ever, EVER want a BDA member to pull a raid for them?

Both were equally ridiculous.

There really isn't another resolution to this though. I mean besides us AoEing Fear for you guys and letting you loot the corpses. We don't know what the compensation should be for people being immature and one guy doing something wrong on his own.

I understand the view point many of you have and how what he did is upsetting. You can't blame the entire member base of our guild for that... Just like we can't hold grudges and hold all of your members accountable because Chest is the way he is. Just put something reasonable on the table and you will be surprised how easy everyone is to work with.

[arsenalpow]

There really isn't another resolution to this though. I mean besides us AoEing Fear for you guys and letting you loot the corpses. We don't know what the compensation should be for people being immature and one guy doing something wrong on his own.

I understand the view point many of you have and how what he did is upsetting. You can't blame the entire member base of our guild for that... Just like we can't hold grudges and hold all of your members accountable because Chest is the way he is. Just put something reasonable on the table and you will be surprised how easy everyone is to work with.

Except chest didn't train a TMO raid. Me being an intolerant curmudgeon isn't against the rules.

[Lazie]

Except chest didn't train a TMO raid. Me being an intolerant curmudgeon isn't against the rules.

I mean the spin and deflection is nice by you, but it doesn't resolve anything. When do we get past your grudges and resolve this like reasonable people. You shouldn't need your hand held by a GM to force you to be reasonable and make decisions for you all the time.

[Hitpoint]

The 2 months is the antithesis to "we'll have him pull for you" as punishment.

Would TMO ever, EVER want a BDA member to pull a raid for them?

Both were equally ridiculous.

I'm saying that mention of the 2 month suspension should have been left out of the petition. That's why it wasn't taken seriously.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

When did people petitioning get to start suggesting punishments, anyway?

[Cecily]

I suggest Dinacarl and Skarry both have their epics deleted, then we move on and put this all behind us.

[SCB]

Only solution is to disband TMO and permaban all accounts currently in the guild.

[Hitpoint]

Only solution is to disband TMO and permaban all accounts currently in the guild.

This will be in Chest's next petition.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

This will be in Chest's next petition.

It's only fair, you saw the fraps bro. It's like I was fucking there.

[Lazie]

This will be in Chest's next petition.

I'm all for it. My jav spam finger might recover with years of therapy if I stop now.

[SCB]

It's only fair, you saw the fraps bro. It's like I was fucking there.

Now we're getting somewhere! How deep does this rabbit hole go?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Now we're getting somewhere! How deep does this rabbit hole go?

I've got fucking flashbacks man. So many bodies...

[arsenalpow]

Sesserdrix Scorcese, award winning fraps director.

[Ella`Ella]

Would TMO ever, EVER want a BDA member to pull a raid for them?



Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea what lengths I would go to in order to have Chest pull for TMO?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Sesserdrix Scorcese, award winning fraps director.

With this and the Taken fraps, I'm starting to think we've angered the screen actors guild or something.

[Emsee]

Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea what lengths I would go to in order to have Chest pull for TMO?

I would come back to see this myself.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea what lengths I would go to in order to have Chest pull for TMO?

Chest is VP keyed is he not? Would be honored to have him full nexona tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64

^^

[Lazie]

Chest is VP keyed is he not? Would be honored to have him full nexona tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64

^^

Would love to see this too.

[Ambrotos]

When did people petitioning get to start suggesting punishments, anyway?

Every guild has done it. I always found it stupid. I think the only guild I had seen not tell the staff what the punishment should be was Taken.

[Cecily]

Well clearly there's a precedent for guilds suggesting punishments.

[Hitpoint]

Would love to see this too.

Yes I'd also love the RNF threads.

"TMO kills BDA FTE"

"TMO learns how to KS from IB"

"Welcome to Class C BDA"

[Lazie]

Yes I'd also love the RNF threads.

"TMO kills BDA FTE"

"TMO learns how to KS from IB"

"Welcome to Class C BDA"

Well he can flop the FTE to someone else at the end of the pull if he makes it that far.

[Hitpoint]

Well he can flop the FTE to someone else at the end of the pull if he makes it that far.

"Chest trains TMO puller in VP"

"Chest's revenge"

"TMO planned the whole thing"

[Lazie]

"Chest trains TMO puller in VP"

"Chest's revenge"

"TMO planned the whole thing"

HAHA Well we can make an agreement that we won't claim that beforehand.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Chest, would you like to pull Nexona tomorrow :3

[khanable]

The Glorious Dear Leader doesn't pull mobs. Upon entering a zone, the mobs approach him and beg for a quick death.

[Lazie]

The Glorious Dear Leader doesn't pull mobs. Upon entering a zone, the mobs approach him and beg for a quick death.

He talks them to death more than likely. ;)

[Wonkie]

Only solution is to disband TMO and permaban all accounts currently in the guild.

this but unironically

[Emsee]

this but unironically

BDA bro's I posted in RNF!

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://i60.tinypic.com/wjxn3p.gif

[Ella`Ella]

Glorious Dear Leader Soothsayer Chest, of house Bregan, first of his name, king of the Casuals and the Entitled, Lord of the two Raid Classes, and protector of the Loot Vending Machine

Why should Caesar just get to stomp around like a giant while the rest of us try not to get smushed under his big feet? Brutus is just as cute as Caesar, right? Brutus is just as smart as Caesar, people totally like Brutus just as much as they like Caesar, and when did it become okay for one person to be the boss of everybody because that's not what Rome is about! We should totally just STAB CAESAR!

[bigsykedaddy]

-Zone disruption, around other people where sitting gets them killed
-Number of trains that occurred that day: 1, wasn't ours
-Number of people who were sitting who ours mobs attacked: 0
-Zone disruption


You killed 2 of our enchanters with your shenanigans right off the bat.

[Clark]

Why should Caesar just get to stomp around like a giant while the rest of us try not to get smushed under his big feet? Brutus is just as cute as Caesar, right? Brutus is just as smart as Caesar, people totally like Brutus just as much as they like Caesar, and when did it become okay for one person to be the boss of everybody because that's not what Rome is about! We should totally just STAB CAESAR!

:cool:

[Tasslehofp99]

The only impression that I get from this thread is that BDA collectively thinks that their guild is full of saints who have never trained, kill stealed, or ninja looted.

We all know that this is bullshit; Ive personally been trained/kill stealed by BDA officers for king tranix as well as had them leapfrog me for an efreeti that I spawned(they had a bard lull past me while i was getting a fresh bat pet and pull efreeti to ent.)

I'm sure many of us have been wronged by people in every guild at one point or another. While two wrongs certainly don't make a right; the hypocrisy on display in this thread by BDA members is laughable.

Maybe we should start a new thread dedicated to fraps of BDA members breaking rules outside of a raiding situation and then demand they take 2 months off from their loot rotation.

Ps: you guys should probably apologize to Genocidal Tendencies for shitting all over their first raid experience as a guild on p99. That alone should get you toxic fucks suspended for a week. I won't even get into the fact that anyone who thinks TMO is the same guild they were even 1 year ago is a clueless retard.

[bigsykedaddy]

This just gets better.

4 members of TMO and GC are clearing entrance in fear.
TMO apparently had been there for almost an hour doing a crawl.
BDA monk Reyjyn or however you spell this shit zones in and flops to
See what's happening. Chest makes the calls for a kite to start up and have Bda zone in
And truck over to north wall. Unfortunately when Chestnuts and guild zone in they
Train the people killing at portal either way. Unbrella survives the chaos with
A Mage summon and keeps the survivors up from total wipe.

So...Chest full well knowing a force was engaged at zone beforehand pretty much
Said fuck them in a nut shell from the start.

Keep it classy Chesticle.

[SCB]

Stuff.

I liked you better when you pretended you stood for something good. I knew you never did, but at least you pretended.

[Troubled]

The only impression that I get from this thread is that BDA collectively thinks that their guild is full of saints who have never trained, kill stealed, or ninja looted.

We all know that this is bullshit; Ive personally been trained/kill stealed by BDA officers for king tranix as well as had them leapfrog me for an efreeti that I spawned(they had a bard lull past me while i was getting a fresh bat pet and pull efreeti to ent.)

I'm sure many of us have been wronged by people in every guild at one point or another. While two wrongs certainly don't make a right; the hypocrisy on display in this thread by BDA members is laughable.

Maybe we should start a new thread dedicated to fraps of BDA members breaking rules outside of a raiding situation and then demand they take 2 months off from their loot rotation.

Ps: you guys should probably apologize to Genocidal Tendencies for shitting all over their first raid experience as a guild on p99. That alone should get you toxic fucks suspended for a week. I won't even get into the fact that anyone who thinks TMO is the same guild they were even 1 year ago is a clueless retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXWbMu4PtpE

[Tasslehofp99]

I liked you better when you pretended you stood for something good. I knew you never did, but at least you pretended.

Hate to say this but whatever it is (TMO, I'm asssuming) you think I stood up against doesn't exist anymore. Their guild was disbanded and reformed under new leadership. Anyone saying otherwise has no grasp on the reality of the situation.

Y'all can carry on with the baseless trolling though, helps me pass some time at work.

[Nivar Quartz]

Hate to say this but whatever it is (TMO, I'm asssuming) you think I stood up against doesn't exist anymore. Their guild was disbanded and reformed under new leadership. Anyone saying otherwise has no grasp on the reality of the situation.

Y'all can carry on with the baseless trolling though, helps me pass some time at work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6WXH9QFOc

[SCB]

Hate to say this but whatever it is (TMO, I'm asssuming) you think I stood up against doesn't exist anymore.

You used to pretend that you cared about the server being less hostile to one another. Now you just fire off the same shit with a different guild tag. At least in FE you could lie to yourself and pretend you were the underdog hero. But make no mistake, you were lying to yourself.

I know all you guys. I've known most of what was once FE across three or four different guilds. Some of you dudes are really cool people, even among the coolest people I've met on the server.

On the other hand, there's the guys like Tass.

[Wonkie]

BDA bro's I posted in RNF!

what

[Tasslehofp99]

You used to pretend that you cared about the server being less hostile to one another. Now you just fire off the same shit with a different guild tag. At least in FE you could lie to yourself and pretend you were the underdog hero. But make no mistake, you were lying to yourself.

I know all you guys. I've known most of what was once FE across three or four different guilds. Some of you dudes are really cool people, even among the coolest people I've met on the server.

On the other hand, there's the guys like Tass.


Dinacarl was removed from TMO as a result of his actions and all efforts were made by TMO to right the situation. This was met with an unrealistic proposal by chest that TMO takes a 2 month suspension.

Since you were in FE with us then you should remember many FORMER TMO members training FE and getting away with it; they wouldn't even be guildremoved and were rarely suspended. Since reforming TMO has done everything possible to avoid stepping on other guilds toes as well as making some very generous concessions in situations where a rule may have been broken or someone in TMO fucks up, intentionally or not.

The simple fact that dinacarl was removed the same day of the incident and TMO exhausted all options to resolve this dispute before chest decided to waste more of the staffs time should be an indication that TMO is not the same guild as they once were.

PS:
I'm not sure what I've been firing off as my first post in this thread was on the last page.

Back to work :(

[Emsee]

You used to pretend that you cared about the server being less hostile to one another.

Sounds a lot like BDA

[Troubled]

Dinacarl was removed from TMO as a result of his actions and all efforts were made by TMO to right the situation. This was met with an unrealistic proposal by chest that TMO takes a 2 month suspension.

Since you were in FE with us then you should remember many FORMER TMO members training FE and getting away with it; they wouldn't even be guildremoved and were rarely suspended. Since reforming TMO has done everything possible to avoid stepping on other guilds toes as well as making some very generous concessions in situations where a rule may have been broken or someone in TMO fucks up, intentionally or not.

The simple fact that dinacarl was removed the same day of the incident and TMO exhausted all options to resolve this dispute before chest decided to waste more of the staffs time should be an indication that TMO is not the same guild as they once were.

PS:
I'm not sure what I've been firing off as my first post in this thread was on the last page.

Back to work :(

Spoken like someone who truly wasn't there.

[Emsee]

Sounds a lot like BDA

[Shinko]

want to know why TMO is a skumbag guild?

they make us raid SKY on Sundays!

[toosweet]

Chest prepping for more battles with tmo scum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRl3Dp5J9U

[kotton05]

want to know why TMO is a skumbag guild?

they make us raid SKY on Sundays!

Remember on your bday when we bphoned full repop, you was on point.

[Kekephee]

You killed 2 of our enchanters with your shenanigans right off the bat.

This just gets better.

4 members of TMO and GC are clearing entrance in fear.
TMO apparently had been there for almost an hour doing a crawl.
BDA monk Reyjyn or however you spell this shit zones in and flops to
See what's happening. Chest makes the calls for a kite to start up and have Bda zone in
And truck over to north wall. Unfortunately when Chestnuts and guild zone in they
Train the people killing at portal either way. Unbrella survives the chaos with
A Mage summon and keeps the survivors up from total wipe.

So...Chest full well knowing a force was engaged at zone beforehand pretty much
Said fuck them in a nut shell from the start.

Keep it classy Chesticle.


I'm pretty curious about how it's possible to have been killing at the portal for an hour and still have enough mobs up for someone to immediately take aggro upon zoning in. You'd think the, like, 8 mobs that are within aggro range of the zonein would be dead after an hour you know?

[bigsykedaddy]

You're reinforcing my point. It's not an excuse. It's the reason why he wasn't the person to file the petition. It's the reason why Cucumbers proxied the conversation initially after the event.

I don't have any problem with you or most of the trolls in RnF - but the hard-on's you carry from your Chesthate is second to none.

Take him out of the equation. Train occurs. Train is denied as being a train by an officer of TMO. Talk ensues later in vent, doesn't go well. Petition is filed. Petition was immediately denied without being vetted completely. Talks continue, and post is made in Raid Discussion in an attempt to escalate, as direct attempts to contact Rogean in an escalation effort are not fruitful.

Seems like a logical progression of events, from "train occurs" up to this point....just haven't come to an agreement yet.

I like how you and chesty poo have Sons of Anarchy forum avatars, sooooo hard.

[Ravager]

the hypocrisy on display in this thread by BDA members is laughable.

You don't have a very good eye for your craft.

[Godefroi]

This isnt going anywhere.

Trial by battle, Chest vs Kingore in the arena.

Chest might cry and refuse the battle arguing Kingore has VP loot though

[Anichek]

I like how you and chesty poo have Sons of Anarchy forum avatars, sooooo hard.

I just got into the show....and then read how Tommy Flanagan got his Glasgow Smile, dude's a tough son of a bitch.

Enjoying a show doesn't make me hard.

[greenblze420]

honestly i fucking love tmo but hes your member and he trained so raid suspend tmo and if tmo wants to cry about it then tell your members to shape up or ship out... im sure things like this would happen alot less if people were accountable for their actions

[Lazie]

Just a quick question for my BDA friends...How many trackers did Taken and BDA have at Naggy's spawn when the worked together to kill it yesterday ? 2 each ? Because if you assist on a mob you must have only 2 representatives at the spawn combined.


:)

[greenblze420]

I was trained by a BDA Iky monk in KC other night. I sent him a tell asking "WTF" he said Im TMO and I should be used to trains. So by BDA standards they should be raid suspended? Keep in mind this was before VS spawned!

BDA members are just making Chest's job even harder lol


this dude should get a fucking lifetime ban for fucking accusing me of being BDA thats fucking worse then training people

[hatelore]

I liked you better when you pretended you stood for something good. I knew you never did, but at least you pretended.

lawl

[Olidaen_Delacroix]

Q: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash.


Play Nice Policy

Intentional training will be severely disciplined.
Guilds are encouraged to work out disputes among themselves before involving the staff.
All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.

:cool:

[Millburn]

I don't have anything to contribute, I just really like this gif.

http://i.imgur.com/RcfpJ.gif

[Arteker]

Why should Caesar just get to stomp around like a giant while the rest of us try not to get smushed under his big feet? Brutus is just as cute as Caesar, right? Brutus is just as smart as Caesar, people totally like Brutus just as much as they like Caesar, and when did it become okay for one person to be the boss of everybody because that's not what Rome is about! We should totally just STAB CAESAR!

Syc semper tyrannis

[cams]

An issue that seems to be lost on by some people in this thread is the proportionality of the punishment vs. the crime when negotiating between guilds. TMO believes that because they trained a raid, that offering to pull a raid for that guild and removing a member is a proportional response. However, when dealing with other guilds TMO hasn't always had that stance. For example, there was a time when IB trained Nexona over TMO. The train did not even result in TMO losing the mob (they still got Nexona), but because of the train they felt they should be compensated for something IB agreed to give them the next Nexona. This was deemed by them to be insufficient to make up for the train and they requested 3 separate mobs in VP uncontested.

So when TMO gets trained but still kills the mobs, they feel entitled to 3 completely unrelated mobs, however, when they train someone and wipe their raid they feel that guild is only entitled to what they potentially lost. With that sort of mindset, it is difficult to reach an agreement on punishment between guilds. While Chest's request for 2 months is equally ridiculous, if TMO isn't willing to lose more than their train caused, I don't see how anyone can expect BDA to accept any of their offers or to even offer something less that what they have already. BDA is the offended party here, they should not be required to accept the offer TMO is making, and the onus to avoid GM intervention should be on them, not BDA.

[Fael]

That nexona train agreement was totally isolated as your describe, and not connected to numerous prior disputes and demands by Getsome and company.

Are you really suggesting that iB has been more willing to make consessions in raid disputes these past few months ?

Dolic.

[Lazie]

An issue that seems to be lost on by some people in this thread is the proportionality of the punishment vs. the crime when negotiating between guilds. TMO believes that because they trained a raid, that offering to pull a raid for that guild and removing a member is a proportional response. However, when dealing with other guilds TMO hasn't always had that stance. For example, there was a time when IB trained Nexona over TMO. The train did not even result in TMO losing the mob (they still got Nexona), but because of the train they felt they should be compensated for something IB agreed to give them the next Nexona. This was deemed by them to be insufficient to make up for the train and they requested 3 separate mobs in VP uncontested.

So when TMO gets trained but still kills the mobs, they feel entitled to 3 completely unrelated mobs, however, when they train someone and wipe their raid they feel that guild is only entitled to what they potentially lost. With that sort of mindset, it is difficult to reach an agreement on punishment between guilds. While Chest's request for 2 months is equally ridiculous, if TMO isn't willing to lose more than their train caused, I don't see how anyone can expect BDA to accept any of their offers or to even offer something less that what they have already. BDA is the offended party here, they should not be required to accept the offer TMO is making, and the onus to avoid GM intervention should be on them, not BDA.

Someone lied to you about that Nexona situation. I imagine it was leadership again.

[cams]

No, I'm saying you guys requesting compensation for a mob you lost nothing on, and refusing a free shot at that same mob (because Nexona sucks) but instead requesting 3 completely unrelated mobs uncontested is a punishment that is not proportional to the crime. However, now when dealing with BDA you feel that they are being unreasonable for requesting compensation greater than what they lost. At the very least it seems BDA should get a free shot at one of TMO's mobs, much like TMO was requesting a free shot at additional mobs for a train from IB.

TMO gets trained, but still kills them mob = we should get 3 mobs of our choosing in VP.

TMO trains another guild = they lost nothing, so why should we be willing to offer more than our monk pulling for them.

These two stances are incompatible with reaching an amicable resolution between guilds.

[Lazie]

No, I'm saying you guys requesting compensation for a mob you lost nothing on, and refusing a free shot at that same mob (because Nexona sucks) but instead requesting 3 completely unrelated mobs uncontested is a punishment that is not proportional to the crime. However, now when dealing with BDA you feel that they are being unreasonable for requesting compensation greater than what they lost. At the very least it seems BDA should get a free shot at one of TMO's mobs, much like TMO was requesting a free shot at additional mobs for a train from IB.

TMO gets trained, but still kills them mob = we should get 3 mobs of our choosing in VP.

TMO trains another guild = they lost nothing, so why should we be willing to offer more than our monk pulling for them.

These two stances are incompatible with reaching an amicable resolution between guilds.


Again someone lied to you. I feel bad that you ate that lie up so easy.

[Olidaen_Delacroix]

IB KS draco by mistake, they don't touch the body and port out. No harm was done to TMO. IB is suspended for 2 weeks.

[Lazie]

IB KS draco by mistake, they don't touch the body and port out. No harm was done to TMO. IB is suspended for 2 weeks.

IB looted the corpse and checked it. Saw it had no BCGs and then ported out without discussing the issue of a 2nd KS in 3 days with officers in the guild. It's hard to mistake an FTE shout. They guy with the FTE shout was guild tagged this time too. You guys had 2 players in zone when the FTE shout went out. Claiming a mistake and lying about not checking the corpse is comical.

[Olidaen_Delacroix]

Someone lied to you. I feel bad that you ate that lie up so easy.

[cams]

Again someone lied to you. I feel bad that you ate that lie up so easy.

Please enlighten us then Lazie, what did happen? Keep in mind I got my information from personal conversations with both IB and TMO officers who were actually involved in negotiation. You'll excuse me if I hold their information in a bit higher regard than some scrub who has been here 6 months and whose main role in TMO is playing forum warrior.

[Lazie]

Please enlighten us then Lazie, what did happen? Keep in mind I got my information from personal conversations with both IB and TMO officers who were actually involved in negotiation. You'll excuse me if I hold their information in a bit higher regard than some scrub who has been here 6 months and whose main role in TMO is playing forum warrior.

Really ? Share the information then. What you have is a lie you are telling. I call your bluff sir.

[cams]

Umm, I already did share the information? You said it was a lie. For this to work you need to tell me what part of it is a lie. Are you really this dumb?

[Lazie]

As for information from an IB officer...Well they generally lie to their members about what actually happens..That was evident to anyone who saw what Getsome posted during the merger talks on your very boards. I don't doubt at all that is the story IB officers told.

[sanforce]

An issue that seems to be lost on by some people in this thread is the proportionality of the punishment vs. the crime when negotiating between guilds. TMO believes that because they trained a raid

Can you please explain what BDA was raiding in Fear? I'm fairly certain that Draco and CT weren't even in window at the time of this incident, meaning there was no "raiding" going on. It was two groups of people, one person stepped out of line and has been internally punished by TMO for his actions. This was not a raid, so asking for raid punishment is ridiculous.

[Lazie]

Umm, I already did share the information? You said it was a lie. For this to work you need to tell me what part of it is a lie. Are you really this dumb?

You didn't you made baseless accusations without any proof behind it. It's a fun story that you made up but it didn't happen.

[cams]

Here, I'll help you out. My claim was that TMO got trained by Nexona, still killed Nexona, and refused a free Nexona as compensation. Instead they wanted 3 separate mobs in VP as compensation.

Now, what part of that is a lie? Did you not get trained by Nexona? Did you not kill Nexona? Did you not refuse a free Nexona as compensation? Or did you not request 3 completely unrelated VP mobs as compensation? This is pretty simple. You can't just claim something is a lie, and then when asked what in particular is a lie request the other party to prove what they said is true. I need to know what you're claiming is a lie before I can response.

[Lazie]

Here, I'll help you out. My claim was that TMO got trained by Nexona, still killed Nexona, and refused a free Nexona as compensation. Instead they wanted 3 separate mobs in VP as compensation.

Now, what part of that is a lie? Did you not get trained by Nexona? Did you not kill Nexona? Did you not refuse a free Nexona as compensation? Or did you not request 3 completely unrelated VP mobs as compensation? This is pretty simple. You can't just claim something is a lie, and then when asked what in particular is a lie request the other party to prove what they said is true. I need to know what you're claiming is a lie before I can response.

The part you just told is a lie. Sorry if your officers misinformed you.

[Detoxx]

The part you just told is a lie. Sorry if your officers misinformed you.

Quit wasting your time with this anon IB troll who thinks hes important, but clearly is a dunce. The part that is a lie is that we never asked for 3 mobs for that Nexona train, and it was blatant as fuck.

Also, you guys claim "lolol it was a mistake we didnt loot draco after we KS'd", you simply saw that there was no BCGs and said "oops lol our bad, all loot is yours TMO!". But then, 2 days earlier, because Fay had 2 Water Shields, you go on this who charade that "He wasnt tagged in TMO, omg it means that it could be anyones mob, here taken, take this extra shield and back us up please!"

Fuckin scumbags

[cams]

So your claim is this whole even just never happened?

[Lazie]

So your claim is this whole even just never happened?

We got what we asked for when your officers refused to negotiate when it went to GMs.

[Man0warr]

Can you please explain what BDA was raiding in Fear? I'm fairly certain that Draco and CT weren't even in window at the time of this incident, meaning there was no "raiding" going on. It was two groups of people, one person stepped out of line and has been internally punished by TMO for his actions. This was not a raid, so asking for raid punishment is ridiculous.

We were raiding Fear - it's a raid because we had a raid force, per the rules:

Q: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash.

[cams]

I have no idea how you can be this dumb Lazie. Also, I dont care about hiding my identity, I'm pretty sure Unbrella and some others can figure out who I am. I've always thought the no RnF under your real name thing but allowing anon accounts was kind of dumb, but while it is the policy I'm inclined to abide by it.

As far as the event, if I remember correctly from my conversation with Unbrella, you guy were requesting a free Xygoz, Druushk and Hoshkar in response to the Nexona incident. I said I thought it was dumb at the time, he disagreed, and then we talked about other stuff because I don't dwell on raid disputes with friends. But to claim the whole thing never happened or isn't comparable to this incident is ridiculous and just shows how either (a) misinformed Lazie is or (b) willing to try and spin a situation he is.

[Lazie]

I have no idea how you can be this dumb Lazie. Also, I dont care about hiding my identity, I'm pretty sure Unbrella and some others can figure out who I am. I've always thought the no RnF under your real name thing but allowing anon accounts was kind of dumb, but while it is the policy I'm inclined to abide by it.

As far as the event, if I remember correctly from my conversation with Unbrella, you guy were requesting a free Xygoz, Druushk and Hoshkar in response to the Nexona incident. I said I thought it was dumb at the time, he disagreed, and then we talked about other stuff because I don't dwell on raid disputes with friends. But to claim the whole thing never happened or isn't comparable to this incident is ridiculous and just shows how either (a) misinformed Lazie is or (b) willing to try and spin a situation he is.

Yeah. So post the logs of that conversation. Shouldn't be hard to find. I am calling your bluff.

[Shinko]

You have been banned from this guild site. Bans are guild specific. You still have access to any other sites you are not banned from on the Guild Launch network.


bda does not like the truth posted on there public forums

[Lazie]

I gotta run for now but by all means post the logs of that conversation. I pretty much guarantee you aren't "Remembering correctly" now all of a sudden. Later.

:)

[Troubled]

You have been banned from this guild site. Bans are guild specific. You still have access to any other sites you are not banned from on the Guild Launch network.


bda does not like the truth posted on there public forums

Still mad about VS?

[cams]

Sorry, I don't post logs of private conversations between friends regarding guild stuff. I don't mind talking about the general gist of the conversation since it was already all included in the raid petition, but part of the reason I'm able to keep friends in competing guilds and not get wrapped up in all the guild drama is because I keep private conversations private.

I'm sure you can ask Unbrella about it, I don't see any reason for him to deny that TMO requested 3 mobs in compensation. My point wasn't that TMO was unreasonable in that account (although I think you were), simply that when viewed in comparison to this instance, your not being consistent in what you believe is an appropriate punishment for training a raid.

[Pheer]

Intention training will be severely disciplined.


......Unless you're TMO, then its a "rogue member" who acted alone and you get to pick your own punishment (aka nothing)

[doyoueventrainbro]

Intention training will be severely disciplined.


......Unless you're TMO, then its a "rogue member" who acted alone and you get to pick your own punishment (aka nothing)

For real.

What's the deal with the staff saying they will severely discipline training but seem to not give a shit when it happens? OH WHY??

[Fael]

When four members of a guild are farming gorillas in fear, for their own benefit and one of them intentionally does something illegal that doesn't constituent guild action. How hard is that for you dumbasses to understand.

Such Individuals are severely punished.

When an entire guild ignores FTE messages and kill steals then THAT is guild action.

This is not hard. Quit being trolls.

Dolic

[Gaffin 7.0]

tldr

[Man0warr]

4? Lazie said you guys had up to 9 TMO at one point.

[quido]

I love TMO

[Fael]

Why would 11 people enter fear just to farm monk armor ?
Classic chewbaca defense scenario: if it doesn't make sense so you must acquit.

[kotton05]

I love TMO

Love you too, also I can't believe the anger over this. Wish they'd just let us go back to the way it used to be. Then BDA would really have something to cry about. Shesh, from what I've gathered someone *cough* needs to learn to let go of grudges and just be happy.

[Cecily]

Can't imagine the outrage next FFA Inny is gonna cause lol.

[Snackies]

This one time I had a grudge but it turned out I was sitting on two Skittles

[Clark]

When four members of a guild are farming gorillas in fear, for their own benefit and one of them intentionally does something illegal that doesn't constituent guild action. How hard is that for you dumbasses to understand.

Such Individuals are severely punished.

When an entire guild ignores FTE messages and kill steals then THAT is guild action.

This is not hard. Quit being trolls.

Dolic

[Hitpoint]

if I remember correctly from my conversation with Unbrella, you guy were requesting a free Xygoz, Druushk and Hoshkar in response to the Nexona incident.

You remember incorrectly. It was three VP dragons (probably those three I don't remember) for the nexona train AND the trakanon pathing exploit.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

You remember incorrectly. It was three VP dragons (probably those three I don't remember) for the nexona train AND the trakanon pathing exploit.

Which even I'll admit this shit needs to stop. Perhaps it's just that "work it out amongst yourselves" has literally never fucking worked. Kind of like the original raid discussion and how 2 months out I fucking called that without authority (i. e. being able to set a binding vote or something of that manner) that it'd just be spewing garbage back n forth. And so it was.

I take that back, actually, we did work out something with Taken with this VS--but did they attempt to go to the GMs first and took what we gave as consolation or was this actually worked out among the guilds?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also, it has not worked because of the same reasons--we have no way to make such agreements binding and no way to impose penalty if such an agreement is broken. We need P99 notaries, for starters.

[Pheer]

You remember incorrectly. It was three VP dragons (probably those three I don't remember) for the nexona train AND the trakanon pathing exploit.

even if that were true itd still be ridiculous

[HeallunRumblebelly]

even if that were true itd still be ridiculous

Nor is it on us to decide what they give up. These discussions are blackmail more than any kind of agreements. On both sides.

[Hitpoint]

even if that were true itd still be ridiculous

I agree.

[Hitpoint]

A lot of what goes on these days in the raid scene is ridiculous though. One ridiculous thing pays back another. It's still better than it used to be, imo.

[YendorLootmonkey]

When four members of a guild are farming gorillas in fear, for their own benefit and one of them intentionally does something illegal that doesn't constituent guild action. How hard is that for you dumbasses to understand.

Because doing illegal shit was supposed to have a punishment so severe, it would serve as an effective deterrent against intentional training which -- with a rational/reasonable playerbase -- would drastically reduce the amount of instances of this happening that a GM would have to get involved with.

Under which scenario is an individual least likely to train another raid intentionally?

a) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, I may or may not get punished, and if I do, it's just me. I eat a week suspension. Maybe kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

b) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, my ENTIRE GUILD gets raid suspended for at least a week. They will all fucking hate me, and I will get kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

If we're conveniently no longer calling armor clears in Fear or Hate a "raid" for the purposes of rules-lawyers trying to mitigate what happened here, then are armor clears in Fear or Hate prohibited as part of being "suspended from raiding" or are they still fair game for a raid-suspended guild?

I'm sincerely asking for clarification... the punishment/rules seemingly change so much around here depending on which guild gets caught doing something illegal, I honestly don't recall.

[Socratic]

There is a huge difference between a guild as a whole breaking the rules and doing something illegal as a raid, vs. 1-2 people acting on their own and doing something like training/logging in at the wrong spot.

One warrants guild suspension, the other warrants a lesser punishment (usually involving whatever encounter the infraction is centered around, or merely individual suspensions).

It's the underlying principle behind "reasonable" attempts at recompense.

[YendorLootmonkey]

There is a huge difference between a guild as a whole breaking the rules and doing something illegal as a raid, vs. 1-2 people acting on their own and doing something like training/logging in at the wrong spot.

I would argue that too if my guild were just found guilty of raid interference.

[Baldwinning]

your guild just were

[doyoueventrainbro]

Because doing illegal shit was supposed to have a punishment so severe, it would serve as an effective deterrent against intentional training which -- with a rational/reasonable playerbase -- would drastically reduce the amount of instances of this happening that a GM would have to get involved with.

Under which scenario is an individual least likely to train another raid intentionally?

a) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, I may or may not get punished, and if I do, it's just me. I eat a week suspension. Maybe kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

b) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, my ENTIRE GUILD gets raid suspended for at least a week. They will all fucking hate me, and I will get kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

If we're conveniently no longer calling armor clears in Fear or Hate a "raid" for the purposes of rules-lawyers trying to mitigate what happened here, then are armor clears in Fear or Hate prohibited as part of being "suspended from raiding" or are they still fair game for a raid-suspended guild?

I'm sincerely asking for clarification... the punishment/rules seemingly change so much around here depending on which guild gets caught doing something illegal, I honestly don't recall.

Seriously, some staff member please clarify what Yendor is asking for clarification on. I think A LOT of the raiding player base want to know.

[Socratic]

All 3 of the guilds suspended fit. When unreasonable people try to equate the two very different classes of events it doesn't work, as it hasn't worked here. Good luck trying to argue that some scrub doing something stupid on his own should warrant the same punishment as your guild KS'ing and looting someone else's raid mob, then trying to argue ignorance in an attempt to keep the loot.

No one reasonable will go along for the ride.

[Lazie]

4? Lazie said you guys had up to 9 TMO at one point.

I said one group. I thinks logs show that as well. It Fluctuated between 4 and 6 people.

[doyoueventrainbro]

I said one group. I thinks logs show that as well. It Fluctuated between 4 and 6 people.

So where is the line? It's ok to train people if you have 4-6 guild members in a zone?

Is it ok to KS a a draco or something with 3 wizards then and no penalty towards the guild they are aligned in?

Where's the line, bro?

[DeruIsLove]

Because doing illegal shit was supposed to have a punishment so severe, it would serve as an effective deterrent against intentional training which -- with a rational/reasonable playerbase -- would drastically reduce the amount of instances of this happening that a GM would have to get involved with.

Under which scenario is an individual least likely to train another raid intentionally?

a) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, I may or may not get punished, and if I do, it's just me. I eat a week suspension. Maybe kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

b) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, my ENTIRE GUILD gets raid suspended for at least a week. They will all fucking hate me, and I will get kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

If we're conveniently no longer calling armor clears in Fear or Hate a "raid" for the purposes of rules-lawyers trying to mitigate what happened here, then are armor clears in Fear or Hate prohibited as part of being "suspended from raiding" or are they still fair game for a raid-suspended guild?

I'm sincerely asking for clarification... the punishment/rules seemingly change so much around here depending on which guild gets caught doing something illegal, I honestly don't recall.

So if it's B, I can join up into a guild I actually don't like, leech some perks for a whole and then when I get sick of it I can 'do something stupid' and get the whole guild kicked from the raid pool for a while?

IIIIIINTERESTING! :D

[Lazie]

So where is the line? It's ok to train people if you have 4-6 guild members in a zone?

Is it ok to KS a a draco or something with 3 wizards then and no penalty towards the guild they are aligned in?

Where's the line, bro?

Um...It's never ok to train a group of players. That is why TMO doesn't condone it or do it in the raiding environment. That is why the offending player was guild removed. Is Caleros still in IB after training Nexona onto TMO pretty blatantly after IB wiped to Nexona ? Did that Caleros train of Nexona get IB fully raid suspended ? I can answer the 2 questions for you... Yes he is still in IB and no his solo actions did not get IB a full raid suspension. Precedent shows that the penalty is usually not at harsh as you guys are making it out to be. The GM came to that decision as well in the Nexona incident.

As for KSing and what makes a guild liable. I think the encounter logs showing your entire guild on the mob supports that more than "3 Wizards" engaged the Draco. I am sure it would have been a different story if your guild leader's alt wasn't the 4th person on the encounter logs with the rest of your guild when a GM checked it.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Because doing illegal shit was supposed to have a punishment so severe, it would serve as an effective deterrent against intentional training which -- with a rational/reasonable playerbase -- would drastically reduce the amount of instances of this happening that a GM would have to get involved with.

Under which scenario is an individual least likely to train another raid intentionally?

a) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, I may or may not get punished, and if I do, it's just me. I eat a week suspension. Maybe kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

b) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, my ENTIRE GUILD gets raid suspended for at least a week. They will all fucking hate me, and I will get kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

If we're conveniently no longer calling armor clears in Fear or Hate a "raid" for the purposes of rules-lawyers trying to mitigate what happened here, then are armor clears in Fear or Hate prohibited as part of being "suspended from raiding" or are they still fair game for a raid-suspended guild?

I'm sincerely asking for clarification... the punishment/rules seemingly change so much around here depending on which guild gets caught doing something illegal, I honestly don't recall.

The guild didn't do it, though, the player did. You're right about severe punishments, though. I'd say 6 month vacation with perma ban on 2nd offense of intentional training.

[Dragonsblood1987]

AG got suspended for sending 5 people to help another guild with a kill. If TMO doesn't eat one it's verified bush/ towers/ rmt bribes to a gm that rhymes with gherkin.

[VANVEM]

Already answered that before. Not my fault you can't keep up with the BS you spew and the responses it gets.


ok, reread every page and nope, I DO NOT see the answer to my question, so one more time with out the "back and forth, play both sides of the fence, never admit shit til caught red handed" routine. A simple yes or no will suffice

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

anything other than a Yes or no, will show that once again you are avoiding the question

[HeallunRumblebelly]

AG got suspended for sending 5 people to help another guild with a kill. If TMO doesn't eat one it's verified bush/ towers/ rmt bribes to a gm that rhymes with gherkin.

Did AG make that decision as a guild or did those 5 players conspire together? The punishment should fit bearing this in mind. I don't think anyone really wanted AG suspended, that was on the GMs due to the very specific nature of the lockout rules.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

ok, reread every page and nope, I DO NOT see the answer to my question, so one more time with out the "back and forth, play both sides of the fence, never admit shit til caught red handed" routine. A simple yes or no will suffice

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

anything other than a Yes or no, will show that once again you are avoiding the question

Can you clarify what his role in the event was before we answer yes or no :P

[Lazie]

ok, reread every page and nope, I DO NOT see the answer to my question, so one more time with out the "back and forth, play both sides of the fence, never admit shit til caught red handed" routine. A simple yes or no will suffice

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

anything other than a Yes or no, will show that once again you are avoiding the question

I have answered the question before. You seem to be too dense to see your question is a fallacy. Unbrella had no role in the train so the question you are asking is pointless. If being immature in OOC was a crime then everyone would be banned. Officers from both sides were immature in communications that day. It doesn't make the officers accountable for the actions taken by an individual.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Did AG make that decision as a guild or did those 5 players conspire together? The punishment should fit bearing this in mind. I don't think anyone really wanted AG suspended, that was on the GMs due to the very specific nature of the lockout rules.

So basically if TMO trains it's just the one guy at fault as though he's untagged, but if 5 people from guild 1 go to help guild 2 it's hands down definitely a ban worthy guild wide offense? TMO must know just how sirken likes that dick worked.

[Dragonsblood1987]

And I wouldn't call helping a guild out a "conspiracy".

[Lazie]

So basically if TMO trains it's just the one guy at fault as though he's untagged, but if 5 people from guild 1 go to help guild 2 it's hands down definitely a ban worthy guild wide offense? TMO must know just how sirken likes that dick worked.

No the difference is Class R vs Class C. Class R is restricted for a reason. It guarantees spawns that Class C guilds can't touch for other guilds on the server to have an opportunity to kill. Lockouts are in place on these mobs to make sure these spawns can't be monopolized by 1 or 2 guilds. While what AG did (Helping out Europa) isn't something bad in intent. It did break the lockout rule in place that you must follow to be eligible to kill Class R mobs.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

And I wouldn't call helping a guild out a "conspiracy".

Nothing grandiose, bro, just textbook definition. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

And what I'm saying is that guild punishments should be held for guild actions. I've no problem with ultra severe punishments for those who commit them. I'm an Uthgaard man :P

[Dragonsblood1987]

Nothing grandiose, bro, just textbook definition. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

And what I'm saying is that guild punishments should be held for guild actions. I've no problem with ultra severe punishments for those who commit them. I'm an Uthgaard man :P

So why isn't it a guild issue when TMO trains?

[doyoueventrainbro]

AG got suspended for sending 5 people to help another guild with a kill. If TMO doesn't eat one it's verified bush/ towers/ rmt bribes to a gm that rhymes with gherkin.

dayuum

[VANVEM]

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

yes he tried to resolve this issue and was told to fuck off.

How about this do you support/condone/defend Chest your guild leaders actions or behavior ?

answer that smartass

Thanks for playing......

Um actually thats not how it happened: lets review shall we?

here's the actual conversation, get your facts straight

[Mon Jun 02 17:58:11 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'wtf are you doing?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:15 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'chest'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:17 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'send me a tel'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:52 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'yo'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:13 2014] You told Unbrella, 'what'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:18 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'what the fuck are you doing?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:20 2014] Syzzurp says out of character, 'we were here first bro... we are only after the monkies and fiends'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:24 2014] You told Unbrella, 'what the fuck does it look like?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:28 2014] You say out of character, 'syzz'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:34 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'kiting fear and shitting on our camp'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:41 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'we're here for monkeys and fetids'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:13 2014] You told Unbrella, 'we're here to ae the zone'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:23 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'well we're here first'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:25 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'so fuck off'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:30 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'if you're going to be a snatch'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:16 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'really?'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:19 2014] You told Syzzurp, 'yes'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:24 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'can I get the boots if they drop thats all we're after'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:28 2014] You told Syzzurp, 'no, fuck you'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:36 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'we were here first'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:56 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'Sorry to Genocidal Tendancies, your friends in BDA are shitting on your first fear raid.'


So as you can see clearly Unbrella Told Chest to fuck off first. Also if you have been keeping up with the thread, (which is in question since your facts are all screwed up) You will notice that the arguement that TMO was just trying to help GT is shot out the window, since Both Unbrella states he is looking for the "monkies and fetids" and what Syzzurp wants is plainly clear.

Gt was talking to chest too, and there was talk in /gu and vent about letting them just join BDA's raid, but then TMO steps in, and obviously it went down hill from there.

As for your claim that Unbrella tried to resolve the situation:

http://i.imgur.com/eTyEi70.png

Now in case you cant comprehend this, let me explain. Unbrella tried to deny the incident, If TMO or anybody else on the server who claim to be trying to ease the hostilities, want to actually accomplish this task. Then the solution is to immediately step in an resolve stuff, not wait until they have been caught with So Damning evidence that they are FORCED to go into damage control mode. HENCE the reasoning behind:
THIS!
The GM's want people to work things out on their own? FINE!

The implement a policy that makes GM intervention on punishments 10X greater if they are forced to intervene.
Because if The fear of the GM intervention is in place then people will work much harder to STOP all the bullshit. Also id that means that if someone brings frivolous petition to the GMs is called BS, then they get sanctioned, I'd be ok with that.
but consistency for the sanctions regardless of guild would have to be put in place.

and the last issue:
[QUOTE=JayN;1485934]

How about this do you support/condone/defend Chest your guild leaders actions or behavior ?



While I truly wish that BDa had been given the chance to work something out with GT, I have friends in GT that i would have very much liked a chance to help them out in fear. (also lets stop playing the sob story about 1st ever fear raid, it was GT's first on this server, they have experience players in the guild as well)

First off REGARDLESS of ANYONE's personal opinion, Clearing yard trash in fear IS A RAID! this is established in the servers raid policies, it truly does not matter if you like that or not

it is also been established that more than 1 grp can clear in the planes at a time, period. AGAIN does not matter if you agree or not.

So while I wish Chest and all of BDA had been given this opportunity, YEAH I dont see where Chest broke any rules, or where he allowed anyone from BDA to break any rules.
And I assure you that if anyone had, he and the other officers of BDA would not have had to wait until the threat of fraps being made for the GM's or the rest of the server came into the picture before they would have taken action.

So yes I support Chest's role in this issue.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Thanks for playing......

Um actually thats not how it happened: lets review shall we?




So as you can see clearly Unbrella Told Chest to fuck off first. Also if you have been keeping up with the thread, (which is in question since your facts are all screwed up) You will notice that the arguement that TMO was just trying to help GT is shot out the window, since Both Unbrella states he is looking for the "monkies and fetids" and what Syzzurp wants is plainly clear.

Gt was talking to chest too, and there was talk in /gu and vent about letting them just join BDA's raid, but then TMO steps in, and obviously it went down hill from there.

As for your claim that Unbrella tried to resolve the situation:

http://i.imgur.com/eTyEi70.png

Now in case you cant comprehend this, let me explain. Unbrella tried to deny the incident, If TMO or anybody else on the server who claim to be trying to ease the hostilities, want to actually accomplish this task. Then the solution is to immediately step in an resolve stuff, not wait until they have been caught with So Damning evidence that they are FORCED to go into damage control mode. HENCE the reasoning behind:
[QUOTE=VANVEM;1485191]THIS!
The GM's want people to work things out on their own? FINE!

The implement a policy that makes GM intervention on punishments 10X greater if they are forced to intervene.
Because if The fear of the GM intervention is in place then people will work much harder to STOP all the bullshit. Also id that means that if someone brings frivolous petition to the GMs is called BS, then they get sanctioned, I'd be ok with that.
but consistency for the sanctions regardless of guild would have to be put in place.

and the last issue:


While I truly wish that BDa had been given the chance to work something out with GT, I have friends in GT that i would have very much liked a chance to help them out in fear. (also lets stop playing the sob story about 1st ever fear raid, it was GT's first on this server, they have experience players in the guild as well)

First off REGARDLESS of ANYONE's personal opinion, Clearing yard trash in fear IS A RAID! this is established in the servers raid policies, it truly does not matter if you like that or not

it is also been established that more than 1 grp can clear in the planes at a time, period. AGAIN does not matter if you agree or not.

So while I wish Chest and all of BDA had been given this opportunity, YEAH I dont see where Chest broke any rules, or where he allowed anyone from BDA to break any rules.
And I assure you that if anyone had, he and the other officers of BDA would not have had to wait until the threat of fraps being made for the GM's or the rest of the server came into the picture before they would have taken action.

So yes I support Chest's role in this issue.

Ask TMO about the time they came up to hate as AG was starting to clear, watched them clear for about 15 minutes then ported a raid force up and started aeing everything.

[VANVEM]

Unbrella got snarky, and that was the wrong thing, but that should carry no penalty or punishment. It just means he acted like an ass. If you've been paying attention, you'd notice that we have dealt with the offender. The presence of an officer is meaningless if there was no real way to prevent the train. If he knew it was going to happen or if he ordered it, that'd be one thing. Here, someone took the matter into their own hands and ran off the rails. There's nothing that Unbrella could have realistically done to foresee this.



Then we end up in a situation where one party, with little to lose, holds the greater party hostage (see Catherin & raid discussions).



If I say I think someone deserved something does that make me responsible for it? While it's certainly poor taste to pop off as an officer, getting lippy doesn't mean that you should retroactively be considered the cause of something.



In real life, supervisors are responsible for the actions that are within the scope of the underling's duties. When Chest finally snaps and shoots a bunch of people while wearing his work uniform no one will be able to sue Burger King. Shooting people isn't something the management would put him up to nor is it something they should have foreseen. The only responsibility on Burger King is to say "Woah, yeah, he's crazy. GTFO."

That's precisely what happened here. Dinacarl went too far, and the guild has dealt with him.

I find it hilarious how willing people are to attach severe liability to situations that are clearly beyond the control of the ostensibly supervisory parties. If the guild leadership helps someone break the rules, or if they knew or should have known that something bad would happen then you can attach liability. If they refused to discipline the person then you can consider action, especially if that person screws up again after the leadership agreed to continue housing that person.



Stop setting up a false narrative. You're framing the issue as if Unbrella has done something actionable. He got mouthy, but he still was clearly making himself available for honest attempts at resolution. Unbrella did not train BDA. There is one crime here, and it was punished to the maximum extent within TMO's power.

You can not possible be that dense, so lets walk down the path again shall we?

Can BDA prove that Unbrella was instrumental in the train? Nope not even going to try.

but one of two things is true here:

A. Unbrella was at the fear portal, with GT and awaiting the pull, in which case he would only have known about the train and was too quick with a retort to have formed an opinion as to the validity of the train.
B. He witnessed the train and knew what had happened and should have immediately intervened by being an upstanding officer of TMO.

So it doesn't matter that Unbrella wasn't the person that trained, as an officer of the offending character's guild Unbreela had a responsibility to the rest of the server, not just BDA, to Immediately get involved and find out if a rules violation had occurred.

Before you come back with some BS about what Chest did, see my previous post.

No, you see To get the BS on the server to lighten up, we need to have a much heavier hand by the GM's without increasing the workload involved. if it is made to be a huge penalty to get the Gm's involved, then people will stop doing things that need to get the gm's involved. or at least stop recruiting ass hats and police their own ranks BEFORE they humiliate the guild in front of the rest of the server

[ssfarmer]

So i'm assuming by BDA's logic that if i posted the 9 fraps of BDA training me and guildmates at various places in sebilis (including twice to steal a camp) and telling me to fuck off 4/9 times that they would support them eating an 18 month suspensions (since they want a 2 month suspension for 1 member of tmo training them, whereas whole group of bda are the culprits in these cases)..... I mean seb does have a raid mob that spawns there and though he wasnt in window, that doesnt seem to matter in BDA's logic.

TMO is aggreeing that dinacarl is a fucktard in this situation and should be punished (and has been within the guild according to the officers responses in this thread).

just omg get over yourselves and punish the person responsible and not the guild hes in for something that happened in a non raid situation

[Locust]

just omg get over yourselves and punish the person responsible and not the guild hes in for something that happened in a non raid situation

non raid situation lol

[Pico]

hello i am cornerlius the internet wizard from the future. we're currently studying how certain mental conditions evolved and this thread is a major part of our case study, can i please have clarification on what a "fiend" is and hwy it is so sought after by these demented individuals
this will go a long way in bettering our understanding
thank you
your friend
cornerlius

[Verenity]

Yesterday I spent all day at the beach, played FIFA with my bros, drank the rest of the night and fucked my roommate's friend that I was working on.

Real life is pretty cool, fellas. You should try it out sometime.

P.S. Does Sloan still play? I miss that guy

[Locust]

Yesterday I spent all day at the beach, played FIFA with my bros, drank the rest of the night and fucked my roommate's friend that I was working on.

Real life is pretty cool, fellas. You should try it out sometime.

P.S. Does Sloan still play? I miss that guy

fraps or it didnt happen

[Verenity]

fraps or it didnt happen

That would be pornography and illegal without her permission

[Teako]

Only if you distribute it for money without her consent.

[VANVEM]

So i'm assuming by BDA's logic that if i posted the 9 fraps of BDA training me and guildmates at various places in sebilis (including twice to steal a camp) and telling me to fuck off 4/9 times that they would support them eating an 18 month suspensions (since they want a 2 month suspension for 1 member of tmo training them, whereas whole group of bda are the culprits in these cases)..... I mean seb does have a raid mob that spawns there and though he wasnt in window, that doesnt seem to matter in BDA's logic.

TMO is aggreeing that dinacarl is a fucktard in this situation and should be punished (and has been within the guild according to the officers responses in this thread).

just omg get over yourselves and punish the person responsible and not the guild hes in for something that happened in a non raid situation

1. These are not BDA's Logic, They are mine, I do not speak for BDA, get an officer to do that for you.

2. IF you get trained in seb, KC, mm, or crushbone, first you need to decide if you think it's intentional, then if you decide you think it was, confront the individual, if that gets you no where then talk to an officer of their guild, (if they have one). If all of these fail and you do not feel saticfied, you have the option of /petition. it's your right, Do as you feel you must. These events you are describing, just curious, are they recent? say in the last 30 days or so? I seriously douby what you are describing occured as you say, because I do not believe you would allow anyone, BDA or not, to steal your camp.

LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO THESE NEXT @ POINTS AND THIS THREAD COULD?MIGHT STILL ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING

3. Trakanon = raid target
Seb = is not a raid target, (if someone on the way to raid Trak, could violate raid rules in another are of seb, but Trak being up, and a Train occurs unrelated to Trak is not a raid violation.) still wrong though
CT & Draco = Raid targets
FEAR and HATE yard trash(maybe sky, honestly i dont know about Sky) = Raid targets

I am not making this up.

"Q: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash. Most epic NPC's are not strictly considered "raid" mobs. The exception to this is Ragefire, which is considered a 'raid target' for the purposes of qualifying a group as a raid only. For all other intents and purposes, Ragefire is treated like an Epic NPC (IE, camp/poopsock rules do not apply). Please keep in mind that because of the need to clear to a raid target as per our new raid policy, [B]trains enacted on players in the way of your raid are considered raid disputes and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, even though the victims are not part of a raid. It is in your best interest to be very careful when racing for a target."[/B

OMFG GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL! Bda/Chest did not ask for a 2 month riad suspension of TMO, he did say it, as a rebuttal to the suggestion of Tmo having Dinacarl pull a Fear raid for BDA, both suggestions are EQUALLY outrageous and insulting. Chest even says that in his post in the raid discussion thread, but it best serves TMO to keep throwing it out there, like poor TMO, chest is picking on us again, Face it, no one on the server feels sorry for TMO.

But isnt it interesting that Unbrella suggested the Dinacarl pulling the raid, even after he had seen the fraps? still trying to blow it off? AND THAT is why Dinacarl's train is not the only issue, and why the issue IS NOT going to "just go away" And YES YES YES YES YES It was a raid situation, per server rules!

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/dfsfjGb.png

[VANVEM]

http://i.imgur.com/dfsfjGb.png

WoW!!!!

busted so Soon? Fucking Pathetic!

Gee and you guys wonder why your fake /guildremove doesn't even come close to serving as a penalty

[VANVEM]

Someone should post this in the raid discussion thread on this subject, so that is shows the BS for what it really is, Rogean isn't going to see it here

[ssfarmer]

I'm sorry i did get the rules on what is considered a raid wrong.... but i'll keep that in mind (especially when it takes more than 2 people to clear some stuff in seb where everything but the actual raid targets in fear can be duo'd) and the "screenshot" of the tmo webpage is obviously a photoshop (I was logged into a registered account at the time posted and am not listed on the "screenshot" ...... nice try). And just because he supposedly hasnt had his forums account removed completely doesnt mean anything when talking about internal punishments, especially if its still being discussed so openly here let alone on tmos forums

posting fake screenshots is only going to hurt your argument

[Troubled]

I'm sorry i did get the rules on what is considered a raid wrong.... but i'll keep that in mind (especially when it takes more than 2 people to clear some stuff in seb where everything but the actual raid targets in fear can be duo'd) and the "screenshot" of the tmo webpage is obviously a photoshop (I was logged into a registered account at the time posted and am not listed on the "screenshot" ...... nice try). And just because he supposedly hasnt had his forums account removed completely doesnt mean anything when talking about internal punishments, especially if its still being discussed so openly here let alone on tmos forums

posting fake screenshots is only going to hurt your argument

Need a better spin doctor than this.

[fouts85]

/popcorn this is getting good :D

[toosweet]

http://i.imgur.com/dfsfjGb.png

I heard Dinacarl has officer status when he gets back from suspension

[Tasslehofp99]

Need a better spin doctor than this.

Registered users don't necessarily have access to anything on our forums. There are probably 30+ users registered to TMO forums who don't have access to anything besides public forums.



Grasp at straws harder.

[Shinko]

Registered users don't necessarily have access to anything on our forums. There are probably 30+ users registered to TMO forums who don't have access to anything besides public forums.



Grasp at straws harder.

is this how forums work?>

[toosweet]

is this how forums work?>
Motherfucking Forums, how do they work: Insane Clown Posse

[Strifer]

AG got suspended for sending 5 people to help another guild with a kill. If TMO doesn't eat one it's verified bush/ towers/ rmt bribes to a gm that rhymes with gherkin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ITD1tqXDII

[Socratic]

Are people really still trying to justify week+ long guild raid suspensions for some idiot monk training people doing AOE fear? You guys are fucking crazy.

[Swifty]

Best thing second to winning is other people's mishap. When winning is not an option, head to RnF.

[Godefroi]

I bet BDA's plan to get AoW loot is to trick TMO into training entrance giants.

Watch out lads!

[Ella`Ella]

I was 2 boxing Dinacarl and Unbrella.

Newbs.

[Peekayyoo]

Still no one can seems to explain why BDA knowing another guild and more then one guild at that were IN Plane of Fear already! Decided that none of that matter and they were going into Fear anyway also no matter how many people were inside and regardless of what they were killing BDA came right in started to set up shop to AE the whole zone in a matter of Pulls. Its pretty obvious who is in the wrong. Dina could have never trained you if you were not in the zone already occupied by 2 other guilds. If you break into my house and I shoot you in the stomach guess what. Im not in trouble and even better Ill probably get to keep my gun. You know why the second party was in the wrong. Dina shot BDA and now is going to pay the price.

The court of Law and the court of public opinion are not the same Chest


This is irrelevant.

You are arguing like women.

[Imslap]

Why should Caesar just get to stomp around like a giant while the rest of us try not to get smushed under his big feet? Brutus is just as cute as Caesar, right? Brutus is just as smart as Caesar, people totally like Brutus just as much as they like Caesar, and when did it become okay for one person to be the boss of everybody because that's not what Rome is about! We should totally just STAB CAESAR!

Holy Mean Girls. Best quote I have ever seen.

[Anichek]

http://i.imgur.com/dfsfjGb.png

I guess it's the easiest way to keep his STILL GUILDED 46 monk in the know of what the guild is doing.

Yet, we've been told multiple times that he and all his alts were removed from the guild.

Why would someone removed from the guild still be granted guild board access?
Who is this mysterious level 46 monk?

.......conspiracies!

[Frieza_Prexus]

I guess it's the easiest way to keep his STILL GUILDED 46 monk in the know of what the guild is doing.

What is the name of this monk?

[Anichek]

What is the name of this monk?

I don't know if it's a rumor or if it's true...I'm working on that part now.

But this is RnF - 99% of the shit posted here is fake or exaggerated, right?

I'm still trying to learn how to RnF

[Anichek]

What is the name of this monk?


BUT - why would you remove a person from your guild, yet still let them have board access?

Don't you cut the ties clean and straight when you do cut ties?

[Frieza_Prexus]

BUT - why would you remove a person from your guild, yet still let them have board access?

Don't you cut the ties clean and straight when you do cut ties?

The registered user display simply shows people on the boards, not necessarily those in the member's forums. I am fairly certain his member's access has been revoked. If it has not been, then many of us are just as eager as you are to find out why and ameliorate that.

[Anichek]

What is the name of this monk?

A little bird told me: Lesbehonest

[hatelore]

Waiting for the bullshit that xasten will spew on this finding. Shit be gettin deep!

[Swifty]

A little bird told me: Lesbehonest

Why are you reading your own book in your sig? it do

[Fael]

Because it is his roommate that has the huge penis.

[quido]

gotta be the stupidest sig I've ever seen - would be funny if you're 12

[Ravager]

gotta be the stupidest sig I've ever seen - would be funny if you're 12

Most reasonable people would think the same of yours.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Waiting for the bullshit that xasten will spew on this finding. Shit be gettin deep!

Already removed. Thanks for playing.

[toosweet]

A little bird told me: Lesbehonest

Thats a slydexx alt.
They should really kick that fucking jerk from tmo.
I was camping AC for like 11 hours straight when he showed up and somehow got me to join his group while we were chatting, he ported me to west karana then he gated back to AC and like 20 minutes later AC popped.
He really is a fucking jerk

[thieros]

gotta be the stupidest sig I've ever seen - would be funny if you're 12

Harvest these nuts, Nizzarr
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/chloe.gif

[Swifty]

<Bregan D'Aerth>

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/chloe.gif

[Anichek]

gotta be the stupidest sig I've ever seen - would be funny if you're 12

Sorry to disappoint. I'll get Vowels to start making a new one to appease you.

[Anichek]

Thats a slydexx alt.
They should really kick that fucking jerk from tmo.
I was camping AC for like 11 hours straight when he showed up and somehow got me to join his group while we were chatting, he ported me to west karana then he gated back to AC and like 20 minutes later AC popped.
He really is a fucking jerk

Well little birds are known to be wrong - is why I never blatantly stated it as fact.

I'm still bad at RnF

[Gaffin 7.0]

lol most bda sigs are pretty awful

[Heebo]

lol most bda are pretty awful

[Swifty]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jfep.gif

[Ahldagor]

50 pages?

[Gaffin 7.0]

50 pages?

didnt read a single page

[Ahldagor]

didnt read a single page

might at work. was more seeing if it'd kick it up to fifty with that post.

[bigsykedaddy]

So basically if TMO trains it's just the one guy at fault as though he's untagged, but if 5 people from guild 1 go to help guild 2 it's hands down definitely a ban worthy guild wide offense? TMO must know just how sirken likes that dick worked.

You guys helped kill a raid target... there was no raid target in fear that day, and none in window either.

[Kekephee]

didnt read a single page

You read the page about BDA sigs not being as cool as Guido's where he lists all of his retired characters and says HARVEST THESE NUTS to a guy lol so attitudes

[Eccezan]

Ahahahahahahaa...just watched the train video while out to lunch and I spat up this Mexican rice drink that I was drinking. Well done Umbrella!

[Uuruk]

Ahahahahahahaa...just watched the train video while out to lunch and I spat up this Mexican rice drink that I was drinking. Well done Umbrella!

http://captionsearch.com/pix/hwhdor8ler.jpg

[hatelore]

Its called horchata, gd arent you mexican?

[Eccezan]

Its called horchata, gd arent you mexican?

You're right it is Horchata. Love the horchata. Anyway, bravo vid. I'll recede back to the shadows now.

[Fountree]

Hi Ecc! :)

[hatelore]

Horchata is good stuff. I like it too. Yo, you still got that jacket ?

[Eccezan]

Horchata is good stuff. I like it too. Yo, you still got that jacket ?

nah man, I upgraded from the Italian Peasant Leather jacket.

[hatelore]

Lol, I kid, I kid...

[radditsu]

Sigh brown people

[Alarti0001]

Hi Ecc! :)

Hi geofizzle

[Kekephee]

BUT - why would you remove a person from your guild, yet still let them have board access?

Don't you cut the ties clean and straight when you do cut ties?

Still curious about this myself, all this talk about sigs and horchatas is a great deflection but I'm not too into it

[bigsykedaddy]

I'm pretty curious about how it's possible to have been killing at the portal for an hour and still have enough mobs up for someone to immediately take aggro upon zoning in. You'd think the, like, 8 mobs that are within aggro range of the zonein would be dead after an hour you know?

no one kills those mobs in front of the fear portal.

[Emsee]

Class R savior BDA shit's on new guild clearing fear. That is the real tragedy.

[Kekephee]

no one kills those mobs in front of the fear portal.

Assuming that you actually believe this, which you don't, if you're sitting at the portal killing shit for an hour they're gonna aggro whether you want them or not. This valiant attempt at deflecting from the issue at hand (TMO member trains BDA right in front of Officer Unbrella whose response is essentially "lol ;-)" ) by trying to create a "BDA trained us too" argument just isn't computing