Bat Wings?

Oogmog · #1 06-12-2010, 02:23 PM

I am almost 100% positive the vendor in EC always sold bat wings/fish scales, etc in classic. Or was there another reason this was removed? Inquiring minds are just curious[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Phallax · #2 06-12-2010, 02:28 PM

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I am almost 100% positive the vendor in EC always sold bat wings/fish scales, etc in classic. Or was there another reason this was removed? Inquiring minds are just curious[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah batwings werent sold in classic...anywhere. You always had to hope noobs kept stacks of em while lvling and charged insane amounts of $$ for em like bone chips.

Weekapaug · #3 06-12-2010, 02:35 PM

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Nah batwings werent sold in classic...anywhere. You always had to hope noobs kept stacks of em while lvling and charged insane amounts of $$ for em like bone chips.

Yes, they were. The same chick in EC that sells the fish scales sold them and if a log could show such a thing, I could probably dig one up to show you.

YendorLootmonkey · #4 06-12-2010, 02:50 PM

Here's evidence as far back as 1/24/2000 (see last post at the bottom):

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/arch...hp/t-6181.html

Considering EQ was released in March 99, it depends on what you consider "classic" and how far along in the timeline we are.

JBoots nerf happened on Oct 13, 1999 so we know we're at least to that point:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...ches-1999.html

Plane of Sky released Jan 2000, so we're not quite there yet:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html

BuzWeaver · #5 06-12-2010, 08:05 PM

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Here's evidence as far back as 1/24/2000 (see last post at the bottom):

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/arch...hp/t-6181.html

Considering EQ was released in March 99, it depends on what you consider "classic" and how far along in the timeline we are.

JBoots nerf happened on Oct 13, 1999 so we know we're at least to that point:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...ches-1999.html

Plane of Sky released Jan 2000, so we're not quite there yet:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html

From EQTraders: Merchant Katha Firespinner to my knowledge was the only merchant I knew of that sold Batwings and Fish Scales (back in the day).

What's key about this merchant, at least to Druids was Katha sold Bat Wings so people could raise their faction by doing this quest Bat Wings.

Some druids needed to raise their faction (Keepers of The Art) for our Epic:
- Talk to Farios Elianos in Felwithe south. He can be found in the Library that is behind a door in the shop. If he dont respond to you then your faction with Keepers of the Art is too low. You can build up faction fast with the batwing-quest in Felwithe south. If Farios talks to you, give him the pot and you receive a grocery list. He will give you the receipt for the bowl if you do a job for him. Source

I can only base this on my personal experience. Epics as everyone knows came out with Kunark. Its not mentioned in the Epic thread, as most Druids understood that Katha sold unlimited Bat Wings because we needed them for Lev and we needed Fish Scales for EB, particularly when we were in Kedge doing part of our Epic.

I suppose its fair to say that this was one of those 'understood' aspects of the game that by its nature no one would have anticipated having to prove 11 years later, LOL. This is as substantive of 'proof' that I can provide outside of just my personal credibility as an Old School Druid.

Oogmog · #6 06-12-2010, 02:32 PM

Well I'll go back to my rant about wolf form faction being fixed! I at least stocked up on wings a few days ago for the spectre grind to 50 so I'm not too hurt over it[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weekapaug · #7 06-12-2010, 02:33 PM

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I am almost 100% positive the vendor in EC always sold bat wings/fish scales, etc in classic. Or was there another reason this was removed? Inquiring minds are just curious[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just read the patch message and thought the same thing. I'm not almost 100%.....I AM 100% sure you could always buy batwings from the EC spell gems merchant.

The second thought I had was, WTF can't they fix what they have already nerfed that was never in classic live before nerfing new things that were never in classic live? Specificly, detrimental spell worn off messages. Getting really sick of having to either eyeball a mob running at me or wait for it to bash my head into a wall when breaking root when I never had to in '99.

Who gives a shit about bat wings anyway? Priorities?

**nilbog** · #8 06-12-2010, 02:46 PM

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The second thought I had was, WTF can't they fix what they have already nerfed that was never in classic live before nerfing new things that were never in classic live? Specificly, detrimental spell worn off messages. Getting really sick of having to either eyeball a mob running at me or wait for it to bash my head into a wall when breaking root when I never had to in '99.

Who gives a shit about bat wings anyway? Priorities?

Wow. Why don't you not tell other people how to do their free jobs.

I removed the fucking bat wings, and it has nothing to do with dot messages.

Just like anything else, if you find evidence it should be otherwise, post it.

Weekapaug · #9 06-12-2010, 03:18 PM

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Wow. Why don't you not tell other people how to do their free jobs.

I removed the fucking bat wings, and it has nothing to do with dot messages.

Just like anything else, if you find evidence it should be otherwise, post it.

Fair enough, but some of this stuff just makes me /boggle, is all.

What evidence can I dig up to support this? All I have is my own recollection.

I had a guildie who was obsessed with keeping a bag full of batwings on him at all times for kiting. The servers were coming down constantly back then, resetting the merchants, and the vendor in EC was his source for them in light of that. I know this because one day after a patch he wanted me to do something with him when I was busy killing bats in a newbie zone. So he showed me that vendor in EC and I got to hear about how convenient it was to the portals blah blah. This dude really LOVED being a druid and we'd always hear all about it. This was on my wiz that I had created several weeks to a month earlier in October '99.

Beyond that I'm not really sure what evidence I can offer. It's been 11 years....I never planned ahead for the eventuality that I would be on an EMU a decade later and would need to actually support a claim that batwings could be vendor bought in EC. And even if I had, I'm not sure what would support that, even a log. All I can tell you is, you just could.

And, yeah, we got root and snare worn off messages then too. Don't know about dots....I didn't play a dot caster then. Could probably dig up a log for that, but I don't think I started logging 'till sometime in Kunark....not entirely sure. Would have to find the backups I burned to CD, but here again, I can specificly remember looking at the book to med and waiting for root worn off messages.

YendorLootmonkey · #10 06-12-2010, 03:36 PM

I've already posted evidence in this thread that bat wings were on that vendor as of 1/24/2000. I should think it now becomes the burden of whoever thinks they don't belong on that vendor to show archive evidence that they weren't on the vendors prior to that date.

Assuming the direction that was taken with the patch comes from this thread:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9377

we just had a situation of:

"I don't recall them being there, dunno for sure."
*delete bat wings from vendor*
"Yes they were there."
"Well, prove it."
"But why didn't the guy who thought they weren't on the vendors have to prove it?"

I could be incorrect in my assumption as to how the decision to remove bat wings was made, of course. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I would also go a step further and ask that before the devs listen to anyone that vehemently argues that they truly believe with all their heart and soul that bat wings weren't sold on vendors in classic go check the inventories and banks on those players to see how much speculating on the bat wing market before this patch took place in case the devs are being manipulated here. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]