Game Mechanics: Bug with Feign Death (necro)

[batkiller]

Hi all, I'm new so not sure if this is already known but I did try searching and reading several posts.

Anyway, I am pretty sure that Necro FD is not working quite as it should. I find that if the mob is actually hitting me while I cast the FD, there is quite a high chance that the FD will not work (even though it didn't actually fail). In other words, there is no "fallen to the ground" message, and yet the mob keeps hitting hit me. Sometimes my character will also go in to a standing moonwalk type animation even though he is feigned.

Also, I should say that these are melee only mobs, so there is no spell landing after you feign. Although I suspect that the issue could maybe be that their hits or punches are landing just a second after the feign lands, and that might be why it breaks the feign. Although this never happened on live.

[Treats]

Do you have attack on while trying to Feign?

[batkiller]

I think so yes, usually I engage autoattack because I heard it increases your chance to avoid attacks. Would turning that off fix it?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by batkiller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think so yes, usually I engage autoattack because I heard it increases your chance to avoid attacks. Would turning that off fix it?

You need to turn attack off before feigning death

[Harrison]

"Lol" is all I have to say to that whole post.

Auto attack would, if anything, increase your chances of being hit due to ripostes.(if the mob has it)

[Treats]

Originally Posted by batkiller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think so yes, usually I engage autoattack because I heard it increases your chance to avoid attacks. Would turning that off fix it?

You should hurt whoever told you that ;/

The only things that factor into avoidance is Defense Skill, Current Agility, and Dodge/Parry/Riposte/Block Skill.

Always have attack off when you try and Feign, that should fix your problem.

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by batkiller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find that if the mob is actually hitting me while I cast the FD, there is quite a high chance that the FD will not work (even though it didn't actually fail). In other words, there is no "fallen to the ground" message, and yet the mob keeps hitting hit me.

Again, I can only speak for April 2001 (shortly after Velious) and following, as I did not play before, but be not surprised if turning *off* autoattack will not solve this issue completely. I do know for a fact that FD as a necro (and also as a monk iirc) could fail even with a successful cast, if a mob was melee-hitting you at the moment it lands.

It's kind of when you drop down, the mob is already swinging, and when the hit lands, it sees you cringe from the pain, so it knows you're not really dead yet and keeps hitting you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's definitely "classic" (from Velious onwards) that FD can fail like that. Happened quite frequently when you had multiple mobs hitting you.

Best regards

Slozem

[batkiller]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to turn attack off before feigning death

Thank you I'll try that in the future.

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Lol" is all I have to say to that whole post.

Auto attack would, if anything, increase your chances of being hit due to ripostes.(if the mob has it)

I'm only 24, I don't melee in the high levels. And I don't think laughing at me is very fair, it seems pretty logical that engaging auto attack could make your character more prepared for combat. And as far as I'm concerned this is still a bug. I play no differently to how I did in EQ, and this problem never happened there.

[Autotune]

normal corpses don't attack people... that's why you can't FD with auto attack on.

As far as getting melee'd while FD'd and having it break my FD, it's never happened to me once on P99. I'm pretty sure that is the result of people FDing with auto attack on and not knowing they had it on.

Only thing I have ever had to worry about while FDing is spell casting mobs.

[batkiller]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

normal corpses don't attack people... that's why you can't FD with auto attack on.

Well you aren't attacking after you fd, your attacks get switched off as soon as you FD. But it doesn't matter now that I know how it works on this server.