Game Mechanics: Feign death and spells

[Fazlazen]

When FDed, if a harmful NPC spell is casted on you, FD should break, whether you resist the spell or not. This makes it that if you pull a pack of mob trying to split it and one of the mob starts casting a spell, you need to wait for this mob to finish his casting before FDing.

Currently, FD doesnt break if you resist the spell. It isnt working as it should.

I will try to find some info on monklybusiness or evilgamer when I have more time.

[Nebi]

I dont remember monks fd braking on resisted casts.

[Treats]

Fazslazen is right. It shouldn't matter if an NPC hits you with a spell or you resist it, it should always break Feign Death. This was changed to no aggro on a resist later on in live, Post Planes of Power I think. Just a quick search on Monkly Business:

Also, being hit by a detremental spell (nuke, debuff, DoT...) while in FD will cause your FD to be broken and every mob realizes that you are faking it. This can be caused by 1) hitting FD after caster started spell, or 2) AoE spells targeted in your area that affect you. Benificial spells NO LONGER break FD (although they used to) but detremental ones still do.

http://test.monkly-business.net/foru...ad.php?p=49476

[Szeth]

The above quote says being HIT by a detrimental spell will cause it to fail.

It makes no mention of resists, at least not in the same post you quoted from.

[Mardur]

Unless it was changed super-classic, resists don't break FD. This is why smart monks focused on resist gear primarily.

[Fazlazen]

http://test.monkly-business.net/foru...6amp%3B+spells

<a name="sns4"></a>Q: What breaks a successful Feign?



A: Two things will break a sucessful feign: (1) getting hit by any spell except a dispell, beneficial or harmful, including AEs, and (2) moving. There are lots of things that could make you move while FD -- steep slopes, accidentally right-clicking on a corpse (and thereby looting it) when you're trying to con a mob, or finishing a bandage all count as movement.

I kind of didn't want to post this because I feel the answer is somewhat wrong. I do not remember beneficial spells breaking FD in Kunark/Velious/Luclin. I have however not played the game since Luclin was the last expansion out, so my memory could be off.

[Treats]

Several links, most importantly one from the SOE official board:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...topic_id=66741

My test situation:

Fight with a Tae Ew justicar x2 at near Cazic Thule's Entrance.

My sample test:

Pushed Death Peace Hot-Key after justicar's cast begin.
a Tae Ew justicar casted Wrath(cast time 3.5sec) many times.

Log: (my time zone is asian, not fake log)

[Tue Sep 21 20:33:10 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:10 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:11 2004] You begin casting Death Peace.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:13 2004] A Tae Ew justicar feels a bit dispelled.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:13 2004] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:14 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:22 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:23 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 9 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:25 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:26 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:29 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:34 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:36 2004] You begin casting Death Peace.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:36 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:36 2004] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:37 2004] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:37 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:39 2004] a Tae Ew justicar says 'Errrrrr. Die, soft skin!'
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:42 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:51 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 3 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:58 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:33:59 2004] You begin casting Death Peace.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:01 2004] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:01 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:02 2004] a Tae Ew justicar says 'Errrrrr. Die, soft skin!'
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:03 2004] A Tae Ew justicar hits YOU for 3 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:09 2004] You punch a Tae Ew justicar for 19 points of damage.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:10 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:14 2004] You resist the Wrath spell!
[Tue Sep 21 20:34:14 2004] a Tae Ew justicar begins to cast a spell.

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[Rais]

I fail to see how stuff in 2004, equates to stuff to pre 2004. I searched all the links you have posted, and they all have

[Fri Sep 22 20:49:39 2006] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.

[Thu Jan 19 20:16:07 2006] You are no longer feigning death, because a spell hit you.

And those messages were never in the game till after Kunark for sure.


And accroding to the first post in Treats link

Author:
KwanX [ Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:06 pm ] #1
Post subject: FD and Spell Resist
Post number: #1
Some months ago, a patch was made that made FD fail wether you resist the spell or not...Major Bummer..I must have bugged this 30+ times with no reply/response.

Low and behold DoD comes out and we have the "willful death" aa that gives you a chance to stay FD when you resist a spell.

I think is pretty lame that they take away something and then sell it back as aa's...

any thoughts?

So sometime after before 2005 a patch was put in to make spells even resisted break FD. Thank you for clearing up the issue Treats

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fail to see how stuff in 2004, equates to stuff to pre 2004. I searched all the links you have posted, and they all have




And those messages were never in the game till after Kunark for sure.


And accroding to the first post in Treats link



So sometime after before 2005 a patch was put in to make spells even resisted break FD. Thank you for clearing up the issue Treats

Did you happen to read that whole thread? That post was made ONE YEAR and SEVEN MONTHS after Gates of Discord was released. Obviously it is not correct.

STONEWALL description:

Each rank in this ability gives monks an increasing chance for their feigned deaths to not be revealed by spells cast upon them. At higher ranks, monks become immune to feign breaking on a resisted spell, and have a good chance of feigning through a spell that successfully hits them.

[disco]

yeah I don't remember FD breaking on resists..