Casters vs Melee THE TRUTH (SCREENSHOTS + INFO)

Lovely · #1 10-26-2011, 08:39 AM

So after reading several posts on these forums about people crying that root/snare/stun is overpowered and that melee suck ass blablabla. I decided to log on and find a level 50 melee and actually show you the truth.

All these people posting this shit like makeyoumad,Bockscar and several other people they do not have a level 50 melee on beta nor have they tested shit. EVERY single level 50 melee player I had a normal discussion with on beta feel that melee's are strong and not weak in any way.

So anyways. I logged on 5 minutes ago to find a level 50 melee and lucky me I found one right away. Someone who I have had several battles with before and actually never managed to kill. On a side note: EVERY single INT/WIS caster I find die like little bitches. The only people I have issues with are level 50 melee's due to their high fkin HP and that you actually only find them inside dungeons and you really don't have a chance in there. Spells have to long casting time and you'll lose 20-40% just during the cast and then it might even interrupt. + that half of them got slams and the smart ones uses it half way into your cast so they get a lot of damage in before interrupting.

This is me login on after reading ridiculous posts from people on forums.

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The text speaks for itself. Luckily he agreed to me testing some spells on him. More screenshots incoming

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I decided to try some CC on him first just to show you how it actually is when using CC. During the time of those failed CC attempts he would have hit me several times, used SK spells on me. He would also been able to interrupt them. After my attempts he told me he had 60 MR. So even at a MR that low I'm already having huge issues.

Then he allowed me to Ice comet him 3 times which is the max I can do. If you include a few CC attempts + 3 ICE COMET that leaves me OOM with only mana for gate and yonder left. After my 3 Ice comet he still had 39% hp left and he wasn't even attacking me during it just taking them. So normally he would have hit several lifetaps, other spells and melee swings and probably killed me ages ago since every Comet is 6.3 second cast which is AGES!!!

Screenshots from that.

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This is a guy that doesn't even have HIGH MR, FR or CR. He has bad PVP gear and it would still be 100% impossible for me to kill him. THE BEST GEARED 50 WIZARD ON THE SERVER. No one even has close to the gear I have and yet I'm not even close when he AIN'T EVEN FIGHTING ME BACK!?!?! He can fkin AFK and I can't kill him and if he actually fight I'm toast. Good luck me fighting him inside a dungeon..........

Just some small talk after the "FIGHT"

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Here you have it, best geared caster on the server vs AFK medium geared 50 melee.

Aksiom2k · #2 10-26-2011, 09:01 AM

nice post

Billbike · #3 10-26-2011, 09:07 AM

I think a necro wins, vs Any melee.

I think wiz wins vs monk or rog.

Enchanter with hasted pet wins vs any melee, barring a random wearing off of charm.

Great post though.

MakeYouMad · #4 10-26-2011, 09:27 AM

Extremely misleading post.

It's an OGRE SK. Guess what? Just about every class in the game has trouble killing those. Why don't you log on a warrior, monk, or rogue and try fighting him next so you can get the same result. He could probably kill 3 rogues at the same time.

SK have a +40 cold resist buff too. It's basically the worst class you could fight as a wizard and you use that as an example. You also have enough mana for at least 4 ice comets while playing a low intelligence race instead of DE.

Anyway, nobody even posted anything about 1vs1 balance. People posted about CC spells being used to zerg down targets for free kills like the Rexx video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo1hmS4H5Rk

Palemoon · #5 10-26-2011, 09:27 AM

Great post, thanks for silencing more trolls bent on just OPing their own prospective class.

Lovely · #6 10-26-2011, 09:32 AM

The whole point of this thread is just to show that melee's aren't some baby sheep walking around while all casters are wolfs. That's so far from the truth it's not even funny. Everyone will have an edge towards one and another at different locations. It all depends on the environment of the situation. I'm gonna roll a Monk and I'm not scared of any class anywhere tbh. Especially not when I'll spend most of my time inside dungeons where I basically have an edge vs any class. There is also enough utility items out there to make me comfortable even in the middle of Karana's as a Monk.

It just annoys me so much when people sit and write DUDE as Wizard on beta you rape rogues. MAN... Ill rape a ROGUE WITH ANY CLASS I PLAY. Rogues are shit in pvp and that's no news to anyone. I can be a Warrior, Paladin, Mage, Druid, Enchanter whatever. I will walk over any rogue if not two at the same time with any class I play.

Tanks

Paladin - STRONG in PVP

Shadow Knight - STRONG in PVP

Warrior - STRONG in PVP

Priests

Cleric - STRONG in PVP

Druid - STRONG in PVP

Shaman - STRONG in PVP

Melee

Monk - STRONG in PVP

Ranger - STRONG in PVP

Rogue - SHIT IN PVP

Bard - STRONG in PVP

Casters

Enchanter - STRONG in PVP

Magician - STRONG in PVP

Necromancer - STRONG in PVP

Wizard - STRONG in PVP

If you can't make the classes I wrote "STRONG IN PVP" on then you are just bad and there is no hope for you no matter what class you play.

MakeYouMad · #7 10-26-2011, 09:38 AM

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Great post, thanks for silencing more trolls bent on just OPing their own prospective class.

Lol? What did he prove besides that Ogre SK's are a good PvP class with a lot of HP which everyone already knew? Other melee classes could make all of the same complaints about Ogre SK's that he just did with his wizard.

Change that SK's race to dark elf and he probably loses 300hp and suddenly becomes killable in 3 nukes.

Palemoon · #8 10-26-2011, 09:38 AM

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Lol? What did he prove besides that Ogre SK's are a good PvP class with a lot of HP which everyone already knew? Other melee classes could make all of the same complaints about Ogre SK's that he just did with his wizard.

Change that SK's race to dark elf and he probably loses 300hp and suddenly becomes killable in 3 nukes.

He provided a lot more in game data and evidence than you ever have.

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Lovely · #9 10-26-2011, 09:42 AM

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Extremely misleading post.

It's an OGRE SK. Guess what? Just about every class in the game has trouble killing those. Why don't you log on a warrior, monk, or rogue and try fighting him next so you can get the same result. He could probably kill 3 rogues at the same time.

SK have a +40 cold resist buff too. It's basically the worst class you could fight as a wizard and you use that as an example. You also have enough mana for at least 4 ice comets while playing a low intelligence race instead of DE.

Anyway, nobody even posted anything about 1vs1 balance. People posted about CC spells being used to zerg down targets for free kills like the Rexx video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo1hmS4H5Rk

You can see what FR he had on the screenshots and that is LOW FR. FR is the easiest resist to get in the game. 4 COMET? Who? You gotta be kidding me, no one can do 4 COMET if they wanna be able to USE A SINGLE OTHER SPELL you dumbshit. Can't you see how many Crowd control spells I need to use to even land anything on him? You wouldn't even be able to use 4 COMET if you have 2k mana and no one will have 2k mana. You make it sound like I can stand and spam 4x 6.3 SECOND SPELLS on anyone in this game lol. To land 4 comet you need like 1k mana of CC. You're an idiot and it seems you know nothing about PVP beside posting bullshit. Either you're just an BEYOND awful player who fail at every class you play or you have no freaking clue about anything.

I've had fights vs 50 monks and 50 warriors on the beta and it's EXACTLY THE SAME THING. The monk will lose some HP then he use mend and I'm oom and this is in an outdoor situation. The Warrior LOL? I'm not even close to doing 100% of his HP alone. Just getting 3 Ice comet on a target outdoor is almost impossible. It won't even happen at all if they got Jboots. You can outrun the cast so fucking easily and it takes forever to keep anyone snared and rooted that many times for you to even land 3 Ice comet. Running away from a solo person is so fucking easy as a melee in EQ. The only people I actually kill when I jump them is other INT/WIS classes cause they die in 1x comet and a small nuke and if they don't do that then they can also flee easily.

You can talk about group pvp as well. If you outnumber someone then you will kill them no matter what class they are. It doesn't matter if they are a Necro stuck in Karana or a Rogue, both will die like a little bitch.

Lovely · #10 10-26-2011, 09:44 AM

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Lol? What did he prove besides that Ogre SK's are a good PvP class with a lot of HP which everyone already knew? Other melee classes could make all of the same complaints about Ogre SK's that he just did with his wizard.

Change that SK's race to dark elf and he probably loses 300hp and suddenly becomes killable in 3 nukes.

I barely did 1300 damage and getting that much damage alone on anyone is almost impossible unless they are AFK in this first place. Not a single Wizard in this universe will be able to land 3 comet on me if I play a rogue, monk, warrior or any other melee class it just ain't happening in this world. CC isn't strong enough for that to work. You can pumice and run out of range of any big nuke all day long.