I don't remember monks being able to tank 20+ years ago.

[WokeCat]

I was one of the first high level monks on my server, and I remember having people message me shocked at how hard my monk would punch during Plane of Hate raids because no one really mained monks back then, and I was the first high level one they had seen and there was a lot of speculation for how much damage the class could do at higher levels.

But I never felt like my monk could tank in groups, and I don't think it's because my gear was bad or anything. This was the era of "AC is king" so I wore the Gator Scale leggings, Azure sleeves, Froglok crown etc. over planar gear and stuff. Like I for sure had an easier time solo'ing than my Rogue did, but when I was in a group, I was never able to effectively tank as my Monk.

I ultimately ended up quitting my Monk for my Rogue because it felt like in groups they were both relegated to just being melee DPS, and that my Rogue did better DPS, and that he could actually carry loot.

I also remember when they finally nerfed Monk tankiness, a lot of my Monk friends were happy because they simultaneously buffed their damage, which was essentially their main role anyways.

Because of all this, I really feel like Monks on P99 are tankier than they were 20+ years ago. When I first played on P99, I leveled an untwinked Gnome Cleric on Green, fairly early into the server's life, and there was a serious lack of tanks, so I ended up having a Monk named Bebquix who I met in Crushbone, almost exclusively tank for my groups all the way until level 50.

This monk was wearing cloth armor, and was not a twink, and yet I had no problem healing them all the way through Unrest, Mistmoore, Lower Guk, Sol B, Cazic Thule etc. and I don't think that would have gone similarly back in the day -- even if they were twinked, which they were not.

I'm not complaining, or asking for Monks to be nerfed. I look forward to twinking one in the near future and enjoying their uncanny ability to solo when equipped properly, but I don't think their tankiness is how Monks really were 20+ years ago and wonder if anyone else feels the same way?

Obviously I could be wrong about this. They nerfed Monks mitigation for a reason I'm sure, but I remember having to regularly feign death to stay alive in my groups because of how squishy I was.

[magnetaress]

monks didnt tank until very end game velious (not even thurg gear)

[magnetaress]

and yeah if u want classic go make ur own server lawl

[mycoolrausch]

Groups in classic typically camped even to yellow con mobs whereas modern optimal groups camp the absolutely lowest level mobs they can find that still con blue. This could skew tanking memories.

[WokeCat]

Originally Posted by mycoolrausch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Groups in classic typically camped even to yellow con mobs whereas modern optimal groups camp the absolutely lowest level mobs they can find that still con blue. This could skew tanking memories.

I'll be honest, my monk was so squishy that I never really had a situation where I was asked to tank or expected to be able to, lol. I remember groups falling apart if our tank left.

[Encroaching Death]

I'm not bashing OP, so don't take it the wrong way.

But why is it when people post on the 'Bugs' forum, it's always 'This [cool thing that everyone loves] shouldn't exist. I found evidence that this [really beloved thing] isn't classic.

It never goes the other way.

I swear it's like some people get off on shitting on other people's parades.

You know what I found out that's Classic? Uh, everyone is awesome and should get a free blowjob. Found it on an Allakazam post circa 1999.

[Frankenbeanz]

Originally Posted by Encroaching Death [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everyone is awesome and should get a free blowjob.

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[WokeCat]

Originally Posted by Encroaching Death [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not bashing OP, so don't take it the wrong way.

But why is it when people post on the 'Bugs' forum, it's always 'This [cool thing that everyone loves] shouldn't exist. I found evidence that this [really beloved thing] isn't classic.

It never goes the other way.

I swear it's like some people get off on shitting on other people's parades.

You know what I found out that's Classic? Uh, everyone is awesome and should get a free blowjob. Found it on an Allakazam post circa 1999.

I'm not actually calling for any nerfs though. I just mained the class, and it's something I wondered if other people noticed. When I first played P99, I thought it was identical to original EverQuest, I had no idea that there were differences between it and the original until years after I had been playing it. And I remember thinking "dang, I didn't know Monks could tank this well" and wondered why I spent so much time searching for tanks for my groups instead of just doing it myself 20+ years ago.

But then as I become more familiar with the community, and read the forums and reddit more, and even talk to people on TLP, there's a lot of people pointing out that there are a lot of differences between the original version of the game and P99, it makes me wonder if Monks on P99 are just way tankier than they used to be?

I genuinely remember retiring my Monk for my Rogue because I felt like they were both just DPS classes and that he Rogue dealt better DPS, but on P99, it's very easy to see why someone would play a Monk over a Rogue. I didn't feel like the advantage Monks had over Rogues was that significant back in the day; it just felt like they were squishy DPS who had Mend and FD, which made them safer to play in most situations.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by WokeCat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then as I become more familiar with the community, and read the forums and reddit more, and even talk to people on TLP, there's a lot of people pointing out that there are a lot of differences between the original version of the game and P99, it makes me wonder if Monks on P99 are just way tankier than they used to be?

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before.

But you know what I'm pretty damn certain didn't exist back in classic? Enchanters soloing the Plane of Hate (and really just being gods with charm in general).

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before.

But you know what I'm pretty damn certain didn't exist back in classic? Enchanters soloing the Plane of Hate (and really just being gods with charm in general).

Monks are terrible on EQ Mac what are you talking about?