Assisting the tank

[Alshadar]

Assisting the tank seems to be the expected thing to do in groups. Why is this? Back when I played during the classic era there was the tank and there was the main assist(MA). The MA picked the targets and everyone assisted them. That way the tank was free to switch targets as needed to manage aggro. Does anyone do this anymore?

[unleashedd]

thats advanced tactics. everyone knows beginner players must assist chanter

[Danth]

Carryover from Warcraft mostly where the tank commonly triples as the puller and the group leader. I feel in normal groups a person shouldn't have to /assist at all and instead use his own mark 1 eyeball to see what needs to be done, but a lot of players are far too lazy to put forth actual effort and really just want to be carried. That's also carryover from Warcraft where most groups demanded a competent tank, competent healer, then two or three random stooges who could follow simple directives.

Danth

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Carryover from Warcraft mostly where the tank commonly triples as the puller and the group leader. I feel in normal groups a person shouldn't have to /assist at all and instead use his own mark 1 eyeball to see what needs to be done, but a lot of players are far too lazy to put forth actual effort and really just want to be carried. That's also carryover from Warcraft where most groups demanded a competent tank, competent healer, then two or three random stooges who could follow simple directives.

Danth

It' not a carryover at all, not from WoW anyway, though perhaps to WoW. And you seriously think using assist is lazy? I have the complete opposite opinion. it's not only not lazy but ideal, as everyone knows as soon as possible what mobs to target without having to use keyboard communication.

But the vast majority of the time the tank will also be main assist, so you just go with the flow unless the party wants to do things differently. This actually can be quite important if your party has a bard/enchanter so they know what not to CC especially when you start adding DoTs into the mix.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you seriously think using assist is lazy? .

In a group--Yeah, I do, or at least it can be. As a tank type it annoys me when I switch targets to build aggro on mezzed/rooted things (can build aggro on mezzed targets using zero-damage spells) and some mindless melee spams away with assist, switching his own target and sometimes creating nuisance. That kind of laziness (or ineptitude) can reduce my own flexibility and it's easily avoided when a player merely uses his eyes and pays some small amount of attention. I change targets a lot while doing the tank job, especially on a pull, unless everything is always coming in single in which case the entire point becomes moot.

Danth

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a group--Yeah, I do, or at least it can be. As a tank type it annoys me when I switch targets to build aggro on mezzed/rooted things (can build aggro on mezzed targets using zero-damage spells) and some mindless melee spams away with assist, switching his own target and sometimes creating nuisance. That kind of laziness (or ineptitude) can reduce my own flexibility and it's easily avoided when a player merely uses his eyes and pays some small amount of attention. I change targets a lot while doing the tank job, especially on a pull, unless everything is always coming in single in which case the entire point becomes moot.

Danth

Hey old friend, good to see you're still around and kickin it! You're wasting your time trying to educate the "by recipe only" players. They don't dare even try to understand what you're saying lest it break their concentration on doing the same simple thing over and over and over again.

[edit]but then you knew that already[/edit]

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey old friend, good to see you're still around and kickin it! You're wasting your time trying to educate the "by recipe only" players. They don't dare even try to understand what you're saying lest it break their concentration on doing the same simple thing over and over and over again.

[edit]but then you knew that already[/edit]

Skinner’s pigeons. Gotta spam the feel good button. I remember smashing A as a kid to make street fighter load faster. We all do it.

[El-Hefe]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Carryover from Warcraft mostly where the tank commonly triples as the puller and the group leader. I feel in normal groups a person shouldn't have to /assist at all and instead use his own mark 1 eyeball to see what needs to be done, but a lot of players are far too lazy to put forth actual effort and really just want to be carried. That's also carryover from Warcraft where most groups demanded a competent tank, competent healer, then two or three random stooges who could follow simple directives.

Danth

Uhhh... Nah man, that’s how you give your enchanter an embolism. 0/10 idea.

[sycopata666]

To succes you just have to assist the guy of the team who is not assisting and breaking all the mezzs... Kidding

Not so much issues, just some random guy doting all mobs and some no controled pet.

Some people no use this:

Command: /pet back off
UI Button: Back

Effect: empties the pet's Hate List, causing it to stop attacking.

Detail: while this will clear the pets hate list, if a mob atacks the pet again after this command is given it will begin attacking the mob again. This is a particular problem in areas with mobs casting large AE's. Temple of Veeshan is the most common example.

[Guesty07]

In my limited time playing my warrior, I have found it good if somebody else is main assist, especially if there is little to no crowd control and potential for multiple mobs. That way I can switch to get mobs that run off onto the healer/sitting down agro etc without disrupting the groups assist key