Enchanter Debuff Stacking

[Pringles]

Something I've been pondering is when i cast cripple on a mob and asphyxiate do the debuff elements stack? Cripple does quite a bit more of a penalty to a mobs stats so is it the only one to actually affect them? Both spells will land on the same mob and the dot portion of asphyxiate works but im unsure if its also debuffing stats as well. In that same vein can you stack lower level debuff dots of the same line together?

[Para99]

Asphyxiate and Cripple debuffs stack, they hit different slots. For example, Cripple debuffs AGI in Slot 2, Asphyxiate debuffs STR in Slot 2.

Just cast them both on yourself if you want to be sure the debuffs stack.

Asphyxiate and Gasping Embrace or lower level debuff dot's don't stack.

[Tecmos Deception]

The pure strength debuff even stacks with both of those, too. Whether it's worth casting all this stuff instead of doing something else (or nothing) is another matter though. You'd think dropping something's strength by 150+ would make a difference... but I never got around to testing it IIRC.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Insipid_Weakness

[Pringles]

Right. I'm interested in how far you can go with STR debuffs. Will another classes debuffs stack with those two? I'm not familiar with how slots work or I'd just look this up myself.

edit: Whoops noman replied as I was.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. I'm interested in how far you can go with STR debuffs. Will another classes debuffs stack with those two? I'm not familiar with how slots work or I'd just look this up myself.

edit: Whoops noman replied as I was.

If you go to the wiki and click on any given debuff, it'll list the different effects it has and the "slots" those parts of the spell go in. If two different spells have the same type of effect in the same slot, they will not stack. So cripple, asphyxiate, and insipid weakness all stack because their strength debuff components (along with all their other components) are in different slots from each other. But if you look at like, feckless might and try to add that into the mix, you'll see it has a strength component in the same slot as insipid weakness, so insipid would overwrite feckless, and feckless would "not take hold: if insipid was already up.

I don't think there's many other strength debuffs. https://wiki.project1999.com/Cessation_of_Cor line won't stick with asphyxiate, etc.

[Pringles]

So probably those three are as low As you can get s tr/agi from a cursory look. Oh well. Now to see how far we can get ac down :evilgrin:

[7thGate]

As far as I am aware, those three enchanter debuffs+rogue weakening poison IV can stack for -241 STR. What this does though is somewhat questionable; from reading the eqemu code, I *think* there is a small benefit to debuffing up to 75 points of strength on an NPC, and going past that doesn't do anything. It is kind of hard to tell though, and p99 could be using entirely different calculations since it has changed a lot of things.

[Tecmos Deception]

Ooh, poisons. Good idea.

I know I had a discussion (with Loraen maybe?) about this once before, but I'm having trouble with my searchfu.

It probably wouldn't actually be hard to tell if it has an effect... it's just that I really doubt anyone has gone to any significant lengths to test it. It really wouldn't be tough to take a warrior and let some stuff beat on him while he gets CHs, then repeat with debuffs up, and check the logs. It'd just be a boring couple hours, and how exactly the results using level 40-50 mobs or something translate to debuffs working on raid targets would be unclear still... but at least you'd know it has SOME effect or not.

[7thGate]

Here are the best AC debuffs for each slot that I am aware of; I haven't tested this, but its the most I was able to puzzle out for what should stack.

Breath of Ro: 20
Ro's Fiery Sundering: 42
Cessation of Cor: 21
Cripple: 33
X
X
Shroud of Pain: 18

And, since I -think- Bard songs stack with all non-bard songs, even if they share an effect slot:
Puretone Largo's Absonant Binding: 53
Puretone Denon's Disruptive Discord: 50

[Pringles]

Enough negative agi on live would snare the mob when fleeing. I don't think it does that here but I haven't tried.

Nice info on AC. All of those together should make a significant difference considering mob AC here.