Where's the fun in raiding?

[Jimjam]

I read a post in another thread,

Originally Posted by Pyrion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no idea where the fun in raiding comes for people. I guess some people are just very loot fixated...

So enlighten the forums, what do YOU love about raiding in Everquest?

[Lisset]

Competition, when there is some. But sometimes it's competing with the mob itself. We had an encounter a short while ago where the dragon gated twice. We didn't camp and panic. We killed it. It's moments like that.

[fishingme]

All I can add to this thread is that raids are fcuking boring. It's all zerging, raiding would be fun if it was skill oriented raids. Doing more with less. But raids are for the most part pretty shitty.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I can add to this thread is that raids are fcuking boring. It's all zerging, raiding would be fun if it was skill oriented raids. Doing more with less. But raids are for the most part pretty shitty.

That depends entirely on the guild. Right now on this server though, yes, the top guild is a Zerg.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That depends entirely on the guild. Right now on this server though, yes, the top guild is a Zerg.

Find me a single guild on this server that's actively raiding and doing shit with 10-15 players with no more than 2 people of the same class in the raid.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Find me a single guild on this server that's actively raiding and doing shit with 10-15 players with no more than 2 people of the same class in the raid.

You apparently never played live during the relevant content if you think that is a possibility in most cases. Velious content was made for 30-45 people for the most part. While that does require the proper classes for those encounters and there are a couple you can defeat with less. Thinking 10-15 people will be able to down anything of note just shows you are playing the wrong game.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You apparently never played live during the relevant content if you think that is a possibility in most cases. Velious content was made for 30-45 people for the most part. While that does require the proper classes for those encounters and there are a couple you can defeat with less. Thinking 10-15 people will be able to down anything of note just shows you are playing the wrong game.

Why do you even make the comparison between live and P99, do you not understand that there are major differences between both? We've been in constant beta since p1999 has been released. Of course most dragons and upper tiered HP mobs are going to require more than 10-15 people. Also, "Anything of note" is relative to how long content has been out for. Look at the solo artist challenge, would you of even thought most of that stuff was possible back when kunark just came out on live, or here? Or chardok royals being able to be killed with 1-2 groups? Were you even playing on p1999 when kunark came out on p99?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Find me a single guild on this server that's actively raiding and doing shit with 10-15 players with no more than 2 people of the same class in the raid.

Generally, the guilds doing minor raids with smaller numbers are going to have a fairly random makeup to their crew at any given event. There may well be 3 or more of a given class present. There may well be as many as 30 people present from 2 or 3 different guilds if target is at/near their limits. There is no gatekeeper demanding that "only 2 per class may attend", or "all must be level such and so", or "all must have x+y+z items", or "we already have 2 warlords in the guild, app denied".

The obsessive "we're better than you types" your post suggests you worship are actually the backbone of the huge guilds. Small raids are being done mostly by casual outfits like <Ill Tempered Sea Bass>, <Blackheart Pirates>, <Kittens Who Say Meow>, and others perhaps as well. And honestly, small casual outfits hitting WW dragons, or Chardok Royals, or Fear/Hate, or whatever, are having a ton of fun without any of the time-consuming demands & regimentation found amongst the elf-sim emulator elitists.

You don't have go for Sontalak with 80 to have fun raiding. You don't have to participate in competitive CotH ducking for hours on end while poopsocking Sev to have a good time. You can do those things if you want to, but it isn't mandatory.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Generally, the guilds doing minor raids with smaller numbers are going to have a fairly random makeup to their crew at any given event. There may well be 3 or more of a given class present. There may well be as many as 30 people present from 2 or 3 different guilds if target is at/near their limits. There is no gatekeeper demanding that "only 2 per class may attend", or "all must be level such and so", or "all must have x+y+z items", or "we already have 2 warlords in the guild, app denied".

The obsessive "we're better than you types" your post suggests you worship are actually the backbone of the huge guilds. Small raids are being done mostly by casual outfits like <Ill Tempered Sea Bass>, <Blackheart Pirates>, <Kittens Who Say Meow>, and others perhaps as well. And honestly, small casual outfits hitting WW dragons, or Chardok Royals, or Fear/Hate, or whatever, are having a ton of fun without any of the time-consuming demands & regimentation found amongst the elf-sim emulator elitists.

You don't have go for Sontalak with 80 to have fun raiding. You don't have to participate in competitive CotH ducking for hours on end while poopsocking Sev to have a good time. You can do those things if you want to, but it isn't mandatory.

It was an arbitrary number set for the classes to fit within the amount of 10-15 people for the classes that are needed in a raid before it becomes overkill.

[Celatus]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That depends entirely on the guild. Right now on this server though, yes, the top guild is a Zerg.

If you think its zerging you have obviously not raided with the top guild. We often do stuff in off hours with minimum players. We just killed the first warder in ST with 19 people. Major zerg there. Raiding can be boring at times the trash in tov is absurdly hard even with a good number of people. Requires a good heal rotation although trash can drop some good loot as well. Raiding is fun because of the cooperation of many different people to accomplish a goal often a very difficult one with half the numbers the content was designed for.

In FoH back in the day we had 2-3x as many people raiding as nearly any guild on this server we did not have 4 years of kunark gear but we had 90% of the high end gear on our toons. Even then on much of velious content it was not a zerg it required a lot of skill and discipline.