Game Mechanics: Ancient Shissar Gauntlet didn't exist til almost Velious

koros · #1 04-01-2015, 12:41 PM

I know this is now outside the scope of where the server is now but thought it was worth mentioning for possible future iterations.

Found this while researching:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001005...tersrealm.com/

Wednesday October 4, 2000

FEAST YOUR EYES ON THIS
Ciid Cypher of Dark Brethren on Terris Thule recently obtained what will now be the most sought after pure caster hand gloves in the game.

Ancient Shissar Gauntlet Stats
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet Stat Screenshot
The real question is now - is Ancient Shissar equipment a new Kunark caster loot, or is it's expendable charge needed to finish an Epic Quest?

jpetrick · #2 04-01-2015, 12:48 PM

I'm not sure this is evidence that they didn't exist. I think they just are super rare.

Ele · #3 04-01-2015, 01:02 PM

Similar issue as with Tunare and Fist of Nature or Faydedar's scales.

Ancient Shissar Gauntlets fall in line with a bunch of Kunark items, but then a couple Luclin items immediately follow up after the Kunark group.

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koros · #4 04-01-2015, 01:13 PM

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Similar issue as with Tunare and Fist of Nature or Faydedar's scales.

Ancient Shissar Gauntlets fall in line with a bunch of Kunark items, but then a couple Luclin items immediately follow up after the Kunark group.

These are so hard to draw any conclusions on. Someone could have added them with that DB id after the fact, or more likely they were added into the DB but never put in game for whatever reason.

Shissar gauntlets aren't rare enough to have just not been seen for that long, unless the drop rate was changed. Maybe someone fat-fingered a decimal place and it was fixed later.

I can't find a single reference to them from before that date, but here's a post that does claim they existed previously.

Old 10-18-2000, 04:25 AM #19
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Uhmm...I think you are wrong, Nazrin. The shissar gloves and their effect (including that they morph into the cleric hammer) was known long before anyone found the cleric gloves on Overking. Personally, I believe that the Shissar Gauntlets are bugged, and that it SHOULD turn into a caster weapon but doesn't.

koros · #5 04-01-2015, 01:16 PM

Also what are you using to query lucy for multiple lines?

Ele · #6 04-01-2015, 01:27 PM

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Also what are you using to query lucy for multiple lines?

You can download a CSV text file of the entire Lucy item database, then load it into Excel or CSV parser of choice.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/downloads.html

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemlist.txt.gz

wycca · #7 04-01-2015, 03:46 PM

Interesting, the item id's look like it was itemized during Kunark, but it sounds like there may have been a drop issue or rarity problem. Plus that is interesting about the click.

The itemization, quests, mobs in KC are a bit odd, there were quite a few issues and oddities, ie look at the Shackle line for one with the buggy KC component.

Erati · #8 04-01-2015, 03:53 PM

or noobs confusing these gloves with the "fabled" Chardok ones and due to the Classicness of the internet there was a game of telephone with players who "knew of" some very similar caster gloves from VS

they even had the same inventory graphic

wycca · #9 04-01-2015, 04:04 PM

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or noobs confusing these gloves with the "fabled" Chardok ones and due to the Classicness of the internet there was a game of telephone with players who "knew of" some very similar caster gloves from VS

they even had the same inventory graphic

Possible, there is that post koros linked that suggests otherwise though (as does the Alla commentary). The Alla commentary just leads me to believe they may have simply been bugged and had the Chardok transmute hammer clicky on it. Some of the stuff is pretty specific that it doesn't seem like it's classic fud.

Koros has a post, Alla's has discussion of it, then I found these (oh hai more proof!) -

Oh hai - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413 - June 00 discussion of them.

http://game.china.com/zh_cn/hotspot/...1453827_7.html

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582 - Jan 01 discussion of them having click, and Aug 01 discussion of them not having it.

Omg, Ancient Shissar Gauntlets should have Vibrating Hammer clicky!

Daldaen · #10 04-01-2015, 04:12 PM

I love how that post is a 39 Cleric commenting on Venril Sathir's drops.