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Old 04-01-2015, 12:41 PM
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Default Ancient Shissar Gauntlet didn't exist til almost Velious

I know this is now outside the scope of where the server is now but thought it was worth mentioning for possible future iterations.

Found this while researching:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001005...tersrealm.com/

Wednesday October 4, 2000

FEAST YOUR EYES ON THIS
Ciid Cypher of Dark Brethren on Terris Thule recently obtained what will now be the most sought after pure caster hand gloves in the game.


Ancient Shissar Gauntlet Stats
Ancient Shissar Gauntlet Stat Screenshot
The real question is now - is Ancient Shissar equipment a new Kunark caster loot, or is it's expendable charge needed to finish an Epic Quest?
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:48 PM
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I'm not sure this is evidence that they didn't exist. I think they just are super rare.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:02 PM
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Similar issue as with Tunare and Fist of Nature or Faydedar's scales.

Ancient Shissar Gauntlets fall in line with a bunch of Kunark items, but then a couple Luclin items immediately follow up after the Kunark group.

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4515,"Cobalt Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4515
4516,"Cobalt Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4516
4517,"Cobalt Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4517
4518,"Cobalt Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4518
4519,"Cobalt Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4519
4520,"Cobalt Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4520
4521,"Cobalt Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4521
4522,"Blood Ember Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4522
4523,"Blood Ember Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4523
4524,"Blood Ember Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4524
4525,"Blood Ember Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4525
4526,"Blood Ember Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4526
4527,"Blood Ember Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4527
4528,"Blood Ember Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4528
4529,"Jaundiced Bone Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4529
4530,"Jaundiced Bone Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4530
4531,"Jaundiced Bone Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4531
4532,"Jaundiced Bone Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4532
4533,"Jaundiced Bone Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4533
4534,"Jaundiced Bone Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4534
4535,"Jaundiced Bone Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4535
4536,"Tolan's Darkwood Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4536
4537,"Tolan's Darkwood Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4537
4538,"Tolan's Darkwood Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4538
4539,"Tolan's Darkwood Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4539
4540,"Tolan's Darkwood Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4540
4541,"Tolan's Darkwood Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4541
4542,"Tolan's Darkwood Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4542
4543,"Deepwater Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4543
4544,"Deepwater Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4544
4545,"Deepwater Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4545
4546,"Deepwater Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4546
4547,"Deepwater Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4547
4548,"Deepwater Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4548
4549,"Deepwater Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4549
4550,"Mrylokar's Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4550
4551,"Mrylokar's Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4551
4552,"Mrylokar's Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4552
4553,"Mrylokar's Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4553
4554,"Mrylokar's Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4554
4555,"Mrylokar's Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4555
4556,"Mrylokar's Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4556
4557,"Singing Steel Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4557
4558,"Singing Steel Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4558
4559,"Singing Steel Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4559
4560,"Singing Steel Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4560
4561,"Singing Steel Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4561
4562,"Singing Steel Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4562
4563,"Singing Steel Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4563
4564,"Donal's Helm of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4564
4565,"Donal's Chestplate of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4565
4566,"Donal's Vambraces of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4566
4567,"Donal's Bracer of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4567
4568,"Donal's Gauntlets of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4568
4569,"Donal's Leggings of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4569
4570,"Donal's Boots of Mourning",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4570
4571,"Elder Spiritist's Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4571
4572,"Elder Spiritist's Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4572
4573,"Elder Spiritist's Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4573
4574,"Elder Spiritist's Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4574
4575,"Elder Spiritist's Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4575
4576,"Elder Spiritist's Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4576
4577,"Elder Spiritist's Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4577
4578,"Helm of Rile",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4578
4579,"Gangrenous Beetle Mask",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4579
4580,"Grim Pauldrons",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4580
4581,"Sarnak Headguard",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4581
4582,"Ancient Shissar Gauntlet",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4582
4583,"Ceremonial Iksar Chestplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4583
4584,"Talisman of Moisture",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4584
4585,"Vial of Aqua Waters",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4585
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Similar issue as with Tunare and Fist of Nature or Faydedar's scales.

Ancient Shissar Gauntlets fall in line with a bunch of Kunark items, but then a couple Luclin items immediately follow up after the Kunark group.
These are so hard to draw any conclusions on. Someone could have added them with that DB id after the fact, or more likely they were added into the DB but never put in game for whatever reason.

Shissar gauntlets aren't rare enough to have just not been seen for that long, unless the drop rate was changed. Maybe someone fat-fingered a decimal place and it was fixed later.

I can't find a single reference to them from before that date, but here's a post that does claim they existed previously.


Old 10-18-2000, 04:25 AM #19
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Uhmm...I think you are wrong, Nazrin. The shissar gloves and their effect (including that they morph into the cleric hammer) was known long before anyone found the cleric gloves on Overking. Personally, I believe that the Shissar Gauntlets are bugged, and that it SHOULD turn into a caster weapon but doesn't.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:16 PM
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Also what are you using to query lucy for multiple lines?
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:27 PM
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Also what are you using to query lucy for multiple lines?
You can download a CSV text file of the entire Lucy item database, then load it into Excel or CSV parser of choice.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/downloads.html

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemlist.txt.gz
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Old 04-01-2015, 03:46 PM
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Interesting, the item id's look like it was itemized during Kunark, but it sounds like there may have been a drop issue or rarity problem. Plus that is interesting about the click.

The itemization, quests, mobs in KC are a bit odd, there were quite a few issues and oddities, ie look at the Shackle line for one with the buggy KC component.
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Old 04-01-2015, 03:53 PM
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or noobs confusing these gloves with the "fabled" Chardok ones and due to the Classicness of the internet there was a game of telephone with players who "knew of" some very similar caster gloves from VS

they even had the same inventory graphic
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Old 04-01-2015, 04:04 PM
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or noobs confusing these gloves with the "fabled" Chardok ones and due to the Classicness of the internet there was a game of telephone with players who "knew of" some very similar caster gloves from VS

they even had the same inventory graphic
Possible, there is that post koros linked that suggests otherwise though (as does the Alla commentary). The Alla commentary just leads me to believe they may have simply been bugged and had the Chardok transmute hammer clicky on it. Some of the stuff is pretty specific that it doesn't seem like it's classic fud.

Koros has a post, Alla's has discussion of it, then I found these (oh hai more proof!) -

Oh hai - http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8413 - June 00 discussion of them.

http://game.china.com/zh_cn/hotspot/...1453827_7.html

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582 - Jan 01 discussion of them having click, and Aug 01 discussion of them not having it.


Omg, Ancient Shissar Gauntlets should have Vibrating Hammer clicky!
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Old 04-01-2015, 04:12 PM
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I love how that post is a 39 Cleric commenting on Venril Sathir's drops.
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