Ancient Cyclops in Sro

[Sancta]

Hello, my character name is Tenderle, a level 44 bard. I have been camping the AC in Sro for 3 days (or 20 hours total). There is a timed PH and there is an actual precise method of spawning this mob. Since he only spawns at night, you can get attempts per in-game night if you kill the PH at certain times.

Today, I was able to spawn the AC and engage it while it was at 100% hp. Thinking I had first engage, I proceeded to kill it. I knew the exact time it was going to spawn and was even ready for it with a Terrorantula I was going to charm onto the AC.

Eunomia the GM later informed me that I was not first to engage and henceforth my Ring of the Ancients was given to the person with first engage. This person just happened to run by the zone and engage first. It was Meltan from <Necropolis>, a 31 Wizard who petitioned and got the Ring of the Ancients.

I understand that this spawn is considered a FFA, but why doesn't the person who spent 20 hours to get the AC to spawn be considered camping the AC? There is a legit way to get it to spawn and it is extremely precise. It's on a timer and he even spawns in the same small area of the desert.

It seems like it could easily be considered a camp since there is an entire non-random and precise method to spawn him in a certain area within the desert. There is a specific PH and it's not every mob in the desert, nor is it even every humanoid mob in the desert.

Thoughts?

[Thana8088]

In the past, GMs have stated (to me, first-hand) that "outdoor zones have no camps", so it's purely First To Engage (FTE).

Truly sucks, and I'm sorry for your misfortune.

[baalzy]

While I feel for you, because the AC doesn't pop in 1 exact spot anymore, it is no longer a static camp.

Same thing with any of the named on the forager cycle or Quillmane. They're pretty precise and easy to predict where they'll spawn, but they're roaming mobs and are FFA regardless of who put the effort into spawning them.

THere are often times code of honor where someone won't take one of these mobs if someone else is actively engaged in popping them, but that isn't any kind of enforced rule.

I'm surprised (well not really) the wizard didn't tell you he had first engage while you were killing it, giving you a chance to remove agro and force him to fight it (I strongly suspect a lvl 31 wiz would have difficulty against the AC solo). I also wasn't aware that the staff enforced first to engage rules in non-raid situations in such a way where they forfeited or transfered loot.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Same thing with any of the named on the forager cycle or Quillmane. They're pretty precise and easy to predict where they'll spawn, but they're roaming mobs and are FFA regardless of who put the effort into spawning them.

perfect examples

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the past, GMs have stated (to me, first-hand) that "outdoor zones have no camps", so it's purely First To Engage (FTE).

and no

[Thana8088]

Originally Posted by Wrench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and no

Care to elaborate? Because Ambrotos really, truly DID say that to our group in CoM (of all places).

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Care to elaborate? Because Ambrotos really, truly DID say that to our group in CoM (of all places).

apples and oranges

if you dont get the diff between campin ac in oot, and campin moat in com, its not worth my time to try and explain

[Thana8088]

Originally Posted by Wrench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

apples and oranges

if you dont get the diff between campin ac in oot, and campin moat in com, its not worth my time to try and explain

um...did you notice that part where he said South Ro?

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Care to elaborate? Because Ambrotos really, truly DID say that to our group in CoM (of all places).

I believe it's roaming NPC's in outdoors zones are FTE

[Mockba1980]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Care to elaborate? Because Ambrotos really, truly DID say that to our group in CoM (of all places).

I remember that like it was yesterday.. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(I strongly suspect a lvl 31 wiz would have difficulty against the AC solo).

I wonder if said wizzie had been level 5, if the loot transfer would still have occurred. Sucks that you put 20 hours into it and lost it due to an unknown fte.

Oh just read this.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh wow, this isn't even the encounter I was thinking of. Couple things:

OP paints a picture of being right there ready to engage the target and someone sneakily sniped it out from under him right after it spawned. Encounter log shows something different:

Spawned: Thu Sep 25, 2014; 20:31:37
Meltan Engages: 20:33:56 (over 2 minutes after it spawned)
Then a Druid engages at 20:34:37, Druid is in the same guild as the wizard.
Finally, at 20:35:16, OP engages the AC. (nearly 4 minutes after it spawns)

After that, 2 other people pile on, including another Wizard who does almost as much damage as the bard. No one is grouped. Even if this had been a legitimate camp as opposed to an "uncampable" mob, waiting 4 minutes to engage a spawn is pushing it.

OP clearly knew the mob was engaged, as it had been chasing after another player for almost 2 minutes at that point. Do I have the wrong encounter log? Because this is the only one I see with your name on it attacking an AC.

I also don't see any reimbursement requests to have the ring moved to Meltan, nor do I see any delete/move requests in CSR chat. OP, if Eunomia told you to hold onto that ring and not turn it in I would continue to do so, but I'm starting to think this was a troll. I feel dirty inside.

As a side note, when I was still a player I killed a white con AC at level 35 on a wizard in rags, so I can see a 31 wizard killing one of the lower level AC spawns (Wiki level range is incorrect, though I can't provide an exact number as per CSR policy).