Haste Stacking.. Does Bard Haste stack with Chanter/shammy/item Haste

[knottyb0y]

Hey

I am sitting here looking through my songs and wondering if all bard haste songs will stack with enchanter/shaman haste spells or if only some of them will (if so which ones). Also I'm pretty sure the songs stack with haste items but if anyone has a definite answer I'd really appreciate the help. I'm having trouble finding a clear answer on this issue, and really need to study up to maximize my bardic knowledge!

[Braveguard]

I figure the quickest way to get you some informed responses is to offer my own less-informed response.

Yes, they stack... up to a max limit. You have three haste "buckets"... spell, song and item.

[Trimm]

Spell, Song and item haste all stack up to a max of 74-75% haste. Multiples of the same types of haste do not stack, and the game will use the higher of the two.

[Deric]

In terms of classic(now):

-Songs and Spell hastes do NOT stack. (The higher % will take effect only)
-Multiple pieces of equipment haste do NOT stack. (The higher % will take effect only)

So: 1 song or spell + 1 haste equipment is the fastest you will get at this time.


...... ..

In Velious(Far into future of p99):

-There are 2 songs that WILL stack, but you cannot not exceed the 100% cap for lvl 60.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Braveguard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I figure the quickest way to get you some informed responses is to offer my own less-informed response.

Yes, they stack... up to a max limit. You have three haste "buckets"... spell, song and item.

Spell and song hastes do not stack. You are thinking of haste version 2 and overhaste which comes out much much later.

Current classic server example:

You have a chanter and bard in your group

Bard sings: Jonthan's Provocation

1: Increase Attack Speed by 48% (L45) to 50% (L47)
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)

Enchanter casts: Swift Like the Wind

1: Increase Attack Speed by 60%

The player (bard) with get:
1: Increase Attack Speed by 60% from the enchanter
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard

Add any lame haste item such as a Swirlspine belt (16% haste)
and you are at the haste cap for a level 50 player.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spell and song hastes do not stack. You are thinking of haste version 2 and overhaste which comes out much much later.

Current classic server example:

You have a chanter and bard in your group

Bard sings: Jonthan's Provocation

1: Increase Attack Speed by 48% (L45) to 50% (L47)
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)

Enchanter casts: Swift Like the Wind

1: Increase Attack Speed by 60%

The players with get:
1: Increase Attack Speed by 60% from the enchanter
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard

Add any lame haste item such as a Swirlspine belt (16% haste)
and you are at the haste cap for a level 50 player.

This.

[knottyb0y]

Thank you very much for the clarification. it was hard finding "classic" info on this

[astuce999]

Chicanery explained it very well, unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears.

People are determined not to hear the truth, and 10 years after the game came out they still think that bard song haste and chanter hastes stacks.

They`re not talking about overhaste, just plain old song haste.

You`ll even have monks saying that their epic is awesome because the haste click is `song` haste and that it stacks with both spell and item haste.

cheers!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

V1 V2 V3, I'm not sure which is which based on the official responses, but the basic idea is~

V1 is item haste
V2 is spell/most songs haste
V3 is stacking bard haste

These stack additively to 100% (unsure if this got changed, I know it's 100% in kunark at least D=)

V3 hastes do not exist yet--It was either kunark or velious which added the first stacking haste (mcxavius? fk, i don't play a bard! :P) which stacked but was not a 'cap breaker' which could put you over 100% The first cap breaker was warsong of the vah shir, a luclin song, which gave bards a purpose again in the raiding scene with all the dragons having -300/-400 on their aoe's making resist stacking !@#$ing impossible on things with aoe's :P with their pulling ability in kunark / vel went to shit due to it all being indoors, except in the rare exception of PoGrowth. Also, fucking fistbump for mobs being 'fade-immune' in luclin eh? :P But this is ranting, in synopsis

Item haste + highest haste on you will = your haste and the 'effects' (str, atk, ac, etc) will only take the highest of each (so no putting on a bard song with +atk and then getting a VoG with +atk as well...VoG was +atk right? or ac? it's been so long D=)

[Emoqq]

Arent there other haste effects which can further stack though?

I.e. Your wearing FBSS 21% and have Augmentation 26%, and your using Executioners Axe. It procs, you should still get its bonus, on top of your 47% haste.