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11-06-2011, 04:51 AM
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You dont need to log off anyway... you can just move elsewhere. I dont see how a guild Zerg bind "rushing" a smaller guild, giving them XP loss on top of overwhelming them with a bind "rush" will make things any fairer? At least with no XP loss the smaller guild can try to fight back, even if the odds are against them. With the xp loss system, it feels like whoever has the biggest zerg wins, and youre not supposed to fight back, just pack your shit and leave the area, which is lame to me. I wasnt part of the raid scene on blue99, but it sounds like a re-hash of the zerg poopsocking that happened over there a year ago. | |||
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11-06-2011, 07:44 AM
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What really boggles my mind about the proponents of the experience penalty is that they think that a measure which will encourage people to play the game less is somehow healthy for the server. I also don't at all agree with the sentiment that there needs to be an extra penalty for pvp death. You're already losing all your mana, gear, and buffs. This means in order to get back to your full potential you need to med, buff, and run back to your corpse, otherwise you're just fodder.
Furthermore I don't see an experience penalty being a huge deterrant for people who are going to play here. I speak from experiences such as being in plane of fear and watching guilds train each other back and forth for hours on end until one of them finally gave up and went to sleep. I DO expect that this will be an extra mechanic for griefing, as if everquest really needed one more. I also don't believe that stating in the rules that training is frowned upon will have any legitimate impact on a server where there is not 24/7 gm policing. My opinion of the experience penalty on death is that it's just extra grief. Most of the time when people die in pvp they are in a dungeon so they are typically running minimally one or two zones back to loot their corpse which equates typically to around 5-10 minutes. Casters will also be forced to med and buff which typically equates to another 10 minutes. If you add experience penalty to death which is the equivalent of the experience you would get for killing one mob you're probably adding another 10 minutes. Each pvp death with an exp penalty now equates to potentially 30 minutes of downtime IF you are only killed in pvp the one time which I think we can all admit isn't typically the case. a hypothetical with exp penalty: group A rolls into guk and wants to steal a camp from single player B. A risks nothing and slaughters B. B comes back to loot corpse and A kills him again. B has now lost 40-45 minutes of his time. B has the option of either going back to A to risk another 15-20 minutes or logging off. a hypothetical without exp penalty: group A rolls into guk and wants to steal a camp from single player B. A risks nothing and slaughters B. B comes back to loot corpse and A kills him again. B has now lost 30-35 minutes of his time. B has the option of either going back to A to risk another 5-10 minutes or logging off. It's great to assume that experience penalty on death is going to prevent bind rushing (which is typically a non factor anyway as I've personally never seen any large guild who wins a pvp fight die to the guild they just steamrolled coming back with less powerful characters) but I'm certain that the reality will be that the level of grief people experience will just be increased. | ||
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11-06-2011, 01:17 PM
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11-06-2011, 02:16 PM
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11-07-2011, 02:03 AM
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I'm still wondering what were supposed to do regarding our gear if we die in a camp spot.
Are we supposed to just stay away and be naked for an hour? What do melees do? Even if we go back to loot n scoot it will probably just end in having two corpses. | ||
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11-07-2011, 02:12 AM
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And if they are lying, remember their names, and their guild. Be extra wary of them in the future. Eventually you'll have a good idea of who's extra mean and who is nice. The guild I am joining at release will always allow lns, so long as you don't forget the s part and aren't a known griefer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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11-07-2011, 02:19 AM
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Maybe in old EQ, but with all the trolls/griefers I seem to encounter online, I'm a bit skeptical about your polite EQ community of bad guys and good guys.
My experience with the internetz these days is that people just don't give a flying monkey, and are in it for the "lulz" | ||
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11-07-2011, 02:29 AM
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I bet a lot of players will surprise you.. and just as many will make you roll your eyes in distaste. Never forget, though, that you're much more likely to be shown respect if you're known for giving it. EQ pvp is a wonderful example of a sandbox MMO.. you can be whoever you want, and people will react accordingly.
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