Best setup for rogue end game

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn’t trying to be insulting. Certainly a rogue can tank if they want. Killing blue cons isn’t difficult and the Silver Whip is a great item. I did typo “trying” instead of “trading” but I don’t expect that changes it much.

It's not directed at you.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because people are unimaginative idiots that have mental breakdowns when their comfort game gets played differently, speaking from experience tanking for a Chef/Bar wing group. Groupmates freak out after about 5 mins of the rogue not backstabbing on timer despite no issues.


Here's a friendlier version of your message:
I’ve noticed that some people can be a bit rigid when it comes to their comfort zones in games. From my experience with the Chef/Bar wing group, it’s interesting to see how quickly some teammates get anxious if the rogue isn’t backstabbing precisely on time. It’s only been a few minutes, and suddenly there’s a lot of stress! It’s a reminder that we all have our own styles, and a little patience can go a long way.

Rogues have better defense/parry/dodge than rangers yet rangers are considered (very) light tanks. I'm sure if you geared a rogue for some sturdiness you could get surprising results depending on context.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogues have better defense/parry/dodge than rangers yet rangers are considered (very) light tanks. I'm sure if you geared a rogue for some sturdiness you could get surprising results depending on context.

BiS rogues can reach 5900 hp at which point you're equivalent to a lightly geared warrior that can't use defensive. You can definitely tank quite a lot of things on a rogue but it would just be worse and you'd never do it in a scenario where you want to stack all of the odds in your favor, like, you know, a competitive raid, like every raid on p99.

[Cecily]

I've tanked HoT minis on purpose and HoT trash on plenty of emergencies before. It's not ideal. It works. You build your character as a tank in the end game, whole game really, so you can eat a round or two in the face before your central nervous system can flip the panic button and nimble disc stabilizes the raid for 12 seconds. Feels pretty good to emergency bump AoW or a flurry drake ripping through your raid. Did you know that if agro is lost on the tank and a bunch of DPS die, backstabbing something is a great way to get and maintain its attention?

It disappoints me that it's even a question whether or not rogues can tank EXP content. The answer is yes.

[Jimjam]

You'd be surprised how often you can have a group with a tank, cleric, enc and 3 rogues. The tank will say 'afk for 7 mins or so, someone cover pulls and tanking so we can keep spawn broken' and the tank gets back but everyone has sat on their butts for 7 mins and the spawns all need to be broken again.

IDK if it is a case of 'I'm playing a dps so I'm not gonna pull or tank', neglected defence stats by the dps players or they genuinely believe a rogue can't do some light tanking with an enc and cleric behind them... /shrug

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogues have better defense/parry/dodge than rangers yet rangers are considered (very) light tanks. I'm sure if you geared a rogue for some sturdiness you could get surprising results depending on context.

Nobody considers rangers tanks. Especially not rangers.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'd be surprised how often you can have a group with a tank, cleric, enc and 3 rogues. The tank will say 'afk for 7 mins or so, someone cover pulls and tanking so we can keep spawn broken' and the tank gets back but everyone has sat on their butts for 7 mins and the spawns all need to be broken again.

IDK if it is a case of 'I'm playing a dps so I'm not gonna pull or tank', neglected defence stats by the dps players or they genuinely believe a rogue can't do some light tanking with an enc and cleric behind them... /shrug

id be surprised if you can get a tank, cleric, enc, and 3 rogues in a group more than once every 4 months

[Dogz]

The green prima guide for EQ said rangers were tanks!

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Dogz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this going to be the next "Best 4 person all caster/priest group" thread?

I hope so.

It’s starting to feel that way bc we all have alt armies and nobody tanks with rogues.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

id be surprised if you can get a tank, cleric, enc, and 3 rogues in a group more than once every 4 months

It is very ensaddening that what you say is a reflection of the times.