FE Raid Scene Proposal

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let Tier 2 worry about Tier 2, Tier 1 worry about Tier 1.

You guys can play however you want and we will not worry about it, we won't stop you. Please, enjoy the game the way you want. The only thing we're asking for is the exact same thing, the ability to play our way and figure out solutions to our own problems, that's it.

I mean...that is exactly what I proposed here. It is THE SAME as the staff proposal with the details filled in about how the tiered system would progress, however mixed with the Divinity proposal in regards to quasi rotations.

Let the people who are actually trying to build something here build something, and the people who are not not.

[Kope]

This will most likely be my last response because I feel like I'm getting trolled at this point. I'm only trying to figure out a way everyone can get the most out of their game.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bottom line here is the tier 2 guilds really aren't willing to negotiate with tier 1 guilds. Tier 2 have only offered the divinity plan and have insisted the tier 1 guilds adhere to it absolutely with no modification whereas the numerous proposals by the tier 1 guilds continue to be chastised regardless of how many modifications and concessions have been made in favor of the tier 2's. This isn't a negotiation, it's holding the tier 1's hostage for a pound of flesh for past transgressions.

Our proposal gave us less than half of a month of a rotation of mobs outside of VP which you were included in. You could most likely get 70% of the mobs in any given month and you guys shot that down, without question every single time, because of competition sake. After this happened Rogean comes up with a plan that would allow you guys to have all the competition you wanted between every guild that wants it, period. ANYONE who wants to do it can, no exceptions, but anyone who wants no part of it isn't forced into it.

You came up with plans that gave FFA mobs to the non Tier 1 guilds (sans Trak, VS and sometimes CT, or sometimes Inny) for 1 week, the rest of the time you wanted to force us to compete with you for it (which most everyone isn't even trying to do). We weren't holding anything hostage, we came up with a plan where we thought we were losing out and you STILL said no, so yeah we're not going to negotiate down from a deal that automatically favors you to be forced into the same type of raidscene > 50% of the time we play the game.

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean...that is exactly what I proposed here. It is THE SAME as the staff proposal with the details filled in about how the tiered system would progress.

Let the people who are actually trying to build something here build something, and the people who are not not.

No, it's not. In the staff system you don't have to be Tier 1 unless you want to (or any set of prerequisites are fulfilled). In your plan you're forcing guilds that DO NOT WANT anything to do with that, to deal with that.

How would you feel about a rotation 100% of the time? No? We know that, that's why we didn't offer it, it wouldn't be fair. Why not play the way you want, and let us play without having to deal with your playstyle?

[Kennie]

Nice kid's table solution.

[arsenalpow]

At this point I advise any negotiating party to withdraw from posting in public chat. We can talk about these proposals in raid chat away from the trolling.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point I advise any negotiating party to withdraw from posting in public chat. We can talk about these proposals in raid chat away from the trolling.

Aww

[Ciroco]

I think you misread my post Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Ciroco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you misread my post Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't. Maestro and Draco won't be touched by the larger guilds... I am sure if you want to attempt to make Tier 2 then request a shot from the Tier 2 guilds. Those mobs can spawn 5 times combined in a week depending how spawns goes.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't. Maestro and Draco won't be touched by the larger guilds... I am sure if you want to attempt to make Tier 2 then request a shot from the Tier 2 guilds. Those mobs can spawn 5 times combined in a week depending how spawns goes.

Exactly.

Tier One is willing to put definite limits on its ability to infringe on some movement from t2 to t1, however it is all up to t2 people to limit themselves in this way to let new guilds into their tier.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by oddibemcd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's got UNDER FFA CONDITIONS in all caps in the opening post.

See, children, this is why we discuss and PROGRESS. I had in the agreement under FFA conditions, however during this DISCUSSION I MADE IT 100% CLEAR that we can easily modify this such that there can be certain mobs that are FFA for only t2 guilds - so that they can progress without competing over FFA mobs with t1 guilds.

As far as Kobe's statement, yet again my friend you need to start reading. Noone is forced to compete under t1 or t2 - there are ROTATIONS within each tier for the first half of the month. T1 cannot touch t2 mobs, and vice versa, for the first half of the month. Noone is subjecting you to anything you dont want to be subject to, unless you do not want to be subject to rotations. Well, if you dont want to be subject to rotations, then you have two whole weeks a month to cutt-throat FTE raid!

There will be rotations for the first half of the month, as divinity proposed, and the second half will be complete FFA where the tiers are irrelevant.