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Old 10-07-2025, 10:50 AM
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Most people will not have a pocket shaman and much less a primal weapon so unless you know for a fact you're headed that route I wouldn't bank on that at character creation.

But yeah, 25str/dex/sta won't move the needle much either way. For non/casual raiders I'd say max your primary stat and worst case scenario you just get more wiggle room to toy with optimization/resists.
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Old 10-07-2025, 10:54 AM
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Old 10-07-2025, 10:56 AM
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ah theres the ole DSM we've all come to love
I am pointing out the obvious. My guess is the majority of melee class characters that can play Ogre/Troll are a race other than Troll/Ogre. If you are fine losing somewhere between 27-70 points of STR for fashionquest, you'll be fine putting your starting stats into something other than STR.
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Old 10-07-2025, 11:09 AM
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Do you guys think that Revanx22, the OP - who was taking a break from levelling their only toon, a level 40 something druid, is gearing up their BiS ranger? Or maybe a BiS knight?


Oh, no.. wait. They wanted a class that you can just pick up and start playing and doesn't need BiS gear to solo.

Which is monk. End of convo. Lock this thread, or else.
I highly doubt OP realizes what a mess this has become.

Although, you really shouldn’t generalize monk as the best solo melee. Sure with good gear they can mow though light blues with ease; with insane gear they scale like no other class. Just get a primal and some god weapons, EZ.

Without a fungi, 34-36% haste, epic, and a Tstaff the field evens out. A pally for example has no borked knight melee table at this point in the progression. Access to very cheap weapons (a Reaver on blue is like 5kpp, same for a Narandi Lance at 55). A DW helm is about 400p and heals 110hp/12 seconds at 45.

Also mind you, no monk epic until 50 and that’s if you have a crew to get it. Before that you are rocking a whistler robe again if you can pay for the MQ’s since no 35 monk is venturing into Chardok or KC on a pipe quest.

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I am pointing out the obvious. My guess is the majority of melee class characters that can play Ogre/Troll are a race other than Troll/Ogre. If you are fine losing somewhere between 27-70 points of STR for fashionquest, you'll be fine putting your starting stats into something other than STR.
If you are an alt-o-holic the 20% exp penalty for a troll or 15% for ogre are fine print worth noticing. I still don’t think it’s enough for sway a player away from a fatty if they really want to play one. Likewise, the stats won’t lean a player away from a smaller race of their choice.

Keep in mind though for a warrior, gnomes are preshrunk and have access to 40% spell haste arms. Hitting the stamina target of 205 is not difficult.

For SK’s the difference between an Erudite and Troll is roughly 600-700 mana with the same gear. That’s a few drain souls. It’s not ideal as having a ton of Str, stam, refen, and slam, but it means you can stack cheap droppable HP gear which seldom has mana.

Here is my very scruffy SK that’s mostly an EC bin sale. She does ok. I’d even play her more if not locked away in VP for an eternity, lol.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Corinnia
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Old 10-07-2025, 11:36 AM
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Most people will not have a pocket shaman and much less a primal weapon so unless you know for a fact you're headed that route I wouldn't bank on that at character creation.

But yeah, 25str/dex/sta won't move the needle much either way. For non/casual raiders I'd say max your primary stat and worst case scenario you just get more wiggle room to toy with optimization/resists.
I have a highly regarded friend with a 60 shaman. Check mate.
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Old 10-07-2025, 11:52 AM
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Most people will not have a pocket shaman and much less a primal weapon so unless you know for a fact you're headed that route I wouldn't bank on that at character creation.

But yeah, 25str/dex/sta won't move the needle much either way. For non/casual raiders I'd say max your primary stat and worst case scenario you just get more wiggle room to toy with optimization/resists.
The reason why I suggest people think of endgame for their starting stats is because P99 is a game you play for years.

My first main character was my SK. I started my Shaman for fun as an alt to try out the class. I never thought he would be a level 60 character. At the time I also didn't plan on ever doing high end raids like ToV. I was doing PoSky for the most part on my SK.

My Shaman ends up becoming my main, getting to 60 before my SK. I also decide to join Aftermath and do endgame raiding.

People may change their minds on a character later on. That is why I suggest people assume their new characters will be level 60 and raiding, because this may be the case a year from now.

Starting stats do not significantly impact your play, so it's not an expensive gamble to assume your character will be finished eventually.
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Old 10-07-2025, 12:38 PM
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This thread is now LOCKED. The answer was derived many pages ago, and now the harmonious p99 forums community has devolved into personal attacks over minutae - which is very unlike our very easy-going community. Any attempts to further discourse in this thread will result in a time out in a dark room so you can think about what you've done.

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Old 10-07-2025, 01:17 PM
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DSM was definitely not in AM.
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Old 10-07-2025, 01:23 PM
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DSM was definitely not in AM.
I was, and I maintained my raid attendance requirements.

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My Enchanter is still tagged. That was when I was raiding the most.
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Old 10-07-2025, 01:24 PM
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DSM was definitely not in AM.
he prob raided as much as he does in fuse.

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