Questioning GM Decisions

[Slave]

The fact of the matter is that when a player like Skope starts giving you some constructive criticism on the server he's played on for years, you should probably listen. He represents a huge group of players, the kind of players that any sane GM would want on his server: the ones who don't cheat.

What it comes down to is that if you allow those people to return with their ill-gotten items, it's going to pretty much ruin P99 for the rest of us. You know, the ones you want to play with. The ones who don't cheat.

So if anyone reads this, please disregard Hasbinbad's generic murmurs of safety and normalcy; the sky IS falling with regards to our tiny corner of the internet. This is the single largest significant event and GM decision ever to hit P99. There is still a choice to be made, and it is between two kinds of people. Those who cheated... and the ones who don't cheat.

When a server population stands to lose a huge percentage of its cheaters, or a smaller percentage of we other gamers, the ones who aren't normally as vocal, or influential as individuals, because we usually only play the game itself instead of the metaforum... then I'm sorry, but FUCK the cheaters. I vote to keep the ones who don't cheat.

Delete the cheaters' items or there will be irrevocable damage done to the rest of the server. P99 will never be the same... when the good people like Skope start telling you they will quit because of the decision you are about to make final, then really please just forget the game. Forget training and rule lawyering and the nihilistic top 2 guilds and just make the RIGHT, moral decision. Keep the ones who don't cheat.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Delete the cheaters' items or there will be irrevocable damage done to the rest of the server. P99 will never be the same... when the good people like Skope start telling you they will quit because of the decision you are about to make final, then really please just forget the game. Forget training and rule lawyering and the nihilistic top 2 guilds and just make the RIGHT, moral decision. Keep the ones who don't cheat.

This is exactly the kind of doom and gloom speech that does nobody any good, thank you Slave for providing an example.

First of all, saying that unless your demands are met, some harm will come to the people being demanded of is tantamount to terrorism, which is exactly what you just did when you said "Delete the cheaters' items or there will be irrevocable damage done to the rest of the server. P99 will never be the same..." This is terrorism plain and simple, and this is the tactic employed by a large majority of the group of posters who are being detrimental to the health of the server at the current time.

Secondly, Skope, while a valuable member of the community, leaving because he doesn't like the rules of the server is not a reason to change the rules of the forum.

Thirdly, Skope has a perfectly legitimate method available to him which has been provided and outlined by the staff. Skope should use this avenue and abide by the decisions or make his decision whether or not he wants to be here.

The above goes for everyone. The mob rule mentality is not getting the server anywhere but downhill, so let's put a stop to it.

[Demetrium]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly the kind of doom and gloom speech that does nobody any good, thank you Slave for providing an example.

First of all, saying that unless your demands are met, some harm will come to the people being demanded of is tantamount to terrorism, which is exactly what you just did when you said "Delete the cheaters' items or there will be irrevocable damage done to the rest of the server. P99 will never be the same..." This is terrorism plain and simple, and this is the tactic employed by a large majority of the group of posters who are being detrimental to the health of the server at the current time.

"Stop questioning the GMs because it's harming the server". Sounds eerily similar to a thread I'm reading...

[Deuces]

I think the Gm's should input on this thread some more and not have all the hasbinbad comments.

[Runningfish]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly the kind of doom and gloom speech that does nobody any good, thank you Slave for providing an example.

First of all, saying that unless your demands are met, some harm will come to the people being demanded of is tantamount to terrorism, which is exactly what you just did when you said "Delete the cheaters' items or there will be irrevocable damage done to the rest of the server. P99 will never be the same..." This is terrorism plain and simple, and this is the tactic employed by a large majority of the group of posters who are being detrimental to the health of the server at the current time.

Secondly, Skope, while a valuable member of the community, leaving because he doesn't like the rules of the server is not a reason to change the rules of the forum.

Thirdly, Skope has a perfectly legitimate method available to him which has been provided and outlined by the staff. Skope should use this avenue and abide by the decisions or make his decision whether or not he wants to be here.

The above goes for everyone. The mob rule mentality is not getting the server anywhere but downhill, so let's put a stop to it.

Agree'd completely. Pretty much agree with everything you've said so far. Personally I think that our forum which is our public face being filled with unmoderated trolling and bashing is more harmful than cheaters keeping their items. New blood keeps us running. Was the server dead and destroyed before the suspensions? Is it now? Then most likely it won't be when they get back. I don't know about you but I sure as hell haven't noticed any difference in the economy with them being gone.

They made the rules, we are expected to play by them. However since they made them they can change them and they can decide how they are enforced. None of us have the full picture. If you think that by reading the forums you're more qualified to make these decisions your probably mistaken.

I don't think it can be argued that more moderation here would be a bad thing. Trolling and name calling is doing nothing to help our situation.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, saying that unless your demands are met, some harm will come to the people being demanded of is tantamount to terrorism, which is exactly what you just did when you said "Delete the cheaters' items or there will be irrevocable damage done to the rest of the server. P99 will never be the same..." This is terrorism plain and simple, and this is the tactic employed by a large majority of the group of posters who are being detrimental to the health of the server at the current time.

What? This, seriously, is.... well this isn't RNF so I'm not sure if I can type what I want.

So what you're saying is that when I tell someone they they should wear their seatbelt or they might die in an otherwise minor accident is me being a terrorist? Lock your doors or someone might break in and steal your stuff and/or kill you is terrorism?

I don't remember reading where Slave threatened to personally do something that would cause harm to the server if their items weren't deleted. Sounds like he is warning of possible repercussions from the community if they dont.

Propaganda? Possibly, since the repercussions can't really be proven until they happen.
Terrorism? No.

[Messianic]

Moderating by deleting posts and suspending repeat offenders would help. People need to realize that all that needs to be said has been said. If they have something to report that involves a gm decision, there are ways of submitting that to the right people.

There are people on these forums who see a server wipe or this server failing as a positive for them, so they stir the pot. People should be reporting stuff of this nature as well to bring it to moderator attention.

[Vohl]

nilbog and others: Thanks for stepping up the policing on the Server Chat forum. I hope that things get better soon and some posters learn to keep RnF mentality in the RnF forum. Server concerns can certainly be discussed civilly.

[mitic]

you just dont ban a good portion of your active "customers", at least not at the first time they got caught

we are talking here about threehundretsixtyfive accounts ffs

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you just dont ban a good portion of your active "customers", at least not at the first time they got caught

we are talking here about threehundretsixtyfive accounts ffs

365 accounts != 365 active players. They absolutely should be banned the first time being caught.

- Any type of program or script that gives you an unfair advantage (eg. MacroQuest, ShowEQ or packet modification) will result in an instant ban with no lenience. Cheating will be ruled with an iron first regardless of who you are.

From this thread.

NO LENIENCE...so why was it given? That rules post is 2 years old, so people had to know it was illegal.