Sirken & Zade - City Teams where each Team has each Needed Class

[Lowlife]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so basically red99 with 3 hard coded guilds. the difference in teams will be what?

Originally Posted by Lowlife [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

teams 99 and its staff do not revolve around aiding nilly for potential merge complications nor for providing a more beneficial rule set for you, or one that is more to your liking.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so basically red99 with 3 hard coded guilds. the difference in teams will be what?

Thats just it genius - there is no fucking difference except people within a guild (team) have protection from players on that team... and of course when a small sect within that team decides they want to run the show, the rest of that team gets cut out and forced to use blue mechanics to compete.

[SamwiseRed]

u kinda belong to a zerg, not sure you realize how blue you are

your lack of pvp experience showd

[SamwiseRed]

i think players should be on the teams server round table, they are the ones playing after all and have the most pvp experience

[pharmakos]

zomg i just marked out so hard at the thought of Gnome Monk

[Vexenu]

I think it's obvious how these custom team ideas get more and more ridiculous when you actually drill down on them and try to make them balanced.

Gnome monks? Halfling Shamans?

And people tell me that buffing starting stats of Good races is too extreme?

SZ teams with minor tweaks remains the best option by a mile.

[pharmakos]

i still think it should just be boys vs. girls

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i still think it should just be boys vs. girls

Boys vs Girls vs Transgendered for 3 teams.

[Kergan]

The minor tweaks are the hard part though. Elegant ideas are more difficult to come up with then crushing the problem with a sledgehammer.

Plus, there isn't even a consensus if some of the problems are problems at all. On top of that without knowing how teams would be divided we don't know what the problems even are yet. But it's sort of a catch 22, you create the teams to try to solve the balance problems, but no matter how you divide the teams up (aside from just having people pick a team and get a different color nametag) you create a different set of balance issues.

You can't just do SZ, give good/neutral some summon corpse potions and call it good. That still does nothing to overcome the racial stat and location superiority posses by the evil team, not to mention they have the only three races that have in-combat based racial abilities (stun immunity, regen). There is no debate, ogres/trolls/iksars are top 3 in every class they can choose. Does buffing up stats solve the problem? I don't know, I guess that is one thing to be debated.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The minor tweaks are the hard part though. Elegant ideas are more difficult to come up with then crushing the problem with a sledgehammer.

Plus, there isn't even a consensus if some of the problems are problems at all. On top of that without knowing how teams would be divided we don't know what the problems even are yet. But it's sort of a catch 22, you create the teams to try to solve the balance problems, but no matter how you divide the teams up (aside from just having people pick a team and get a different color nametag) you create a different set of balance issues.

You can't just do SZ, give good/neutral some summon corpse potions and call it good. That still does nothing to overcome the racial stat and location superiority posses by the evil team, not to mention they have the only three races that have in-combat based racial abilities (stun immunity, regen). There is no debate, ogres/trolls/iksars are top 3 in every class they can choose. Does buffing up stats solve the problem? I don't know, I guess that is one thing to be debated.

I agree with kergans perspective here. Balancing EQ via teams is a bad idea. At least I gather that.

But I think basing teams off of a city vs a racial/religious alignment would be funner than an SZ style system.

I really don't have a problem with some ogres on the good team having to earn faction, and some on the bad team. There's an ogre that hates dark elves in EFP at the docks at the bar. There's a troll on Mithaniel Marrs good side in HHK. It seems fine to just do it that way.