I do have drug problems

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's ironic that the more hardcore atheist out of the two us, Halito and I, is the one who's a huge fan of AA. It took one visit to my friend's NA meeting to see that place was chock-full of crazy, in addition to the religious crazy.

aye

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's ironic that the more hardcore atheist out of the two us, Halito and I, is the one who's a huge fan of AA. It took one visit to my friend's NA meeting to see that place was chock-full of crazy, in addition to the religious crazy.

Im not a "huge fan of AA" i simply think its absurd to say that going to AA meetings can be as harmful as alcoholism itself. It would have to be one horrible cult to compare to how destructive alcoholism is. Its also important to note that while im not religious myself, that does not mean that I think having a belief in a higher power can't be beneficial and helpful to some people, I just personally don't go in for it.

[r00t]

The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs. the corner store sells finer scotch, but who's got uncut powder?

"At what age can I choose how to live?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its absurd to say that going to AA meetings can be as harmful as alcoholism itself

to be fair, nobody said that, although I will defend that position in this conversation, because aside from the physiological effects of alcohol on mammals, it is true in principle.

What I was referring to however, are the side effects of addiction, not the physiological effects of alcohol on mammals. Would you or most alcoholics end up sucking dick to get to AA? Probably not, but I actually know someone who has done that very thing. Consequences of addiction are consequences of addiction. It doesn't matter what the focus of that addiction is.

[Barkingturtle]

A great number of people find healing in the church and/or AA and to begrudge them that healing is indicative only of your own bias and not some perceived destitution of character or intellect in the addicted deist. Each person has their own path to happiness and wholeness and is entitled to experience and cope with life -- as either an addict, an atheist, a deist, etc etc -- as they the individual are best able.

[Cecily]

I totally agree, that's why I'm way more moderate atheist than a lot of the people here. If faith in god has some real benefit to your life, I'm happy you found something that works. However, it turns me the fuck off from those programs. Thank god I'm boring and only addicted to EQ and cigarettes.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cigarettes.

Should quit. It will kill you. If it doesn't kill you, you'll wish it had.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should quit. It will kill you. If it doesn't kill you, you'll wish it had.

I think EQ is doing more damage to my well-being tbh, but thank you for the concern. Every single smoker knows they should quit, and probably wants to. I'd like to. I suppose my excuse is I haven't accepted my powerless over my addiction or faith in a higher power yet.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose my excuse is I haven't accepted my powerless over my addiction or faith in a higher power yet.

I love you right now.

I hate this complete sentence more than SIMPLY the religious aspect of 12 steps. Honestly, I find some faults with the prayer, but it does have things to learn. All of the anecdotes in their bible have things you can learn, just like any religious scrip. And you can't argue the results. There is not a more efficacious way to long-term get people off alcohol yet. However, it absolutely is addiction replacement for many if not most members, it absolutely is weird and culty, it absolutely is capable of exposing members to the very things (or worse) they are trying to get away from.

Shrug.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I totally agree, that's why I'm way more moderate atheist than a lot of the people here. If faith in god has some real benefit to your life, I'm happy you found something that works. However, it turns me the fuck off from those programs. Thank god I'm boring and only addicted to EQ and cigarettes.

I'm an atheist, too -- unless it turns out that maybe I am God -- I just don't judge what works for people and I don't demean religious people by questioning their sanity simply because they are religious. Whatever gets one through the night is really none of my business. You don't sound very moderate to me. You sound allergic to God, which can only lead me to assume you were maybe raped with a crucifix as a kid or maybe you were raised Jehova's Witness. Either way, I'm sorry and it wasn't your fault.