Best solo melee class?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason I suspect you didn't use them is because how wildly magic resistant they are. It generally takes mins to land it and snare is only 3 min duration. I really like ensnare for them simply because it gives you a lil breathing room, but it's a pain in the ass to stick.

The great thing about soloing an ice burrower (maybe I'll do again in the future and video it... does anyone want to watch a 2 hr video of spamming snare, bracer and shoot?!) is it takes so long you can really mix up and experiment with strategies.

[Danth]

Sounds like the ball joint separator sitting in the bottom of my real-life toolbox out in the garage. It has its use (name kinda hints), I've used it before, might use it again sometime, but it's pretty dirty from neglect and basically just sits there taking up space.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like the ball joint separator sitting in the bottom of my real-life toolbox out in the garage. It has its use (name kinda hints), I've used it before, might use it again sometime, but it's pretty dirty from neglect and basically just sits there taking up space.

I always find it fascinating how people will spend hundreds of DKP and many hours of raid time to get a flowing thought I item on their Ranger.

But they won't spend 500 pp and 40 clicks to get a flowing thought I equivalent via Tolan Gloves.

People will happily swap out their ToV weapons for swarmcaller to proc it. This is no different than swapping your BiS gloves for some free mana.

[Jimjam]

Cos you’ll never fill your inventory, wish for more space and decide you want 400pp + an extra item slot than a swarmy when visiting a vendor.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cos you’ll never fill your inventory, wish for more space and decide you want 400pp + an extra item slot than a swarmy when visiting a vendor.

I understand the inventory game. Most of my bags are full of resist gear and clickies. You would simply think spending like 700+ DKP on Eye of Cazic Thule means you think a Flowing Thought I item is well worth carrying around/equipping. It may be worth an bag slot more than something else.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think pretty much everyone who has played a ranger has tried them on account of KC being a bit of a ranger's paradise and the gloves dropping like candy at LC. Maybe we are unfairly harsh on them as they aren't particularly good in KC, which paints a bad general first experience of them?

The reason I'm so low on them is mostly because Earring of Woven Bark exists. There's a higher level cap, but from 45-49 they won't be very useful anyway. If you're doing pugs in CoM most stuff doesn't flee. If you're out fear kiting, well, a couple 10 mana panic animals and a 15 mana snare per kill isn't gonna deplete your mana before you're ready for a break anyway.

After level 49, the earring is better because it allows better itemization. There's not a lot of great alternative earrings with better stats, but there are some great gloves like Crystal Chitin, Fiery Might, or even SCHW. I don't think there's going to be any earring/glove combo with Tolan's that beats a combo with Woven Bark until you get into no-drop stuff.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason I'm so low on them is mostly because Earring of Woven Bark exists. There's a higher level cap, but from 45-49 they won't be very useful anyway. If you're doing pugs in CoM most stuff doesn't flee. If you're out fear kiting, well, a couple 10 mana panic animals and a 15 mana snare per kill isn't gonna deplete your mana before you're ready for a break anyway.

After level 49, the earring is better because it allows better itemization. There's not a lot of great alternative earrings with better stats, but there are some great gloves like Crystal Chitin, Fiery Might, or even SCHW. I don't think there's going to be any earring/glove combo with Tolan's that beats a combo with Woven Bark until you get into no-drop stuff.

To be clear, my argument has never been that Tolan Gloves are a Ranger's best snare clickie. If you have earring or woushi shield, feel free to use them instead. I also agree with you that having the snare clickie on your ear is easier, as earrings generally have less stats than gloves anyway.

My broader point is that using a snare clickie over a spell cast saves you mana, which is useful. This is especially true if you are running out of mana due to spellcasting.

If you save 600 mana per hour from clicking the snare clickie, you have a flowing thought I item.

[Jimjam]

Maybe it'd be worth saving a spell slot for. IDK, I've always kept at least one snare on bar.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe it'd be worth saving a spell slot for. IDK, I've always kept at least one snare on bar.

It gives you more options for sure. I sometimes have 0 FD spells on my bar, and rely exclusively on BE Greaves for FD.

[Jimjam]

Fall down pants are mighty fine, and that is why my vote is for SK!