team or pure red?

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Masses have spoken. FFA PVP. And this just in, the live pvp server is complete shit with 17 expansions, this is classic everquest pvp, point negated.

well, rite now its roughly 66% no teams vs. 33% teams so the demand for teams cant be negated yet... poll should be made sticky so more ppl can vote

(as long it isnt written in stone already by p99 staff what it will be)

[solid]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? All the x-teaming done throughout EQ team PvP history? Name specifics. I spent most of my EQ career on SZ and the only 'x-teaming' done was when a goodie bought an evil bard and trained Fear. That wouldn't fly on red99 as training is going to be illegal.



If you don't people, then re-roll. Everyone is going to have someone in their guild they would rather not be around, but put up with it because they have other friends they like.

There is a reason why the amount of FFA PvP games coming out are non-existent: It suck.

I will play either way. I just feel that the server population would benefit more from teams.

Lol @ no x-teaming on SZ. We x-teamed constantly in Hate if it served our interests, and so did everyone else. You must have pretty out of the loop, because it was pretty rampant, and we were always pretty unapologetic about it.


Next, I have no idea what you're basing your 'teams = more population' argument around, but you're ignoring the only population check that could possibly serve as a test, which is when all 4 Zek servers were up and running at once.

Population: RZ (no hardcoded teams) > VZ/TZ (softcoded teams) > SZ (hardcoded teams)

If you're going to claim 'teams= more population' the burden of proof is on you to prove it, because any data that we have indicates otherwise.


And finally, I'm not going to even dignify the 'if you don't like the people you're hardcoded to be on a team with, then just reroll' argument with a response.

[greatdane]

Really, it comes down to the fact that most of the purpose of making red99 is to let players work their disputes out among themselves. Teams are counterintuitive to that goal, and that's without touching the strong likelihood of unbalanced teams, x-teaming, and the fact that teams effectively reduce the population since there'll be not only less people to PvP against but also to group with. FFA allows you to group with and PvP against anyone, and since it's optimistic to expect even half of p99's population on red99, I think that'll become a necessity pretty quickly. Nothing indicates that teams will result in a larger population, and beyond the very early levels where you're so vulnerable and classes are so undeveloped that PvP doesn't have much of a point, FFA fulfills every purpose and solves every demographic-related problem that the server is likely to encounter. The number of players required to make the server well-populated is directly proportional to the number of teams, because the more teams there are, the more players it'll take. Without teams, we could probably do alright with a 100-200ish player average. With three teams, there wouldn't be enough on any of the teams to get anything done.

[Billbike]

I want to group, raid, or kill whomever I please.

Telling anyone to reroll on a server with classic xp is fail.

No teams. Don't listen to the commies.

[Ziggy]

im seeing a common misconception here; teams do not prevent you from grouping with anyone.

maybe you wont want to group with those gnomes, but you could

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol @ no x-teaming on SZ. We x-teamed constantly in Hate if it served our interests, and so did everyone else. You must have pretty out of the loop, because it was pretty rampant, and we were always pretty unapologetic about it.


Next, I have no idea what you're basing your 'teams = more population' argument around, but you're ignoring the only population check that could possibly serve as a test, which is when all 4 Zek servers were up and running at once.

Population: RZ (no hardcoded teams) > VZ/TZ (softcoded teams) > SZ (hardcoded teams)

If you're going to claim 'teams= more population' the burden of proof is on you to prove it, because any data that we have indicates otherwise.


And finally, I'm not going to even dignify the 'if you don't like the people you're hardcoded to be on a team with, then just reroll' argument with a response.

Source of this data?

[Musori]

I vote for a religious teams!

Bertoxxulous: The Plaguebringer
Brell Serilis: The Duke of Below, Duke of Underfoot
Bristlebane: The King of Thieves
Cazic-Thule: The Faceless, Lord of Fear
Erollisi Marr: The Queen of Love
Mithaniel Marr: The Lightbearer
Prexus: The Oceanlord
Quellious: The Tranquil
Rallos Zek: The Warlord
Rodcet Nife: The Prime Healer
Solusek Ro: The Burning Prince, Lord of Flame

11 teams!! Nothing feeds hate as mutch as religion!! Add 11 teams votable aswell!

[Foxx]

Originally Posted by Musori [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I vote for a religious teams!

Bertoxxulous: The Plaguebringer
Brell Serilis: The Duke of Below, Duke of Underfoot
Bristlebane: The King of Thieves
Cazic-Thule: The Faceless, Lord of Fear
Erollisi Marr: The Queen of Love
Mithaniel Marr: The Lightbearer
Prexus: The Oceanlord
Quellious: The Tranquil
Rallos Zek: The Warlord
Rodcet Nife: The Prime Healer
Solusek Ro: The Burning Prince, Lord of Flame

11 teams!! Nothing feeds hate as mutch as religion!! Add 11 teams votable aswell!

agnostic needs a team pal

[Musori]

Oh snap! i forgot the most important one =) Make it 12 damnit! Agnostic is my personal favorit!

[hotstud]

Teams was fun because of the coin loot, it allowed for more raiding due to better geared players but the PvP suffered because of cross race guilds using immune healers and such. FFA was fun because you could attack anyone but the raiding suffered.

FFA with coin loot is the way to go. The only way I would support teams is if guild/group restrictions were coded in or guilds that cross invited from other teams became their own team.