Best setup for rogue end game

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Silver Whip isn’t an A or S tier item but it’s situationally useful in the way a Dragonebone Club or other weapons aren’t. Not exactly in the spirit of the thread but a rogue forced to “tank” something might benefit from MH’ing it and swapping in a dagger for frontal backstabs; it could also be rotated in with a Locustlure as needed. As you are gearing up, it’s also a solid way to add 25Mr. In our guild these are SUPER cheap (about half the cost of a Kreizen’s Flame).

Again…it doesn’t play into the BiS rogue dps talk and I do not claim to be an expert (I’m not a rogue). I’ve been around to know which rogues top the parses and know which ones don’t, their gear is very similar. It wouldn’t be a horrible impulse buy, even if it stays in your bag 95% the time.

Well the trick to tanking is to maintain agro and the whip is trash for that. Rogues have something that rangers don't, AC. Rogues are tougher than equally geared rangers by a fair margin. Haven't done math, but I'm pretty certain Nightfall is the best agro generator. It's a 9/16 with dooming darkness proc and can backstab when the mob flips. Loved tanking with that thing. Mrylo is super high agro as well and that proc is ridiculous sustain.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you suggest RB / Croaking dirk cos croaking dirk is best weapon to get you to 46, after that simply primary epic for the win (so throw CD in sec)? Collect DKP, twink Ranger?

Rage and croaker are my go to for every new rogue before raid weapons, yes. And imo twinking a ranger is a DKP trap. They never get better despite upgrades. You have to commit hard to get a fraction of EC tunnel monk solo power. Primal bow + 2H primal + Cek Sword + Dragon Slaying Gaunts + Sky Cloak + Fungi is a good time though.

If you're remarking on how you can make a raid level dps bot for minimal investment, yeah.. rogues are insanely powerful with that combo. You need to invest appropriately in resists and HP/worts or they're a liability. But yeah
I consider that a raid level weapon combo. Probably performs at 70-80% of a maxed out rogue. Which would look like they do 30k you do 21-24k with a lot less of your life invested. Numbers made up but feel right.

[Dogz]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shut up

Didn't you like that thread ?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the trick to tanking is to maintain agro and the whip is trash for that. Rogues have something that rangers don't, AC. Rogues are tougher than equally geared rangers by a fair margin. Haven't done math, but I'm pretty certain Nightfall is the best agro generator. It's a 9/16 with dooming darkness proc and can backstab when the mob flips. Loved tanking with that thing. Mrylo is super high agro as well and that proc is ridiculous sustain.

Very true. I was just thinking a situation where people are killing swaths of trash like geos. Presuming any situation where the healer wouldn’t just tank to let the rogue kill twice as quick and assassinate stuff.

Thinking on this I can’t imagine even a duo/trio where a rogue would be tanking. In Seb CE they are likely just trying backstabs. Even a Druid or Cleric+rogue killing a harder target wouldn’t be too difficult. If the healer goes OOM a rune whip wouldn’t save the day.

[kjs86z2]

Best weird/off-meta trio I ever did was bard / monk / rogue (me). All 56/57, epics / fungis, in the hole. Would catch some occasional aggro, sometimes intentionally took aggro to even out HP bars, used whip. We didn't stop killing for 2 hours straight, zero downtime, never had backstab on CD for more than a few seconds. Lovely.

Doesn't apply to OP, but still. If you can get one cheap its not a bad addition to the toolkit.

[Snaggles]

That’s fair too. I really like the whip and the buff lasts a long time if it doesn’t get used up. At least it has some purpose past its ratio.

[Samoht]

sebilite croaking dirk is a great starter weapon to use pre-epic, but that shit pulls aggro so hard in offhand in an xp group that i recommend selling it and getting something slower after you get epic

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sebilite croaking dirk is a great starter weapon to use pre-epic, but that shit pulls aggro so hard in offhand in an xp group that i recommend selling it and getting something slower after you get epic

Hate generated is weap damage + damage bonus on every swing, no matter the outcome (hit or miss). So for offhand ratio is a pretty good metric for hate. Speed by itself doesn't matter much except for situations like if your tank misses a couple 2hander swings early on while you get a lot of hits in but on average higher ratio = more hate and SCD is a decent weap.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate generated is weap damage + damage bonus on every swing, no matter the outcome (hit or miss).

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So for offhand ratio is a pretty good metric for hate.

these things are not mutually exclusive. you can have a good ratio on a slower weapon. especially off hand.

pick something else.

4 real.

exquisite weapons, skyfury scimitar, scimitar of emerald dawn, edge of the nightwalker

[Cecily]

If we're talking lv 50+ tanks are able to deal with that weapon. It's a pretty tame rogue weapon compared to literally anything from NToV. Especially if you're mainhanding epic which will cushion agro from melee swings. Seb dirk is a high agro weapon and managing high agro is part of learning to play a rogue. If tank = warrior then engage at x% hp, else backstab immediately. There's a number for every tank determined by the balance of their gear and your own.