Best setup for rogue end game

[Snaggles]

The Silver Whip isn’t an A or S tier item but it’s situationally useful in the way a Dragonebone Club or other weapons aren’t. Not exactly in the spirit of the thread but a rogue forced to “tank” something might benefit from MH’ing it and swapping in a dagger for frontal backstabs; it could also be rotated in with a Locustlure as needed. As you are gearing up, it’s also a solid way to add 25Mr. In our guild these are SUPER cheap (about half the cost of a Kreizen’s Flame).

Again…it doesn’t play into the BiS rogue dps talk and I do not claim to be an expert (I’m not a rogue). I’ve been around to know which rogues top the parses and know which ones don’t, their gear is very similar. It wouldn’t be a horrible impulse buy, even if it stays in your bag 95% the time.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Silver Whip isn’t an A or S tier item but it’s situationally useful in the way a Dragonebone Club or other weapons aren’t. Not exactly in the spirit of the thread but a rogue forced to “tank” something might benefit from MH’ing it and swapping in a dagger for frontal backstabs; it could also be rotated in with a Locustlure as needed. As you are gearing up, it’s also a solid way to add 25Mr. In our guild these are SUPER cheap (about half the cost of a Kreizen’s Flame).

Again…it doesn’t play into the BiS rogue dps talk and I do not claim to be an expert (I’m not a rogue). I’ve been around to know which rogues top the parses and know which ones don’t, their gear is very similar. It wouldn’t be a horrible impulse buy, even if it stays in your bag 95% the time.

Well the trick to tanking is to maintain agro and the whip is trash for that. Rogues have something that rangers don't, AC. Rogues are tougher than equally geared rangers by a fair margin. Haven't done math, but I'm pretty certain Nightfall is the best agro generator. It's a 9/16 with dooming darkness proc and can backstab when the mob flips. Loved tanking with that thing. Mrylo is super high agro as well and that proc is ridiculous sustain.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the trick to tanking is to maintain agro and the whip is trash for that. Rogues have something that rangers don't, AC. Rogues are tougher than equally geared rangers by a fair margin. Haven't done math, but I'm pretty certain Nightfall is the best agro generator. It's a 9/16 with dooming darkness proc and can backstab when the mob flips. Loved tanking with that thing. Mrylo is super high agro as well and that proc is ridiculous sustain.

Very true. I was just thinking a situation where people are killing swaths of trash like geos. Presuming any situation where the healer wouldn’t just tank to let the rogue kill twice as quick and assassinate stuff.

Thinking on this I can’t imagine even a duo/trio where a rogue would be tanking. In Seb CE they are likely just trying backstabs. Even a Druid or Cleric+rogue killing a harder target wouldn’t be too difficult. If the healer goes OOM a rune whip wouldn’t save the day.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very true. I was just thinking a situation where people are killing swaths of trash like geos. Presuming any situation where the healer wouldn’t just tank to let the rogue kill twice as quick and assassinate stuff.

Thinking on this I can’t imagine even a duo/trio where a rogue would be tanking. In Seb CE they are likely just trying backstabs. Even a Druid or Cleric+rogue killing a harder target wouldn’t be too difficult. If the healer goes OOM a rune whip wouldn’t save the day.

Because people are unimaginative idiots that have mental breakdowns when their comfort game gets played differently, speaking from experience tanking for a Chef/Bar wing group. Groupmates freak out after about 5 mins of the rogue not backstabbing on timer despite no issues.


Here's a friendlier version of your message:
I’ve noticed that some people can be a bit rigid when it comes to their comfort zones in games. From my experience with the Chef/Bar wing group, it’s interesting to see how quickly some teammates get anxious if the rogue isn’t backstabbing precisely on time. It’s only been a few minutes, and suddenly there’s a lot of stress! It’s a reminder that we all have our own styles, and a little patience can go a long way.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dislike it because it's obligate offhand and that's half proc rate. It's really nice for rangers. Truth is what you do doesn't matter. Rogues are a swarm class. You're part of a raid and you're not killing anything solo.. or at least you really really hope you're not. Min maxing might change your total contribution by 1-2%. Maybe 5% over an EC tunnel rogue. So, yes, your survival is your biggest DPS contribution. Any rogue with an epic mainhand will put a large of chunk of damage into anything they live through.

So you suggest RB / Croaking dirk cos croaking dirk is best weapon to get you to 46, after that simply primary epic for the win (so throw CD in sec)? Collect DKP, twink Ranger?

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you suggest RB / Croaking dirk cos croaking dirk is best weapon to get you to 46, after that simply primary epic for the win (so throw CD in sec)? Collect DKP, twink Ranger?

Rage and croaker are my go to for every new rogue before raid weapons, yes. And imo twinking a ranger is a DKP trap. They never get better despite upgrades. You have to commit hard to get a fraction of EC tunnel monk solo power. Primal bow + 2H primal + Cek Sword + Dragon Slaying Gaunts + Sky Cloak + Fungi is a good time though.

If you're remarking on how you can make a raid level dps bot for minimal investment, yeah.. rogues are insanely powerful with that combo. You need to invest appropriately in resists and HP/worts or they're a liability. But yeah
I consider that a raid level weapon combo. Probably performs at 70-80% of a maxed out rogue. Which would look like they do 30k you do 21-24k with a lot less of your life invested. Numbers made up but feel right.

[kjs86z2]

Best weird/off-meta trio I ever did was bard / monk / rogue (me). All 56/57, epics / fungis, in the hole. Would catch some occasional aggro, sometimes intentionally took aggro to even out HP bars, used whip. We didn't stop killing for 2 hours straight, zero downtime, never had backstab on CD for more than a few seconds. Lovely.

Doesn't apply to OP, but still. If you can get one cheap its not a bad addition to the toolkit.

[Snaggles]

That’s fair too. I really like the whip and the buff lasts a long time if it doesn’t get used up. At least it has some purpose past its ratio.

[Samoht]

sebilite croaking dirk is a great starter weapon to use pre-epic, but that shit pulls aggro so hard in offhand in an xp group that i recommend selling it and getting something slower after you get epic

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sebilite croaking dirk is a great starter weapon to use pre-epic, but that shit pulls aggro so hard in offhand in an xp group that i recommend selling it and getting something slower after you get epic

Hate generated is weap damage + damage bonus on every swing, no matter the outcome (hit or miss). So for offhand ratio is a pretty good metric for hate. Speed by itself doesn't matter much except for situations like if your tank misses a couple 2hander swings early on while you get a lot of hits in but on average higher ratio = more hate and SCD is a decent weap.