Capitalism breeds innovation

[douglas1999]

Capitalism and free markets are what have enabled the poor of the world to become less poor at worst, and to prosper exponentially at best. If you can't understand this and get so immediately enamored with cool hippie word salads about the evil capitalist overlords you need to read more books.

Modern day China, which is often cited as a global superpower, is a small centralized communist authoritarian regime built upon what is otherwise a purely capitalistic society; they kind of get the best of both worlds in that sense: Dictatorial control of your thoughts from the top down, and also access to global markets from sheer tyranny of will. And a huge portion of that blame falls not just on America, but on any other nation that does business with them.

Your iphone doesn't *have* to be made in china, it's simply cheaper for apple to manufacture them there because of the hellishly ruthless government calling the shots with regard to labor practices. Apple could easily manufacture iphones in the united states, they would just cost you a bit more and they would make a bit less. The upside? Human beings who are for most out of sight and out of mind are not subjected to horrifyingly awful and unrelenting working conditions. This is why american capitalism is *good*, not bad, and frankly why trump's approach to chinese trade interests makes sense. The mcdonalds employee in america enjoys a higher quality of life and a higher net income than the apple employee of china.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your iphone doesn't *have* to be made in china, it's simply cheaper for apple to manufacture them there because of the hellishly ruthless government calling the shots with regard to labor practices. Apple could easily manufacture iphones in the united states, they would just cost you a bit more and they would make a bit less. The upside? Human beings who are for most out of sight and out of mind are not subjected to horrifyingly awful and unrelenting working conditions. This is why american capitalism is *good*, not bad, and frankly why trump's approach to chinese trade interests makes sense. The mcdonalds employee in america enjoys a higher quality of life and a higher net income than the apple employee of china.

It's capitalism minus Christianity. Jim Rogers prepared his family to move to China back around the time Obama was first getting into office. Perhaps the money was heading that way, what better for a money person than to be doing business in a place where people are valueless. Understand that isn't me saying Asian people are not worth anything, that is saying a Religion here keeps parts of it in check. The USA is big on checks and balances.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's capitalism minus Christianity. Jim Rogers prepared his family to move to China back around the time Obama was first getting into office. Perhaps the money was heading that way, what better for a money person than to be doing business in a place where people are valueless. Understand that isn't me saying Asian people are not worth anything, that is saying a Religion here keeps parts of it in check. The USA is big on checks and balances.

I think free market capitalism works with Christian values being the #1 priority, but then that isn't free market capitalism [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://youtu.be/Jne9t8sHpUc?t=88

[Lune]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Capitalism and free markets are what have enabled the poor of the world to become less poor at worst, and to prosper exponentially at best. If you can't understand this and get so immediately enamored with cool hippie word salads about the evil capitalist overlords you need to read more books.

Modern day China, which is often cited as a global superpower, is a small centralized communist authoritarian regime built upon what is otherwise a purely capitalistic society; they kind of get the best of both worlds in that sense: Dictatorial control of your thoughts from the top down, and also access to global markets from sheer tyranny of will. And a huge portion of that blame falls not just on America, but on any other nation that does business with them.

Your iphone doesn't *have* to be made in china, it's simply cheaper for apple to manufacture them there because of the hellishly ruthless government calling the shots with regard to labor practices. Apple could easily manufacture iphones in the united states, they would just cost you a bit more and they would make a bit less. The upside? Human beings who are for most out of sight and out of mind are not subjected to horrifyingly awful and unrelenting working conditions. This is why american capitalism is *good*, not bad, and frankly why trump's approach to chinese trade interests makes sense. The mcdonalds employee in america enjoys a higher quality of life and a higher net income than the apple employee of china.

God it must be nice to have such a simplistic worldview. You think our quality of life came from capitalism? We aren't even fucking capitalist, we are a mixed market, just like everyone else. Our standard of living is higher because we are a wealthier nation. We are a wealthy nation because of strong civic & cultural traits, all the events over the last 500 years, imperialism, and a combination of state interventionist economics and public institutions that protect our quality of life. We are free market to the extent that private parties are free to exchange goods and services and people can establish free enterprise, but beyond that we have always been interventionist, with the government selectively cultivating, protecting, and expanding certain industries through laws. Sometimes because of corruption, sometimes because of public will.

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Do you know what this is? Thousands of people marching for an 8 hour work day in 1900. Motivated by socialist ideas, people like this helped us transition from Chinese capitalism and syndicalism to the mixed market we have today (which has been terribly eroded since the 50's back in the direction of late 1800's peasanthood, but I digress). Before Marx and socialism there was no 8 hour work day, there was no vacation, there was no occupational safety, there was no 40 hour week, there was no minimum wage, there was no pension or retirement. Workers fought tooth and nail for each one of these things for decades before you were born with it, and people like you have been raised so misinformed as to want to throw it away for "muh capitalism".

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God it must be nice to have such a simplistic worldview. You think our quality of life came from capitalism? We aren't even fucking capitalist, we are a mixed market, just like everyone else. Our standard of living is higher because we are a wealthier nation. We are a wealthy nation because of strong civic & cultural traits, all the events over the last 500 years, imperialism, and a combination of state interventionist economics and public institutions that protect our quality of life. We are free market to the extent that private parties are free to exchange goods and services and people can establish free enterprise, but beyond that we have always been interventionist, with the government selectively cultivating, protecting, and expanding certain industries through laws. Sometimes because of corruption, sometimes because of public will.

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Do you know what this is? Thousands of people marching for an 8 hour work day in 1900. Motivated by socialist ideas, people like this helped us transition from Chinese capitalism and syndicalism to the mixed market we have today (which has been terribly eroded since the 50's back in the direction of late 1800's peasanthood, but I digress). Before Marx and socialism there was no 8 hour work day, there was no vacation, there was no occupational safety, there was no 40 hour week, there was no minimum wage, there was no pension or retirement. Workers fought tooth and nail for each one of these things for decades before you were born with it, and people like you have been raised so misinformed as to want to throw it away for "muh capitalism".

Okay thanks for the dissertation comrade. Yes I know we are mixed market. Yes I agree some regulations are important. Still 90% of what is good about any developed nation can be attributed to capitalism, not socialism or marxism or communism.

Fix what is broken within capitalism, since it's the best system yet devised for generating and dispersing wealth. Or continue larping as a french revolutionary cause it's cool and hipstery.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God it must be nice to have such a simplistic worldview. You think our quality of life came from capitalism? We aren't even fucking capitalist, we are a mixed market, just like everyone else. Our standard of living is higher because we are a wealthier nation. We are a wealthy nation because of strong civic & cultural traits, all the events over the last 500 years, imperialism, and a combination of state interventionist economics and public institutions that protect our quality of life. We are free market to the extent that private parties are free to exchange goods and services and people can establish free enterprise, but beyond that we have always been interventionist, with the government selectively cultivating, protecting, and expanding certain industries through laws. Sometimes because of corruption, sometimes because of public will.

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Do you know what this is? Thousands of people marching for an 8 hour work day in 1900. Motivated by socialist ideas, people like this helped us transition from Chinese capitalism and syndicalism to the mixed market we have today (which has been terribly eroded since the 50's back in the direction of late 1800's peasanthood, but I digress). Before Marx and socialism there was no 8 hour work day, there was no vacation, there was no occupational safety, there was no 40 hour week, there was no minimum wage, there was no pension or retirement. Workers fought tooth and nail for each one of these things for decades before you were born with it, and people like you have been raised so misinformed as to want to throw it away for "muh capitalism".

Gotta love how he posits marxism WHILE espousing national socialist undertones. The irony of starting this rant with a call out to God, while being a godless heathen is also noted.

It's like he doesn't even understand the premise of the words he's mish-mashing.

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God it must be nice to have such a simplistic worldview. You think our quality of life came from capitalism? We aren't even fucking capitalist, we are a mixed market, just like everyone else. Our standard of living is higher because we are a wealthier nation. We are a wealthy nation because of strong civic & cultural traits, all the events over the last 500 years, imperialism, and a combination of state interventionist economics and public institutions that protect our quality of life. We are free market to the extent that private parties are free to exchange goods and services and people can establish free enterprise, but beyond that we have always been interventionist, with the government selectively cultivating, protecting, and expanding certain industries through laws. Sometimes because of corruption, sometimes because of public will.

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Do you know what this is? Thousands of people marching for an 8 hour work day in 1900. Motivated by socialist ideas, people like this helped us transition from Chinese capitalism and syndicalism to the mixed market we have today (which has been terribly eroded since the 50's back in the direction of late 1800's peasanthood, but I digress). Before Marx and socialism there was no 8 hour work day, there was no vacation, there was no occupational safety, there was no 40 hour week, there was no minimum wage, there was no pension or retirement. Workers fought tooth and nail for each one of these things for decades before you were born with it, and people like you have been raised so misinformed as to want to throw it away for "muh capitalism".

pretty accurate

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there was no 8 hour work day, there was no vacation, there was no occupational safety, there was no 40 hour week, there was no minimum wage, there was no pension or retirement. Workers fought tooth and nail for each one of these things for decades before you were born with it, and people like you have been raised so misinformed as to want to throw it away for "muh capitalism".

You left out the best (worst) bit, if workers had the gall to do something like go on strike, the owners would call their buddies in the statehouse to send out soldiers to shoot the strikers. The "Good old days" weren't so good. Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God it must be nice to have such a simplistic worldview. You think our quality of life came from capitalism? We aren't even fucking capitalist, we are a mixed market, just like everyone else. Our standard of living is higher because we are a wealthier nation. We are a wealthy nation because of strong civic & cultural traits, all the events over the last 500 years, imperialism, and a combination of state interventionist economics and public institutions that protect our quality of life. We are free market to the extent that private parties are free to exchange goods and services and people can establish free enterprise, but beyond that we have always been interventionist, with the government selectively cultivating, protecting, and expanding certain industries through laws. Sometimes because of corruption, sometimes because of public will.

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Do you know what this is? Thousands of people marching for an 8 hour work day in 1900. Motivated by socialist ideas, people like this helped us transition from Chinese capitalism and syndicalism to the mixed market we have today (which has been terribly eroded since the 50's back in the direction of late 1800's peasanthood, but I digress). Before Marx and socialism there was no 8 hour work day, there was no vacation, there was no occupational safety, there was no 40 hour week, there was no minimum wage, there was no pension or retirement. Workers fought tooth and nail for each one of these things for decades before you were born with it, and people like you have been raised so misinformed as to want to throw it away for "muh capitalism".

So you’re saying whites are the superior race. I guess that makes sense why socialism only works in predominantly white countries.

Thank you for your insights.

[Swish]

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