Best solo melee class?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you experimented with just using the gauntlets and casting Spook the Dead instead of clicking the boots? Much shorter cast time and only 10 mana. With a five-second difference in cast time, you could med the mana back after each kill and come out ahead, even without a FT item.

Yes, I do this already in HS. I had Spook the Dead on bar.

The point was to show you can do it with Blood Ember Boots too and still end with 100% HP and Mana.

Some posters like Cecily seem to think clicky cast times are a major problem, but they generally aren't, even at 7 seconds.

I have FT1 and FT2, and I still use blood ember boots to save mana. Not all targets are undead. Blood Ember Boots save you 40 mana on a live target. So even if you don't want to use them on undead, this strategy works just fine on live mobs.

And yes, you can med a tick between pulls. But unless you are counting server ticks, you may end up waiting 5 seconds for the next server tick anyway.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you experimented with just using the gauntlets and casting Spook the Dead instead of clicking the boots? Much shorter cast time and only 10 mana. With a five-second difference in cast time, you could med the mana back after each kill and come out ahead, even without a FT item.

I could usually go 2+ hours before needing a med break on my sk in HS. Slam/epic is extremely helpful in close quarters fear kiting. I typically always used spook for undead, and boots for the live mobs. I would also use dooming to lead depending on positioning and how slow I needed the mob to be. But once at around 50% engulfing was always plenty slow to finish the job. As demonstrated in this thread, the epic is extremely good at mitigating damage due to the life tap proc. I would usually proc epic then switch to great spear of dawn and go back and forth balancing tanking and fear kiting.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could usually go 2+ hours before needing a med break on my sk in HS. Slam/epic is extremely helpful in close quarters fear kiting. I typically always used spook for undead, and boots for the live mobs. I would also use dooming to lead depending on positioning and how slow I needed the mob to be. But once at around 50% engulfing was always plenty slow to finish the job. As demonstrated in this thread, the epic is extremely good at mitigating damage due to the life tap proc. I would usually proc epic then switch to great spear of dawn and go back and forth balancing tanking and fear kiting.

Yeah this basically what I do as well. The main difference is I probably use Dooming less. I use it for the first mob I kill on ramp sometimes since I have less runway, but I mostly just use gloves. Also I don't have a great spear for swap.

If you are killing the mobs on the North ramp, usually engulfing darkness is good enough, even above 50%:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjWT9dj2uI

But I'd certainly use Dooming in other areas if the runway is too small.

[Cecily]

Maybe I'll record 30 mins running of farming Crushbone with a Vulak Axe to demonstrate how clickies are unnecessary.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I'll record 30 mins running of farming Crushbone with a Vulak Axe to demonstrate how clickies are unnecessary.

Clearly Howling Stones is just as easy as Crushbone. Your game knowledge is truly impressive!

You could record your Ranger and show us why you think you are correct about clickies. But then you would open yourself up to critisism of your playstyle. Your ego probably wouldn't allow that.

I've proven you wrong with multiple videos now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGMz5gpf_EY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjWT9dj2uI

People can decide who is more credible:

1. Cecily, who leveled 3 Rangers to 60 and still goes OOM in XP groups due to a lack of mana management knowledge.

2. Factual videos.

There's nothing wrong with not knowing something. It is ok to admit you are wrong from time to time, and learn from others.

I am not trying to be mean here. From what I have seen you simply have a pattern of using the argument from authority fallacy. It is great that you have leveled 3 Rangers to 60. You know more about Rangers than I do. But that doesn't mean you know everything, and are unable to learn from others.

[Cecily]

I don't get what you're saying. A Vulak Axe would work just as well in Splitpaw with no clickies needed either.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get what you're saying. A Vulak Axe would work just as well in Splitpaw with no clickies needed either.

Your sarcasm doesn't hurt my argument, or help yours.

Thanks for showing you cannot rebut my arguments!

[Cecily]

I've known a lot of ogre roleplayers over the years. What your interpretation of an ogre wiseman lacks in humor it makes up with authenticity.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've known a lot of ogre roleplayers over the years. What your interpretation of an ogre wiseman lacks in humor it makes up with authenticity.

Thank you for continuing to prove that you cannot rebut my arguments. Insults, sarcasm, and fallacies are all you have left.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't have mana recovery, those cheap spells will eventually tank your mana and the recovery is bad.

You agree with me that even cheap spells eventually drain your mana. I showed that you can use your snare clickie (Tolan Gloves, Woven Bark Earring, or Woushi Shield) to save mana. Spending zero mana is a great way to save it:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=428

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you suggest spending 8 seconds on an incoming mob to get agro similar to 10 mana? Yeah that sounds awful. Stop giving advice.

When you suggested 4 second cast times were too long (the 8 seconds Cecily is referencing is two clicks of a 4 second cast time clickie), I showed you that I can consistently use 5 second and 7 second clickies to save mana, while also maintaining my HP:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=543

The interesting thing about your two comments is they contradict themselves. On the one hand you say cheap spells drain your mana, while simultaneously scoff at saving mana by not spending it.

Hopefully one day you will decide to move past your pride and try new things. You might just end up lasting longer than 86 minutes before needing a med break in XP groups.

[Ephirith]

DSM in 2025, favoring sustained output over max mana:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you a question. Do you always meditate back to full mana before starting a new encounter, or do you sometimes start a new encounter under 100% mana?

If you generally start a new encounter at say 2000/2400 mana, you are not using 400 of your max mana that is from gear in each of those encounters.

Max mana is good when you are starting an encounter at max mana, let's say a solo artist challenge. You can cast more spells in a short period before OOM.

This is true across all classes. You don't need 3 60 Rangers to understand this.

On my SK I don't wait until 100% mana to start fighting a new mob in a group when I am tanking and/or pulling.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixing the group's issues is more efficient than stacking max mana.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Max mana should be a lower priority for sure. When trying to maximize kills per hour, you generally aren't meditating to full mana before the next kill, so extra max mana is often unused.

DSM in 2023, favoring max mana over sustained output:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you may have forgotten we are talking about SKs.

SKs don't need to worry about gating mobs, they have fear and snare. This can be used in both solo and group scenarios. Both of these spells use mana (INT), and Iksars do not have access to Blood Ember Clickies. Preventing a mob from gating completely is much more effective than slightly faster kill speeds. If you are doing a solo challenge mob that is immune to fear, that is one of the situations where the INT comes in handy! You are going to be using your full mana bar for that kind of fight, including the +20 INT from starting stats.

In a raid you have full access to buffs, which means you are STR capped anyway. You are getting +135 STR from Maniacal Strength and Focus of Spirit, which means you only need 120 STR before buffs. You simply need +40 STR from your gear on an Iksar SK if you put your starting stats into INT. I would be amazed if a level 60 melee class had less than +40 STR from gear. Please do not try and use the argument that asking for Maniacal strength is some kind of burden on Shamans lol. I have raid buffed for years, and never had an issue with buffing people with DEX and STR in addition to FoS and STA.

You are massively overestimating the small benefits you are getting from +20 STR via starting stats. Please stop telling people they are getting massive gains. This is simply false. I have provided plenty of counter evidence thus far, which you have yet to refute.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using your analogy, INT is constantly having a 16 gallon tank. STR is having a small 1 gallon attachment to your 15 gallon tank that occasionally falls off.

Would you prefer a 16 gallon tank, or a 15 gallon tank with a 1 gallon attachment that sometimes falls off?

When you are stat capped, you get nothing.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

INT is always helping.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have shown that there are going to be a lot of scenarios in which a 4-5% DPS boost is not going to give you any more kills per hour.

Blah blah blah

Yes I remember this thread because it was where I finally got triggered and butthurt enough to put him on ignore on my old account.

He's at it again!

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+20 STR to smash your keyboard and ensure that you don't waste time replying to DSM threads.
+20 STA to have the endurance required to keep up with DSM threads
+20 DEX to type replies more quickly in DSM threads
+20 INT to come up with stronger arguments in DSM threads
+20 WIS to understand from the get-go that you shouldn't even bother responding to DSM threads
+20 CHA to post better memes and gifs in DSM threads

Typical DSM M.O, pick some absurd, reductionist position that completely misses the forest for the trees and plant your feet for 60 pages. The positions don't even have to be logically consistent with each other across threads! I thought about doing a Clear argues with Clear but it's too much effort.

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