Multi questing still going strong... so says the economy?

[Happyfeet]

Originally Posted by Kratzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rolling dice is luck? Should even out?!?!?

Okay let me regale you with an experience from back in my live days:::

Paladin lvl 65 killed frenzy..... hmmm...... not exaggeratting at least 150 times. Rolled on every one. NEVER got an FBSS...... That sound even'd out to you?
I always loved when you replace one person with a new one, then the next spawn is frenzy, they roll and win, and ta da now they have to camp....

So everyone putting in equal time in camps is also BS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

[Splorf22]

IMO "need" groups are far more greedy than "greed" groups. After all, the guy claiming need is the one who is demanding the item simply because of a few flags on which race/class can use it.

Of course I don't usually roll on MQs but if a RBG drops I'm definitely getting out my dice.

NBG/G seems to be one of those things people just have strong visceral feelings about.

[Teddie1056]

Greed puts everyone on an even playing field for groups.

Also, I don't know where people get this idea of a Utopian Norrath back in 2000 (I say 2000 because that is where we are on the timeline). I remember every PuG being Greed unless otherwise specified on the Xev server. Sure, we didn't usually MQ stuff as much, but that was because we were much less sure of which items were MQable. This information wasn't readily out there.

If I was in a PuG and a pipe dropped, I would probably pass on it, but I can't promise anything. I care more about making my guild strong than gear at this point, so I'd want it for a guildy. Let's just assume I do pass on it, I wouldn't disapprove of anyone else rolling on it.

[Lazortag]

I'd normally be against MQing because, as a Bard, it would be a lot easier for me to get trak gut rots if extras weren't able to be looted for MQing purposes, but that's how it was in classic and I accept that. There are lots of situations where being able to MQ quest items is a positive thing. What if a pipe drops in a chardok group and no monk is there to loot it? Would you rather the pipe rot? I think it's good that you can loot one for a friend or sell it to a willing buyer who doesn't want to waste their time camping it. Most of the time it makes items more accessible than if MQing weren't possible.

Although it seems like this thread is more about NBG more than it's about whether multiquesting should be allowed.

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd normally be against MQing because, as a Bard, it would be a lot easier for me to get trak gut rots if extras weren't able to be looted for MQing purposes, but that's how it was in classic and I accept that. There are lots of situations where being able to MQ quest items is a positive thing. What if a pipe drops in a chardok group and no monk is there to loot it? Would you rather the pipe rot? I think it's good that you can loot one for a friend or sell it to a willing buyer who doesn't want to waste their time camping it. Most of the time it makes items more accessible than if MQing weren't possible.

Although it seems like this thread is more about NBG more than it's about whether multiquesting should be allowed.

That's not what I intended, nor did I make it seem that way. Others however twisted it into an debate on NBG.

MQng was Sony saying 'Hi there, we realize some stuff is too hard for more casual players to obtain, so what we've done is introduce multiquesting; items are still no drop and therefore cannot be traded, but with your new innovative system, you can still get your stuff without actually put any effort into achieving it. I know you first era players spent all that time and effort doing it legit, but we have to throw a bone to the EQ players that have a social life."

It's one of those 'classic era' features we could of(and had the power to) do without.

As for the NBG comments, some of you are really void... 90% of all drops, sans anything highly valuable, are offered as NBG. Just because you view the 2k pp item as 'trash' doesn't mean the others don't see it as NBG, and the druid who is in the group can actually use it - to which everyone else says 'man if you need it, take it!'

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MQng was Sony saying 'Hi there, we realize some stuff is too hard for more casual players to obtain, so what we've done is introduce multiquesting; items are still no drop and therefore cannot be traded, but with your new innovative system, you can still get your stuff without actually put any effort into achieving it. I know you first era players spent all that time and effort doing it legit, but we have to throw a bone to the EQ players that have a social life."

I'm not sure this is accurate.
EDIT: ninja'd

Classic.

[August]

I hate this debate so, so much.

I'm tired of reading about it. I hate it so much, that I won't even post how I feel about it.

[Nordenwatch]

you will have good rolls and bad rolls, but if the dice are truly random it should even out in the end. you will win some rolls and lose some... paladins are really shitty at rolling though, theres your issue

[Nordenwatch]

I personally think quest items are different, for monk pipes i've never rolled on a pipe a monk in the group has actually needed.

even in non-NBG groups i'd still give quest items to the person who needed it.

[Splorf22]

One of my first crypt groups, I rolled on a rod of mourning and won. The paladin flipped out. Not more than 5 minutes later, I had traded it for a Hiero cloak (probably the single best enchanter item in the game at the time). The reality is everyone needs gear, and pure greed rolls are simply fair in the long run (well unless you go 0-20 on fungi tunics like me).

To me NBG is just this entitled attitude that everyone else exists for my benefit. If you want NBG, get some friends and get them to come down with you to the camp, or otherwise make sure that everyone knows the drill beforehand.