Hoppy Easter

[Ektar]

holy crap. I'm at work so I got a GIANT monitor. like, you wouldn't understand. longer than my... but I'll stop there.


Anyway, that last post right there? giant. Giant on a giant monitor. I love philosophical debate of god etc but I can't. I just can't.
I mean. Tracking the next line from the right side of the screen to the left is so hard. I just. I can't.

[ArkhamCifre]

lol...always good to kill Nazis.
Ok Hasbinbad...how about this...I'm an Agnostic Heretic?
Agnostic in that I don't know if there are "gods" or not.
Heretic in that if they do exist then I don't believe that it's right to worship them and would revolt against it?
I don't believe that any being no matter their power has the innate right to be worshiped or to any other adoration/submittal solely on the basis of that power?

[ArkhamCifre]

Hasbinbad:"I don't care what YOU believe, but when atheists speak with certainty about their belief, they are lying, because they honestly don't know shit"

A few things here.
So if anyone says anything about any belief that has not been scientificaly verified they are liars? They cannot simply be wrong? Or maybe they are simply going on the "best estimate" they can make with the information they have ..no,no they are liars.

Some people, as hard as it may seem, having the exact same set of data can come to differing conclusions.
I heard somewhere that this has actualy happened in science.
So, a person who having thought it over. Having looked at all the data they have collected over their lives and seeing no evidence for the existence of Divine Powers chooses to live their life according to that interpretation (which is what all knowledge is isn't it? An interpretation of that data availabe?) is a liar if they at any time stated that belief in any form for others to hear or see? They cannot simply be wrong. Or ,there is no way that they perhaps feel that it's best for them, in their lifes framework, to choose a stand on a subject that isn't realy verifiable but nonetheless a cornerstone of human culture? No, I forgot they are liars.
So, if i took a test and someone asked me how I did and I said "I think(believe) I did well" and it turned out I failed..I'm not sadly mistaken, I am a liar. I see how this works.
That is how you kill any and all ideas that you don't like.

[Ektar]

So yeah. I've induced that religion is merely a tool of rationalizing the universe. People must always be able to understand how sometime happens - whether it be the actual way or not. A very good example is that IB gets a lot of raid mobs, so they must have a linux packet sniffing box to tell them when a mob will spawn (lol see what I did there). This is a rationalization of the universe in that it gives an explanation to that which could not be explained.


This is what religion has done all throughout the history of mankind.

What causes a hurricane?
Before Science: "WE ARE BEING PUNISHED BY THE GODS"
After Science: "Area of low pressure which begins to rotate due to the coriolis effect picks up moisture yada yada yada"

Where do babies come from?
You get the point yeah.


The biggest question being, of course, the, uh, big question. Meaning of life, the creation the end, all that.

Just like the mysterious hurricane was later discovered to have a grounded cause, so do I conjecture that the creation of the universe, what is beyond the universe, what is the end of time, ... , can be explained in a likewise grounded fashion. Whether it is a matter of time for science to discover this or it's completely beyond the maximum potential of science is irrelevant.


So relating back to the current discussion which yes, I still have skipped that last post =p. Refer back to my veeeery first thing up there (not so yeah): I induce. I've taken non conclusive evidence to form a theory. I am quite aware of the problems, such as hurricanes being explained by science does not imply, by any means, that another "at one time" unexplainable event can later be explained. I openly say I, beyond am not, cannot be sure.

I still think I'm atheist, no?

[ArkhamCifre]

I like your point Ektar. Being atheist does not imply that you claim to KNOW. It is the belief that you feel fits best. You do not believe in gods becuase you see no evidence. Could you be wrong? Of course. This does not imho make you agnostic. It makes you realistic. You can always be wrong on anything. But that's no reason to not have opinons about things that you feel you have seen enough to judge. I can not believe something is going to happen and still be realistic enough to know that I don't know absolutely it won't happen.

And that every thing can be explained given sufficient knowledge..in other words nothing is SUPERnatural. Nothing is beyond reality. Even if we can't see that far ourselves. That has been my point. What if Zues was real? What if he came down and said worship me. Would you? Why, because he's more powerful than you? Becuase you owe him a debt? Because you're supposed to?

[ArkhamCifre]

If you want a fuller view of atheism I recommend the Wikipaedia article- in particular the etymology. This gives great detail on the word from ancient Greek origins till now and the fights over just what it means. It has been used in so many ways that it has a big umbrella under which I know I fit. I'd say read the origins of the word, the changes it has undergone, the meanings it has and decide for yourself if it fits you or not. Not what someone else tells you words or beliefs mean.

[Hasbinbad]

lol dude.. your blatant lack of respect for the language you're choosing to communicate in prevents me from talking to you any further.

I read your rhetoric, i'm just not going to address a single thing you said.. ..very much like you did to me, but with completely different intent
.
I took your points and directly addressed them. You loosely quoted things I said and went off on crazy tangents.

You sir, have below average intelligence and poor penmanship.

[ooantipostoo]

I also find this very offensive, what were you trying to get out of this? Why are you so ignorant you need to take a shot at someones religious beliefs ? Instead you would rather post something without even having respect for others. This shows that your low life scum and care about no one but yourself. Lost all my respect with this one.

--This is my last response to this subject and will not acknowledge any replays.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also find this very offensive

I find priests touching little boys offensive, that doesn't stop them.

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what were you trying to get out of this?

Nothing.

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you so ignorant you need to take a shot at someones religious beliefs ?

I didn't. Read my posts carefully instead of skimming them and assuming you know what I'm talking about. I never said a single bad thing about any religion, only the people in religions.

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead you would rather post something without even having respect for others.

My respect for people in general is very low, based on 31 years of experience dealing with an extremely diverse cross section of Americans. Can it be any other way to a thoughtful person?

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This shows that your low life scum and care about no one but yourself.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but again, I think that this sentiment is based on what you assumed I wrote, rather than what I actually wrote. If you would take a moment and get rid of your ignorance on the subject, I think you could clearly see that.

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lost all my respect with this one.

Good. I would rather not be esteemed by those who make snap judgments based on ignorance.

Originally Posted by ooantipostoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

--This is my last response to this subject and will not acknowledge any replays.

Soo, insult me a bunch of times and then hide because you know you wouldn't stand a chance in an actual exchange of ideas with me..
Great hit and run tactics, coward.

[ooantipostoo]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find priests touching little boys offensive, that doesn't stop them.

Nothing.

I didn't. Read my posts carefully instead of skimming them and assuming you know what I'm talking about. I never said a single bad thing about any religion, only the people in religions.

My respect for people in general is very low, based on 31 years of experience dealing with an extremely diverse cross section of Americans. Can it be any other way to a thoughtful person?

I'm sorry you feel that way, but again, I think that this sentiment is based on what you assumed I wrote, rather than what I actually wrote. If you would take a moment and get rid of your ignorance on the subject, I think you could clearly see that.

Good. I would rather not be esteemed by those who make snap judgments based on ignorance.

Soo, insult me a bunch of times and then hide because you know you wouldn't stand a chance in an actual exchange of ideas with me..
Great hit and run tactics, coward.

First off the picture it self with the quote under it was sacrilegious (to some), Thus I stand by what I said.

Second I'm sorry you generalize Americans because your surrounded by "extremely diverse cross section of Americans". It is your choice on who you surround yourself with, maybe you attract these "people" with your always negitive views of everything?

I am no coward, Id just rather not bring religion into a game when i'm here to have fun. That being said I just would rather not have this kind of stuff brought up. I know everyone has there own view of things and I respect that completely. I just felt you were attacking a certain group of people and no one deserves that.