Spells: Selos Issue - Page 4

astuce999 · #1 12-12-2011, 12:26 PM

Technically selo's didn't overwrite root, it just superseded it if it was applied after root was already in effect, but if you let selo's fade, and root was still in effect, it would re-root you in place.

Time and time again, the overwhelming argument for anything on here has been "is it classic?"

One blatant example would be the Terror Forged Mask, an item that was nerfed retro-actively in kunark because it was acknowledged that it was never intended for it to have a lich-type effect, but instead was supposed to be a fear. This has a million times more impact that selo's superseding root, yet was included to make it a classic feel.

cheers

'stuce

Lazortag · #2 12-12-2011, 01:16 PM

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why are bards constantly getting non-classic nerfs while everyone else bitches about everything staying classic, including keeping in the even more unbalanced items? It isn't like bards can really kill anyone -- they usually survive most fights, but they can't really kill anyone either. Especially with the damn zone plug, we kill so incredibly slow, everyone just plugs bards.

Are you trolling?

Maybe they'll fix the "nerfs" when they fix the unbelievably overpowered AE mez? All of this was already addressed in the other thread. The bugs forum isn't for you to cry about how underpowered your class is. Learn to adapt.

And yes, Bards can kill people (even solo). I have no idea where the idea that they can't comes from.

xblade724 · #3 12-13-2011, 08:42 AM

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Are you trolling?

Maybe they'll fix the "nerfs" when they fix the unbelievably overpowered AE mez? All of this was already addressed in the other thread. The bugs forum isn't for you to cry about how underpowered your class is. Learn to adapt.

And yes, Bards can kill people (even solo). I have no idea where the idea that they can't comes from.

A mage the other day sent his lvl 12 spell earth pet on me as I'm level 13 bard. The pet 1v1 me while I'm fully geared, fully prepared. The mage pet destroyed me without a chance. Couldnt run because i'm perma rooted and didn't have a chance against even the pet because he's OP. That damn lvl 12 mage pet is more powerful than my entire class itself! The mage literally just sat there and meditated - didn't need to cast one spell. Wtf? Expecting a "l2play", but shit seriously. Full hp and fully aware and lost--no--dominated.

Albane · #4 12-13-2011, 12:07 PM

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A mage the other day sent his lvl 12 spell earth pet on me as I'm level 13 bard. The pet 1v1 me while I'm fully geared, fully prepared. The mage pet destroyed me without a chance. Couldnt run because i'm perma rooted and didn't have a chance against even the pet because he's OP. That damn lvl 12 mage pet is more powerful than my entire class itself! The mage literally just sat there and meditated - didn't need to cast one spell. Wtf? Expecting a "l2play", but shit seriously. Full hp and fully aware and lost--no--dominated.

It gets better as you get higher in levels. But bards are really weak compared to our counterparts back in 1999. Our 3 best abilities for PvP have been completely nerfed.

1. Single target mez with a pull, not barely stuns a player, not giving us time to take advantage of MR debuff.
2. Bellow knocking player back giving us a high chance to interrupt casters when combined with our melee.
3. Selo's breaking root/snare, allowing us to stay on casters and away from people beating our soft asses down.

Had I known that these 3 abilities were going to be nerfed, I would have did like 80% of the server and rolled a druid, mage, or necro.

Lazortag · #5 12-13-2011, 02:13 PM

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It gets better as you get higher in levels. But bards are really weak compared to our counterparts back in 1999. Our 3 best abilities for PvP have been completely nerfed.

1. Single target mez with a pull, not barely stuns a player, not giving us time to take advantage of MR debuff.
2. Bellow knocking player back giving us a high chance to interrupt casters when combined with our melee.
3. Selo's breaking root/snare, allowing us to stay on casters and away from people beating our soft asses down.

I don't understand the first part. What are you even talking about? Mez push? Crission's pixie strike does push and does more than just stun (it mezzes a target for about 18 seconds), and yes it does debuff MR. If someone breaks mez with a dot, well... that's classic.

The second ability has already been addressed thoroughly in another thread. Also, mez interrupts spells too. Just saying.

The third ability isn't that gamebreaking at all. Past level 22 you get a self dispell, plus selo's doesn't work in dungeons, and also in classic root/snare almost never landed at high levels.

I think that having a ridiculously overpowered AE mez is better than having the latter two abilities. If anything Bards are more powerful in pvp on this server.

edited to be nicer.

Truth · #6 12-13-2011, 03:26 PM

Wolfram is trolling. Self dispell at 22 is not the same as classic selos, not even close and to make the comparison is disingenuous. You need to equip a lute to cast it, it hits your entire group pissing off the shaman (see if he heals you now), and even then you just wasted 6 seconds (9 seconds if you shadowstep first) to reapply selos which could have just pulsed. By then the wiz you're fighting or even worse mage root pet has already recasted root and you gotta repeat process etc. Man havent we already been over this.

Furthermore, outside of like charming a guard and sending it on bardsnared target or chant/shuriken kiting a pure melee 1v1 (aka very limited circumstances), bards had practically 0 offensive capability in comparison to other classes (aka 2 ice comets to the dome while you're hitting for 12s). So don't let Wolfram fool you into thinking he's some big bad solo bard pk when we all know bards are not pk's til Luclin++ just an essential support role (read: selos bitch bot).

Softcore PK · #7 12-13-2011, 03:48 PM

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Wolfram is trolling. Self dispell at 22 is not the same as classic selos, not even close and to make the comparison is disingenuous. You need to equip a lute to cast it, it hits your entire group pissing off the shaman (see if he heals you now), and even then you just wasted 6 seconds (9 seconds if you shadowstep first) to reapply selos which could have just pulsed. By then the wiz you're fighting or even worse mage root pet has already recasted root and you gotta repeat process etc. Man havent we already been over this.

Furthermore, outside of like charming a guard and sending it on bardsnared target (aka very limited circumstances), bards had practically 0 offensive capability in comparison to other classes (aka 2 ice comets to the dome while you're hitting for 12s). So don't let Wolfram fool you into thinking he's some big bad solo bard pk when we all know bards are not pk's til Luclin++ just an essential support role (read: selos bitch bot).

Why does he have to be trolling because he has a different opinion than you?

Bards are the most mobile class in the game, and even without selo's breaking snare/root they are the best at dispelling the effects. Equipping an instrument is not a hassle if you're a decent bard, and if you're in a group you can pumice. You can pumice better than any other class, actually :S

If those poor people that play melee classes saw this, they'd be really sad. Is that what you want, Senjuju? To make the rogues sad?

Slave · #8 12-13-2011, 04:03 PM

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even without selo's breaking snare/root they are the best at dispelling the effects.

Wrong. Bards do not get Channeling.

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Bards can pumice better than any other class, actually :S

Wrong. Bards do NOT get Channeling.

Truth · #9 12-13-2011, 04:03 PM

He's trolling because he realizes in a situation where you're getting shit on by mage bolts while the pet chain roots you that particular dispell is all but worthless.

Also, as per the swapping instruments, you then have to swap back to your drum. It's a major hassle especially in chaotic circumstances and comparing the two is def. troll.

Softcore PK · #10 12-13-2011, 04:13 PM

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He's trolling because he realizes in a situation where you're getting shit on by mage bolts while the pet chain roots you that particular dispell is all but worthless.

Also, as per the swapping instruments, you then have to swap back to your drum. It's a major hassle especially in chaotic circumstances and comparing the two is def. troll.

So you're saying bards need an upgrade because there is one situation where they may find themselves rooted in place like other classes? And even in that one situation, with mr songs, fear and shadow step I'd say bards are pretty okay at handling it.

And bards are too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] for channeling.