Epics Reworked

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogue epic...a mask would have been the obvious alternative, but with what effect?

Illusion: High Elf would draw zero roguely suspishies.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cleric Epic Clicky effect aside, wielding a ball-and-chain flail implied the class would be transformed into a battle cleric which wasn't the case. To match the class icon, instead of that, a primary/secondary 1HB censer that would have doubled as a small 2-slot container allowing the wielder to place various alchemy mats inside, each with a different groupwide buff.

Since it's called a water sprinkler I always thought it was supposed to be more of a Thurible

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Illusion: High Elf would draw zero roguely suspishies.

The devs were on(to) something with the Skinned Halfling Face Mask and being able to assume the identity of another...

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[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since it's called a water sprinkler I always thought it was supposed to be more of a Thurible

Never thought to look up the name but apparently it existed? Just not in the form presented in EQ.

https://royalarmouries.org/collectio...ct/object-3295
https://www.reddit.com/r/mallninjash..._once_carried/

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[cd288]

Thats pretty funny

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it seems like weapons were the default choice because of the paladin epic. It being the first and swords like Excalibur being associated with holy knights...makes sense, however limiting. If not weapons though, than what?

Again, cleric epic could have been a censer with 1-2 container slots for alchemy mats. It could have done little to no damage, so Bowl of Watery Protection or Sorcerous Bowl, but provided a groupwide buff. Either that or maybe a collection plate? With the wielder placing coins into it to maintain a passive effect.

Shaman epic could have been a dreamcatcher equipable in primary, secondary, ranged, neck slot...with the effect being? Only other item that comes to mind would be a medicine bag upgrade, granting shaman the ability to forage alchemy mats.

Bard epic...a tinkered music box? Ranged slot item that could have provided bonuses to songs. So, for example, Purifying Rhythms removing disease/poison counters as it did briefly in classic. Something along those lines.

Paladin epic...a head slot aura that enhanced all worn versions of AOB in group? And provided truesight? With worn effect +SVs, similar to white dragon helm.

Wizard epic...a primary, secondary, waist spellbook that doubled as a container, with certain spells having combo effects if a physical copy of each was placed inside?

Rogue epic...a mask would have been the obvious alternative, but with what effect?

Drawing blanks on other classes and slots.

Perhaps they could have kept it a weapon (which was good at the time), but given folks the option to transform it similar to that Sarnak Hammer or Warrior Epic sheath.

Would allow the weapon to change to a shield for tanking for knights, or a bow for ranger, shawl like item for casters, etc. This could also solve for players not wanting to be boxed into a 'raid utility item' (Enc/Clr epic) but swapping if they are doing group/solo play (Necro epic looking at you)

[Potus]

Originally Posted by druidbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the necro epic, I dunno who thought the duck stick was a good design but how hard would it have been to make it an actual scythe, maybe with some skull particles like the sk epic.

They made it intentionally shitty to fuck with the necro community. The necro forums were filled with people who hated the devs and the devs trolled them back. See the Abashi Rod being necro usable.

Like I cannot overstate how much necros were pissed at the duck staff and that the effect for it was broken for a long time, as was the quest at one point.

Also it's weird that Shaman got Splurt as their clicky effect. Didn't seem to make sense at all.