Let's Put to Rest "Outdoor is/is not FFA" Myths

[QFuzzle]

Originally Posted by sacman08 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On live it was always static spawn points can be camped, roaming or pathing mobs were FFA (Inside/outside didn't matter).

This would make sense and be a very clear line in the sand, buuuut......

[paulgiamatti]

I can't believe it, but I agree with MM for the most part - and I appreciate the ironic use of "cucked". There are plenty of sane, rational ways to go about dealing with douchebags and assholes - engaging in FTE/kill stealing wars is not one. My approach would certainly be less friendly than MM's, but probably more honest. I never bother with small infringements like someone sneaking a mob here and there, but if they're hindering my group I'll simply request that they please stop taking our mobs (using /tells, although /ooc drama is pretty entertaining), followed by a petition if it continues. That takes all of two minutes, if you're a slow typer, and your jimmies needn't be rustled.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My approach would certainly be less friendly than MM's

I have no doubt of this ^^





Just kidding! Oh come on Paul, don't be such a sourpuss ^^ My approach generally results with a friendship and the interests of my group intact. Yours results in suboptimal conditions for your group and am enemy :c Do not be so eager to view everyone as your oppressor, you are a tough guy!! I promise you, do this ome thing and you'll find more enjoyment in people and situations than you ever thought possible ^.~v

[paulgiamatti]

I doubt that as much as I doubt your honesty - which is quite a bit, by the way. I can't remember the last time I clicked "View Post" next to your name without feeling a pang of brow-furrowed skepticism afterward.

I have no issues making friends in game, and treating assholes like assholes instead of killing them with kindness isn't just better for my sanity, it's better for the entire server.

[Ikon]

AFAIK you can't camp the entire fort even if you can pull and kill every mob. You need to be sitting in front of the spawn which is pretty much impossible to do with a group to "claim" that spawn.

Another person or group can come and take some of the repops if they can tag them first. I'm pretty sure its part of the "you can camp two spawns but if someone comes in you need to choose which spawn you want and concede the other". That applies even if you can keep both spawns (or more) cleared.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I doubt that as much as I doubt your honesty - which is quite a bit, by the way. I can't remember the last time I clicked "View Post" next to your name without feeling a pang of brow-furrowed skepticism afterward.

Well ty for still giving me the opportunity despite your reservations and I hope that one day I am able to make you happier for it ^^

I have no issues making friends in game,

I don't doubt that you do ^^ You seem like the kind of guy who would randomly power level newbies in CB :3

and treating assholes like assholes instead of killing them with kindness isn't just better for my sanity, it's better for the entire server.

I actually agree with this ^^ I just don't consider near!y as many people assholes as I once did ^^ They're just different ^∆^

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFAIK you can't camp the entire fort even if you can pull and kill every mob. You need to be sitting in front of the spawn which is pretty much impossible to do with a group to "claim" that spawn.

You can, but as stated in the arbitration guidelines anyone is welcome to contest camps, at which point vicinity to spawn points becomes a factor. If you enter the giant fort and literally every single mob is down, and a group is efficiently pulling them as they spawn, sniping those spawns makes you an asshole. Contesting means talking with the people there - there's no excuse not to do this.

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another person or group can come and take some of the repops if they can tag them first. I'm pretty sure its part of the "you can camp two spawns but if someone comes in you need to choose which spawn you want and concede the other". That applies even if you can keep both spawns (or more) cleared.

Correct, but there's a reason why this isn't written out as a rule and only delineated in private by GMs (assuming it even still is) - every camp and every situation is different. If the group in the fort decides to take a break and mobs start repopping, those mobs are now uncontested. If the person camping sisters in Lesser Faydark goes AFK and his mobs respawn, he has effectively forfeited his camp. If the person camping sisters is instantly FTEing each spawn, you would have to be a massive, toxic piece of shit to go sit on those spawn points and try to tag FTE before he does. Even more so if you do it without even attempting to communicate with the camp holder, who might've been gracious enough to give you one, or who might've been leaving soon, etc.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the person camping sisters is instantly FTEing each spawn, you would have to be a massive, toxic piece of shit to go sit on those spawn points and try to tag FTE before he does. Even more so if you do it without even attempting to communicate with the camp holder, who might've been gracious enough to give you one, or who might've been leaving soon, etc.

Speaking as the person that has been camping sisters (with no real need of the plat, but exp plus pp? Why not). And had randos run up and start sniping without saying anything. And then randos come up and ask how long I'll be etc. I tend to get aggressive with the snipers and make sure to engage all spawns and lock them out if I can. Even asking everyone on my friends list if they have an alt they would like to bring just make the snipers day even worse. Whereas the person that asks how long I'll be, I usually end up logging to my main after my current pull and/or duoing with them.

I don't know, I find being an asshole to me tends to make me an asshole towards you. And being polite to me will make me polite towards you. Seems to me that I'm not the only one that behaves this way. Figured this shit out when I was like six and started being respectful to others. Just waiting for lots of p99 players to figure it out too.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do not be so eager to view everyone as your oppressor, you are a tough guy!! I promise you, do this ome thing and you'll find more enjoyment in people and situations than you ever thought possible ^.~v

This brought tears to my eyes, Paul doesn't realize how lucky he is to have a forumfriend like MM. To think he could even begin to consider the heartfelt messages written by MM as disingenuous appalls me.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can, but as stated in the arbitration guidelines anyone is welcome to contest camps, at which point vicinity to spawn points becomes a factor. If you enter the giant fort and literally every single mob is down, and a group is efficiently pulling them as they spawn, sniping those spawns makes you an asshole. Contesting means talking with the people there - there's no excuse not to do this.



Correct, but there's a reason why this isn't written out as a rule and only delineated in private by GMs (assuming it even still is) - every camp and every situation is different. If the group in the fort decides to take a break and mobs start repopping, those mobs are now uncontested. If the person camping sisters in Lesser Faydark goes AFK and his mobs respawn, he has effectively forfeited his camp. If the person camping sisters is instantly FTEing each spawn, you would have to be a massive, toxic piece of shit to go sit on those spawn points and try to tag FTE before he does. Even more so if you do it without even attempting to communicate with the camp holder, who might've been gracious enough to give you one, or who might've been leaving soon, etc.

Well yeah I usually just assume the being polite about it as a given [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]