Let's Put to Rest "Outdoor is/is not FFA" Myths
 

Twice over this weekend I ran into people who held strongly different beliefs on the topic of mobs that are outdoors and their camp-able status. Irritatingly, I was at the brunt end of both occasions. At one point, a petition was sent out to end the dispute, but the hero never arrived (even though purposeful KS'ing was involved - yikes).

Both instances involved a solo individual challenging a group that was rapidly killing a large number of mobs within an outdoor fort area (BW giant fort, and WW giant fort to be exact).

Taking into considering the Play Nice Policy and having read the "Arbitration / Camps" portion of Rogean's rule post, there appears to not actually be a clear answer to this.

The beliefs consisted of (but weren't limited to):
1) All outdoor mobs are FFA except for a single spawn that's being killed by someone (something like AC would be an example of a highly contested spot that is outdoors and requires a special rule-set to apply to it).
2) If the whole fort/area is being killed proficiently by a group, it's their camp. Not FFA.
3) Certain mobs of the fort are different camps.

There may have been some specific rulings on this matter in the past, but I haven't found them. I'd like to get some clear, definitive, concise GM rulings or posts or something that will clear the air on this topic; something people can point to if there's an issue that people refuse to resolve themselves, and no GM comes to save the day.

Seems pretty clearly laid out to me.

If literally the entire fort is being cleared and mobs are not being left up for more than a few seconds, then for all intents and purposes that is a "camp". If someone waltzes in and starts sniping spawns in the few seconds before the group pulls them, then that person is being a complete asshole and should be petitioned.

And to be clear, waltzing in and sniping spawns isn't "contesting" a camp - it's just being an asshole. Contesting a camp means engaging in dialogue with the players like a reasonable person and expressing that you want some of those mobs if they aren't killing all of them.

OP must be some immature 11 year old idiot

its 2016 dude if u lose one hill giant spawn u dont need to petition the gm's about it

He probably isn't a dwarf Rogue capable of stealing all the pp without breakin a sweat

I'm actually trying to take a higher road by not throwing anybody under the bus with names, screenshots, logs, and video proof (which I have).

I don't think trying to have a more clear understanding of this when there are clearly people who push from both sides of these beliefs is an immature way of handling this.

Just lookin' to keep things from escalating in the future if I can help it.

Ya' see, that's what I thought at first, until some guy rolled up and took some spawns without asking, then claimed he's had GM's side with him on this before and he's always won - yada yada. I have no idea if this guy was telling the truth or not, but he kept those BW giants on lockdown whether my group wanted it or not.

Then I try to go at it with that same perspective as a solo artist against a group with three pullers taking the entire WW fort; and find myself getting KS'ed.

Just help me understand!!

Sounds like that first guy mighta had the wrong idea according to the way you're laying it out.

People like that very rarely have GMs on their side - if someone invokes server rules or GM favor to justify their actions, they're probably doing something shitty and lying to you.

didn't read go outside

Not a bad idea.

You might be right about that..

My group just decided not to fight over it and let him have the mobs.