Necromancer or Enchanter - dungeon charming?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well... slow, torpor, regen buffs, much better AC and defense and dodge and hit points, more resist buffs to deal with casters, cures to deal with casters, slam to deal with casters...

Shamans are innately a lot tougher than a necro, and the spells they have GREATLY multiply the fact that they are already tougher.

Eh, I still think Turgurs is the biggest part. The Necro can chain heal the Emissary for 125/tick, which is lot less than the Shaman (350/tick with fungi/regrowth/troll etc) but the Shaman also has to canni back 100 HP or so to keep torpor up and the Necromancer can use lifetaps to tank a bit here and there, heal the pet directly with Renew Bones, or even just resummon. 650 mana isn't cheap, but that's what Infusion is for. Plus, the Necromancer will finish targets in 5 minutes where a Shaman would need 15.

P.S. Tecmos I've seen a Necromancer handling the South cubby. IIRC it was Raato, and he said he just played like an Enchanter and FDed when Charm broke. Also I remember Necrious saying he soloed his east hat (I forget the name, haven't played in a bit!) though I think that was when VP could make you nonkos. Still, it has to be much easier as an Enchanter. And Velious has virtually no undead . . .

[Llodd]

At this point maybe it's time to just ignore you Tecmos. Because you haven't seen a necro in South or East doesn't mean necro's have never been there. For someone that is trying to repair their reputation (dont care?), casting doubt like this isn't the brightest thing to do.

Raato did it with pet tools, -mr gear, slow weps and cha gear for lulls. I did it with nothing and it was rougher and more deadly for sure, but still possible. The fact that you never saw him there (he was there for ages) or anyone else should lead you to think that it might even be possible several others were too.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What camp can be done by a necro but not an enc?

Interesting question. Not sure, but if there is one then it would atleast have to be a camp with no charmable mobs available.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point maybe it's time to just ignore you Tecmos. Because you haven't seen a necro in South or East doesn't mean necro's have never been there. For someone that is trying to repair their reputation (dont care?), casting doubt like this isn't the brightest thing to do.

Raato did it with pet tools, -mr gear, slow weps and cha gear for lulls. I did it with nothing and it was rougher and more deadly for sure, but still possible. The fact that you never saw him there (he was there for ages) or anyone else should lead you to think that it might even be possible several others were too.

I kinda take it as a compliment to be called a doubting Thomas, actually. And as far as my reputation? Well, I would have done a few things differently over my time on p99 if I were too terribly concerned with it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point maybe it's time to just ignore you Tecmos. Because you haven't seen a necro in South or East doesn't mean necro's have never been there. For someone that is trying to repair their reputation (dont care?), casting doubt like this isn't the brightest thing to do.

Raato did it with pet tools, -mr gear, slow weps and cha gear for lulls. I did it with nothing and it was rougher and more deadly for sure, but still possible. The fact that you never saw him there (he was there for ages) or anyone else should lead you to think that it might even be possible several others were too.

Well let's not forget that in the 1-2 years since he sold Tecmos there have been quite a few changes that helped Necromancers: increased NPC DA/DW checks and decreased cooldown made it possible for the charmed pet to win a fight in a short amount of time, getting items back from pets makes -MR gear more feasible, and Haynar changed the charm code again to make early breaks much less likely. And there are quite some enchanters who farmed that area solo, while only a few Necromancers.

[Tecmos Deception]

I don't doubt that necros can and have done south and east. I've just been repeating that for all the people who post here to say it happens, this is the first time I've seen specific names and I've still never seen a log or screenshot or video to get a better idea of how well it works.

A few people have solod emp but no one goes around posting like it happens fairly often just because 3-4 people have done it in p99's history.

[wwoneo]

Honestly, I'm with Tecmos on this one. I doubt that a necro could do this effectively without repeated deaths and a lot of CRs. It might be doable, but not in any efficient manner. -Brainfreeze level 60 enchanter.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, I'm with Tecmos on this one. I doubt that a necro could do this effectively without repeated deaths and a lot of CRs. It might be doable, but not in any efficient manner. -Brainfreeze level 60 enchanter.

I do feel like it was doable since Kunark release, really. I posted to that effect back during Kunark. It was just that for all the times I've seen people say stuff like "necros are good at fighting undead so they must be strong in HS" or "yeah dude, necros kill nameds in south and east" over the past 3+ years... I'd never seen anyone give a name (let alone screenshots, logs, or videos) until this thread.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well let's not forget that in the 1-2 years since he sold Tecmos there have been quite a few changes that helped Necromancers: increased NPC DA/DW checks and decreased cooldown made it possible for the charmed pet to win a fight in a short amount of time, getting items back from pets makes -MR gear more feasible, and Haynar changed the charm code again to make early breaks much less likely. And there are quite some enchanters who farmed that area solo, while only a few Necromancers.

I think one of the reasons why is peolple don't tend to roll necros with the thought of taking on crazy hard content solo, they go straight to Chanter the king of cc/charm or even shaman (something that the solo thread backs up). Most people that roll necros are looking for easy farm mode.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't doubt that necros can and have done south and east. I've just been repeating that for all the people who post here to say it happens, this is the first time I've seen specific names and I've still never seen a log or screenshot or video to get a better idea of how well it works.

Who are all these people that post here that necros do south and east? As far as I have seen it's only been me (and Teppler in this thread) and I've been here a looong time. Having said that my memory isn't the best.

I freely admit that chanters are better at it in the sense of efficiency, but in the sense of survivability I'd say Necros have the upperhand, so long as they play the charm game with that as their main tactic. Which one classifies it as easiest ? That's rather subjective, but in my mind the latter.

ps From my experience the only chanters I've seen in south and East have been dead ones. What am I to conclude from that! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]