Alternatives to variance to increase competition (veterans and relevant only)

[Musetii]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to further this point, from our friend Derubael:

Lol @ quoting Derubael.

[Genedin]

Originally Posted by Not_Kazowi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Release velious would help competition. More mobs more things to do more guilds.

People need to get over nihilum hate, your guild shouldn't be based on hatred. Focus on yourselves and just play the game..

Several guilds competed against heresy, at the end of the day we were all bros about it

I think this issue does need some work. The only time Nihilum is brought up in teamspeak is in a joking manner or if we think they are about to pvp us. I assure you there are not in-depth discussions about the war crimes and atrocities of Nihilum members on a daily basis that appears to be the consensus in these forums.

[Smedy]

for the love of god lite, let the box die in peace

thats the only fucking way to get a new fresh box

[Rellapse40]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

for the love of god lite, let the box die in peace

thats the only fucking way to get a new fresh box

[mtb tripper]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we should just split our typical 60 man raid force into 2 groups and fight ourselves over loot, only way to get competition.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There can and will never be guild 1a 1b 1c on this server. Everquest was never meant for that. There will only ever be one top guild at any given time due to the nature of Everquest. Once people accept that then this server can have guild #2 and maybe #3 for sustained periods of time.

For example, Taken knows they are not on TMOs level. Yet they accept their tier #2 guild on blue and get what they can and sustain.

Once a guild sets their sights on top guild the guild will either succeed or crumble, there is no in between.

You can't be that stupid. It has always been made clear that noone has any interest on being on the same level as Nihilum, and are perfectly fine with Nihilum getting the high majority of mobs. The current model doesn't allow for anything else.

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Today was a pretty good example of how the fault lies with the competition not the rules. We had mid 20's for CT and wiped a couple of times to trains and people fuckin around. Any force of even 20 people could have shown up and shit on us. There was also mob overlap.

So let a few months of no competition happen so Nihilum's monstrous numbers dwindle a bit, and then attack... take a few months off rinse repeat?

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mobs could have been sniped. Instead the only competing took place on the forums. Perhaps if you created a positive guild built on progression and not on being mad anti nilly haters, you could have done something today.

Sounds pretty simple, perhaps you should give it a go? oh wait.... As you clearly state, it is the ruleset. One guild zerg recruits to victory... nothing has changed, go back to being correct.

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Why is Kergan posting in this thread?

[Mac Drettj]

Why don't you go play a different game?

[Sheriff]

Originally Posted by Mac Drettj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't you go play a different game?

valid point

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Today was a pretty good example of how the fault lies with the competition not the rules. We had mid 20's for CT and wiped a couple of times to trains and people fuckin around. Any force of even 20 people could have shown up and shit on us. There was also mob overlap. Mobs could have been sniped. Instead the only competing took place on the forums. Perhaps if you created a positive guild built on progression and not on being mad anti nilly haters, you could have done something today.

This is a false statement in every way possible. 20 people could show up, in which the 22-25 present would camp out their dead characters, log on any 20-25 of their alts who are still better geared then the 20 coming to contest, and easily wreck the raid before another guild could buff, clear, engage. Not to mention at the slightly sign of contesting a bat phone goes out and that number doubles.

This is precisely why Azrael stopped winning PVP fights. Azrael player for player was better at PVP then Nihilum and the last 2 fights the numbers were close enough. 52-48 or so. But Checkraise dies, Ricardo appears, who dies, Selena appears. Or someone else camps them in. There isn't an end to the number of available 60s at nihilums disposal or people to play them, where as Azrael had to stretcher pretty far to obtain 48 people most of which were playing someone elses character.

Hell just looking at the leaderboard. Server population never crosses 250, yet over 1000 people appear on those boards. Thats why the game is Zerg oriented. Numbers win. Strategy isnt important in 90% of the zones. Nihilum has no shortage of numbers, or people willing to show up / join up.

Tldr = Server wipe, nihilum has too many available, geared 60s for anyone to compete.

[Colgate]

ya nilly got some real sickos like vaporize who have at least half a dozen geared out level 60 characters

when colgate dies in mass pvp i can log on a naked level 57 bard w/ a mistmoore drum l o l