Game Mechanics: Dartain the Lost

[pasi]

As always, I've got more stuff if you need it. For now though, this seems to be sufficient information for not implementing Aegiral's comments.

[Daldaen]

No way to snare either in your quotes.

I still see no quotes about him being slowable, snareable or rootable...

That is clearly not enough information. That is more information in favor of my bug report. No stuns, fantastic. He also mentions no Snares.... AKA very MR.

[pasi]

I'm not the one making the positive claim here relative to the default of EQ mobs.

You really do need to look at the source of your evidence though, man. For all of us.

If we would just go by anything that was posted in 2001, you'd have shit implemented like Tola eating corpses via Everlore posts.

[pasi]

With that said, you did find out that he drops 2 items. Props to that.

[Daldaen]

Everlore posts are pretty notorious for being horribly inaccurate on wild claims like that.

But dude... find me ONE post of someone in era saying they stuck a slow, snare or root. The posts you have are of players who actually killed the mob. Not the Everlore posts of level 20's giving their opinions on level 55 dragons.

I'm impressed that you find a french website about that guy though. Vetting 12-13 year old posters is pretty rough

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But dude... find me ONE post of someone in era saying they stuck a slow, snare or root.

This isn't the right stance to start from, Dald. It's silly to assume that everything should be impossible until it is proven possible. The vast majority of NPCs on or about level 55, whether named or trash, are NOT immune to stuff. You should be proving that Dartain is immune (or nearly so), not shifting a burden to someone else to prove that he isn't. And those comments, especially in light of pasi finding evidence to support my gut feels about them, don't seem like enough to do that.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't the right stance to start from, Dald. It's silly to assume that everything should be impossible until it is proven possible. The vast majority of NPCs on or about level 55, whether named or trash, are NOT immune to stuff.

Pretty much what I've been stating. I'm not the one making an alternative claim here.

With that said, I did still present a case since my goal is for the server to be correct rather than for me personally to be correct.

[pasi]

Again, it is YOU looking to implement a change to the server based on a level 50-52 paladins statement of

Yes, almost fully Magic Resistant

on a level 55 mob.

The onus of proof is not on me in this situation.

Implementing changes based on this level of evidence would set a very bad standard, don't you agree?

[Daldaen]

Not at all. Especially since as I've stated many times before, it MAKES SENSE.

Many mobs were magic immune to prevent slows. We didn't have that code on P99 and the 2nd most powerful mob in the Hole one could reasonably assume was immune to slow like many bosses were.

Not to mention the things Alunova adds in addition regarding there being notes of MR in the mobs coding.

However I will search for more evidence to slake your lust. Really this isn't a large change other than for a level 60 ench/shaman who solos it, as Alunova stated. A group's experience with the mob will not shift much at all.

[Daldaen]

Found an interesting map atleast:

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Not that its needed but:

July 2001

We got two withered leather tunics off the same mob - Dartain the Lost, I think. I swapped my ulthork tunic for it right away and have never looked back. It is *very nice*.

Just wish it didn't look like ordinary leather...