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06-17-2010, 08:28 PM
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It's not blind. Essentially everyone has some sort of presupposition and that ultimate presupposition leads to circular reasoning.
For example you presuppose reason you have to use reason to prove your case. And the Christian presupposes the Bible and has to then use the Bible to prove his/her case. This however doesn't mean you can't look at other evidence to investigate the claims. You can have wider or narrower circles. You can use other information to supplement each sides circular reasoning to compare one to another. So it's not as if you're left without ground to examine each others beliefs. Even Christians have to admit they need more than "just the Bible." Apart from ideas outside of the Bible they wouldn't even be able to read or understand it. | ||
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#22
06-17-2010, 09:00 PM
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I say its blind because you cant get most people out of the churches.
No matter how you talk about how the church enforced beleif during centuries under penalty of death, that they put people like Giordano Bruno on a stake and burned them for claiming that stars in the sky at night were suns just like our own. No matter how much you talk to them about how transparently manipulative church doctrines were if you go back just a little in time. If it wasnt blind faith, they would start asking themselves question because the church hasnt changed much, it just adjusted its speech a bit. The church is still trying to push for horrific things like going to Africa and saying condoms are bad when the continent is caught in an AIDS epidemic. To me the fact that they are blind relates more to the fact that they dont really see how christian faith is abused alot of the times, then theyre beleif that the bible is the voice of god. Even though theres plenty of horrific shit in the bible as well. Faith in a god disturbs me less than faith in the christian church, because at least with the faith in god there is some room to think still. Something in me tells me that the reason why christianity got so strong historically is because its beleifs were shoved down peoples throats at the end of a sword and that alone got me suspicious, even as a kid. | ||
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#23
06-17-2010, 09:23 PM
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The reason Christianity got so strong historically is literacy. Clergy could read and almost no one else could.
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06-17-2010, 09:39 PM
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#25
06-17-2010, 10:42 PM
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Man, you guys (atheists, agnostics, christians, and everyone else here it seems) have the most primitive view of religion. Kind of sad, really. It can't be real because it's an old man in the sky! lol. As was said before, yawn.
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06-17-2010, 10:51 PM
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That doesnt mean i dont respect people like Martin Luther King, Desmond Tutu and Oscar Romero. At the same time that faith in the afterlife can cause some really bad shit, for these guys, it gives them a courage that ill probably never have. Id probably stop before getting shot in the chest like Romero. | |||
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06-17-2010, 10:58 PM
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I just can't be bothered to care about religion shenanigans. Sorry, I tackled my demons when I was in my teens.... been there, done that. Can we move on to something more interesting?
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06-17-2010, 11:08 PM
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06-18-2010, 12:01 AM
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you let doctors slice you open? what the hell lol ive never been sliced open or operated on....
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06-18-2010, 12:01 AM
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i dont trust doctors one bit...
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