Best setup for rogue end game

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

B b but yous guise sez surviving fights is the real dps so surely fang is better cos it triggers more mark of karn??

I have a Silver Whip of Rage equipped more often than my claw on the ranger (but a 2h more often than DW).

IMHO if you are committed to cycling in the epic for backstabs, the whip is barely a drop over the claw and a chunk of SVM and a rune.

[sammoHung]

I simply do not get tired of warmbody raiders that dump DKP into rogues or monks and have no idea how the classes work.

Ragebringer is BiS offhand. +40 Attack is irreplaceable. That's how this game works. The higher ATK you have, the more chance you have to land hits. The more chance to land hits, the more DPS you do.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I simply do not get tired of warmbody raiders that dump DKP into rogues or monks and have no idea how the classes work.

Ragebringer is BiS offhand. +40 Attack is irreplaceable. That's how this game works. The higher ATK you have, the more chance you have to land hits. The more chance to land hits, the more DPS you do.

ATK does not affect hit chance. The only two contributors to hit chance are your Offense Skill and the Weapon Skill your weapon is using.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ATK does not affect chance to hit. The only two contributors to hit chance are your Offense Skill and the Weapon Skill your weapon is using.

I thought it rolled on mitigation AND avoidance? Or is it just mitigation? And link some proof pls

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought it rolled on mitigation AND avoidance? Or is it just mitigation? And link some proof pls

ATK is only used in the damage calculation, not the hit chance calculation.

https://github.com/EQEmu/EQEmu/blob/...ttack.cpp#L147

The link above is the EQEMU hit chance function. The variable "skillinuse" is the weapon skill being used.

Some people have tried to argue in the past that the EQEMU code is too different from P99's code to be useful. To counter this claim, please take a look at:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Game_Me...hrowing_Damage

I updated the game mechanics page to use the EQEMU's formulas. I have 10 different videos with logs of P99 parses using the EQEMU formulas across different classes, levels, and weapons. The predictions vs. The results are either identical or off by 3 damage or less. This shows the EQEMU formulas for damage are being used on P99, albeit with a few slightly different magic numbers.

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

either way - the point stands. even if +40 attack just means you get a higher damage distribution - that's irreplaceable - especially on high AC targets

Yes, +40 ATK is quite valuable.

[sammoHung]

I played a rogue on live from 2000-2003 and the only other rogue players were all fuckin scholars of the class.

p99 rogues are a goddamn disappointment.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played a rogue on live from 2000-2003 and the only other rogue players were all fuckin scholars of the class.

p99 rogues are a goddamn disappointment.

Nothing has changed. The dregs weighing in aren't fucking rogues. Doesn't stop them from parroting well I heard other people say... insert non-rogue player advice from another thread. It's really frustrating. You don't need a damage calculator to know Claw would outperform Fang in offhand. You do need a bit of mechanic knowledge and 6th grade math. Offhand only benefits from ratio due to damage bonus. Higher ratio better offhand. +ATK for everything is overpowered at this point in the game and throws that advice out the window.

[sammoHung]

ie: ATK rating weights your vs. avoidance roll and then on a pass of avoidance roll, ATK rating also weights your vs. damage mitigation.. or is that not implemented on p99?


either way - the point stands. even if +40 attack just means you get a higher damage distribution - that's irreplaceable - especially on high AC targets

[Samoht]

I have proof you didn't know how off hand attacks work or backstab because it's in your post history. One of us knows how this game works. The other is a self absorbed narcissist incapable of accepting impartial feedback.

Do you even play on this server any more?

You have literally been kicked out of every single end game guild on this server.

Why do you still post here?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have proof you didn't know how off hand attacks work or backstab because it's in your post history. One of us knows how this game works. The other is a self absorbed narcissist incapable of accepting impartial feedback.

Do you even play on this server any more?

See? Weak posts. He has no evidence my current underatanding of the game is flawed.

His logic is silly: "At one point in time someone was wrong, therefore they can never be right".

He probably doesn't realize that this logic would apply to himself as well. If we found any post on the internet in the past showing Samoht didn't know something, he still doesn't know it in 2026 according to Samoht.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have literally been kicked out of every single end game guild on this server.

I have been kicked out of zero guilds. Why lie?