I don't remember monks being able to tank 20+ years ago.

[Cecily]

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I came back to the forums for Magnetress, Wonkie, and the other person who called me cute.

RIP. Taken before your time. Welcome back btw.

[Basanos]

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RIP. Taken before your time. Welcome back btw.

lol

[loramin]

Originally Posted by WokeCat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then as I become more familiar with the community, and read the forums and reddit more, and even talk to people on TLP, there's a lot of people pointing out that there are a lot of differences between the original version of the game and P99, it makes me wonder if Monks on P99 are just way tankier than they used to be?

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before.

But you know what I'm pretty damn certain didn't exist back in classic? Enchanters soloing the Plane of Hate (and really just being gods with charm in general).

[Chortles Snortles]

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[Ooloo]

The reason p99 classic changes always seem to be negative is that it's an emu based on more modern iterations of everquest. EQ added more and more quality of life stuff as it went on, so almost any change aimed at making the game more in line with vanilla\kunark\velious on p99 will be in the direction of making the game harder to play in some regard.

Which is fine with me btw.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

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between all my bained accounts i have 5x as many posts as jibartik which makes me really think jibartik got me banned so my last account wouldn't exceed his posts cuz g-d can't lose #1 poster spot on the forums but w/e this post will probably get me banned

#amnesty for old elfs

This is not right. This is not just.


I'm one of the worst posters to ever live. I was shitposting before it was called shitposting. I shitposted before the internet, somehow. I'm full of senseless gibberish and most international legal bodies agree, it's a human right to punch me in the nose.


But I never been banned. So something is amiss. Although yes, the Times Before Velious were pretty damn toxic, so maybe you just need to soft touch it a bit more?


Banning is so weak, imo. There is so much talent ready to monkey-bat any foe, and jokesters to make pretty much anything a joke. It's kind of self-defeating to the point of intrewebb network growth.



See, let's say you are an asshole. Over time, this gets built up both in game and here, into a kind of city-state. My point is: that represents capital. Content. Not to you! To the site. That's value. It's usually minor of course, but that is what makes a site as real as such things can get. Lots of minor investments. Content.



Sites that ban lots of people quickly end up like an empty room where the walls, furniture, and the carpeting are all the exact same color.


Pantone's 2023 color of the year, Klingon Blood. Fact.


But I don't know what you did. Maybe you bilked a 85-year-old widow/half elf named Mitsy out of her life savings and deserve to die in a fire. None of that is my concern. I believe in our brave men in blue to take care of crimes.


Yeah. This operation is old. Speaking of which, I was talking to my psychiatrist and he works on a contract basis with a few local nursing homes doing p-doc duties for the dementia and parkinson's crew. He told me, p99 sounds perfect for non-violent non-tremorous stabilized patients. You know, like people who actually do very well day after day in the puzzle room, not a peep.



So me and him are thinking about setting up some computers and getting a nursing home guild up and running. He thinks it can only be therapeutic. At this one place, he is good friends with the owner, and it has perfectly adequate wi-fi, which is barely used. There are a lot of HIIPA shit he has to think about, but that seems to be the only hurdle between p99 now, and p99 with a pro-led (me) and raid-medicated (the doc) army of the near-dead.



Gotta choose a motto...


Omnes enim odorum urinae

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before.

But you know what I'm pretty damn certain didn't exist back in classic? Enchanters soloing the Plane of Hate (and really just being gods with charm in general).

Monks are terrible on EQ Mac what are you talking about?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gotta choose a motto...


Omnes enim odorum urinae

Yellow server launch when?

[mycoolrausch]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason p99 classic changes always seem to be negative is that it's an emu based on more modern iterations of everquest. EQ added more and more quality of life stuff as it went on, so almost any change aimed at making the game more in line with vanilla\kunark\velious on p99 will be in the direction of making the game harder to play in some regard.

Which is fine with me btw.

There's also the annoying thing of nerfing something because it happened to be nerfed 3 minutes before Luclin came out or w/e, so in the actual timeline it existed for 99% of velious and was always there in everyone's memories of velious, but here, on an infinite end of life luclin pre-patch timeline, it will be the opposite and not exist for 99% of velious.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by WokeCat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not actually calling for any nerfs though. I just mained the class, and it's something I wondered if other people noticed. When I first played P99, I thought it was identical to original EverQuest, I had no idea that there were differences between it and the original until years after I had been playing it. And I remember thinking "dang, I didn't know Monks could tank this well" and wondered why I spent so much time searching for tanks for my groups instead of just doing it myself 20+ years ago.

But then as I become more familiar with the community, and read the forums and reddit more, and even talk to people on TLP, there's a lot of people pointing out that there are a lot of differences between the original version of the game and P99, it makes me wonder if Monks on P99 are just way tankier than they used to be?

I genuinely remember retiring my Monk for my Rogue because I felt like they were both just DPS classes and that he Rogue dealt better DPS, but on P99, it's very easy to see why someone would play a Monk over a Rogue. I didn't feel like the advantage Monks had over Rogues was that significant back in the day; it just felt like they were squishy DPS who had Mend and FD, which made them safer to play in most situations.

Monks, especially Iksar, can tank basically all general group content until like level 40 if decently equipped. Maybe even past level 40 without being twinked but I am not sure. 50s they obviously get more squishy if not geared, but I’ve seen a geared level 60 monk tank basically every single level 50 dungeon out there. Not the most ideal tank but they were able to do it.