Between wizard and mage.

[starkind]

Wizards can pull pretty well with self rune, root, snare, stun. That 1.5 second root.

We wizards really need to make a real Wizarding guild and help eachother out. There's nothing 6 wizards can't do outside of raids. And wizards duo well with every class who could use a little help pulling or a little extra med time. Even necros. They counter balance other classes weak points. A wizard/ench duo is good. Just not "good enough" for thirsty poopsockers working on their 6th epic dkp tracker.

So. If I was 55 on green or blue I'd drag people to thurg and kael and get you your clickies.

It's not the class. It's the sad state of shambles most people are in. Soullessly grinding batphones for the few pixel kingpins everyone lets run the two competing guilds on each server.

Your only other option is to ding 60 and join them grinding dkp. Or just find other things to do in game.

No one seems to poopsock together anymore.

I remember when the efreeti in solb and giants where real group affairs. Red kinda is that way sometimes. Just with the same 12 people endlessly.

I would say if serious about wizard. Just be more patient and also more demanding. Sit on top of groups farming kael giants. Find ways to contribute and guilt and shame these nerds into showering you in your clickies.

You can pull and assist 30s, 40s groups also. Help them gather members. Bring them to Dalnir to explore. That will make friends too.

[Jibartik]

The problem with wizards is this game is just not designed to be played as a long range DPS, there's no other class that does that.

They def should have had like PBAOE stuns and more efficient shadowstep lines designed for being mobile IMO

Wow turned them into everquest druids that use cold instead of snare. Not optimal Arcane design IMO!

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with wizards is this game is just not designed to be played as a long range DPS, there's no other class that does that.

They def should have had like PBAOE stuns and more efficient shadowstep lines designed for being mobile IMO

Wow turned them into everquest druids that use cold instead of snare. Not optimal Arcane design IMO!

Legion through bfa and SL frost mages r quite fun and definitely way cooler than druids. Arcane has been a leet spec late bfa-shadowlands. I can't speak for classic. If you think frost is an ice druid. I say get gud.

I did the sickest shit as a crapily geared frost killing shit in packs I wasn't supposed to be able to. Before I was supposed to be able. Like 100 ilvls too early. It wasn't until I switched back to priest did I realize how good I was with frost. Dying horribly to the same shit even after bumping up my ilvl and grinding those stupid shards and shit.

Same thing with pulling dps in mythics. Just laughably ez as frost even on ST I would either top the chart cuz everyone sucked or come in a solid 3rd place just barely behind ST strong specs. Multi was just no contest.

Naw. Druids... no where near as OP.

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't harmony like level 5 or 15 ? don't need to level it far. Just a handy tip, especially if you already got a ranger or druid.

Do you think your level 5 druid is going to be able to get close enough to harmony. Also I see how you conveniently moved away from snaring with him.

I'm just pointing out your answer for why the mage could do it better is to basically "dollar store dual box a druid with him"

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by ReoDobbs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think your level 5 druid is going to be able to get close enough to harmony. Also I see how you conveniently moved away from snaring with him.

I'm just pointing out your answer for why the mage could do it better is to basically "dollar store dual box a druid with him"

Not only that,lvl 5 druid harmony lasts under 30 seconds. I also play a mage, the idea of doing this is absurd,we just use root nets to split.
Or just use a mages secret weopon,gate.

[starkind]

Or duo with a healer. Just like an enchanter does.

[Ravager]

Also, Wizard can do some silly things with relatively easy to get gear. That flux staff can pl and make duoing easy.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say if serious about wizard. Just be more patient and also more demanding. Sit on top of groups farming kael giants. Find ways to contribute and guilt and shame these nerds into showering you in your clickies.

You can pull and assist 30s, 40s groups also. Help them gather members. Bring them to Dalnir to explore. That will make friends too.

I dunno, I'm just not super confident in my social skills. How do I strongarm a necromancer or enchanter into helping me explore KC for the first time (I legitimately don't know the zone beyond the entrance) to find the dude I need charmed for the Concussion spell for instance?

Just had a few bad experiences with my last guild trying to learn the game that kind of turned me off from the class. But it's a 53 wizard I spent time into leveling, so I figured I'd make use of that by making him a DaP regular.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, Wizard can do some silly things with relatively easy to get gear. That flux staff can pl and make duoing easy.

Hell yeah, love that thing.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno, I'm just not super confident in my social skills. How do I strongarm a necromancer or enchanter into helping me explore KC for the first time (I legitimately don't know the zone beyond the entrance) to find the dude I need charmed for the Concussion spell for instance?

Just had a few bad experiences with my last guild trying to learn the game that kind of turned me off from the class. But it's a 53 wizard I spent time into leveling, so I figured I'd make use of that by making him a DaP regular.

If I get high enough to do Kaesora ever again I would love to duo or group there one day. So. There's one person that wants to [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]