TMO recap

[HippoNipple]

There is always a defining event or catalyst that ends a guilds attempt to take over number 1 but it will always be something. So veterans are tired of helping people in rags level 52-60 that then jump ship and become better geared from the number 1 guild than the veterans in a few weeks? It is inevitable, you can pick out any one event and blame it on that but something was going to cause TMO to break no matter what decisions they made.

[Uuruk]

Also Alarti RMT'd his account to Decibel

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is always a defining event or catalyst that ends a guilds attempt to take over number 1 but it will always be something. So veterans are tired of helping people in rags level 52-60 that then jump ship and become better geared from the number 1 guild than the veterans in a few weeks? It is inevitable, you can pick out any one event and blame it on that but something was going to cause TMO to break no matter what decisions they made.

dude it wasn't even that, tmo had a bunch of super dedicated players who didn't give two shits if someone guild hopped. problem was in general, tmo treated these veteran players holding the guild together like shit. bro they put me on a loot diet for almost dying of sudden illness because i couldn't raid from my hospital bed.

i have more room than anyone on this server to shit talk TMO, i attended more raids than any player in TMO and i was swarm kiting them from the day they joined the server.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude it wasn't even that, tmo had a bunch of super dedicated players who didn't give two shits if someone guild hopped. problem was in general, tmo treated these veteran players holding the guild together like shit. bro they put me on a loot diet for almost dying of sudden illness because i couldn't raid from my hospital bed.

i have more room than anyone on this server to shit talk TMO, i attended more raids than any player in TMO and i was swarm kiting them from the day they joined the server.

It sounds like you are too emotional to have an unbiased opinion on the matter. TMO leadership know how to run a guild and Agatha isn't going to bring them down on his own. People get sick of losing and putting in time with no hope of doing the content they want to do. TMO never would have contended with Empire.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like you are too emotional to have an unbiased opinion on the matter.

You don't know the history of the red guild very well then or something, because I was one of the few vets/factors who stuck it out until the end. It's not debatable that TMO ran all its best players out, it's a fact. By the time Xepiz and I left the guild, sickpuppy was the only factor left, and he untagged like a day or two later. I'm not emotional over it at all, I just feel like at some point it's time for me to say what was really going on because god forbid someone actually believed all the pro-TMO propaganda I was posting back then. Like dude sorry if you had the wool pulled over your eyes but I know what I'm talking about.

Guild. Leader. Did. Not. Carry. Pumices.

[Cecily]

To reiterate my point from blue thread, you killed TMO. It's like having an uninfected colony of monkeys (TMO) breed with a colony of Ebola ridden monkeys (Good Guys). Of course the Center of Disease Control (Empire) didn't like having a new group of possible vectors in the neighborhood, but your guild gave them Ebola, so the CDC obviously had to step in and quarantine the infection. It's science.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To reiterate my point from blue thread, you killed TMO. It's like having an uninfected colony of monkeys (TMO) breed with a colony of Ebola ridden monkeys (Good Guys). Of course the Center of Disease Control (Empire) didn't like having a new group of possible vectors in the neighborhood, but your guild gave them Ebola, so the CDC obviously had to step in and quarantine the infection. It's science.

I was never in Good Guys or Azrael, I had nothing to do with them at any point ever on this server and joined well before the merge. I was the first red player who joined TMO. You're talking to someone who ran a leveling guild and played untagged for like half a year because I didn't want anything to do with those fuccbois either, preaching to the choir son I cringed very hard at the GG merge but it isn't what killed the guild.

What killed TMO was leadership incompetence. Every single officer from TMO blue gave up shortly after Velious release, leaving DD to run the ship alone. And the ones who got banned had no excuse, as I offered every single one of them a free full emu/email account level 60 of the class they were playing when they got banned and none of them had gear. Not to talk shit, but DD had too much on his plate in real life to be running a guild single handed, and he also had no idea how to play on red or run a red guild. Not to mention dealing with our teamspeak constantly being fucked with by other guilds on red. He made some really strong moves like merging with Pandemonium, but pissed it all away by making some seriously dumb calls and saying some really dumb shit on teamspeak. He said something really dumb and the entire Pandemonium crew disbanded later that night, he did not ever show his face on red again after that. Even though Xepiz and I were the first to untag from <TMO> neither of us are responsible for killing the guild because it was already dead.

Don't take this as me shit talking DD, he did the best he could do with what he had available to him and it's impressive he didn't burn out sooner. The true failing were all of the TMO blue players and officers who gave up and quit the second adversity hit.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was never in Good Guys or Azrael, I had nothing to do with them at any point ever on this server and joined well before the merge. I was the first red player who joined TMO. You're talking to someone who ran a leveling guild and played untagged for like half a year because I didn't want anything to do with those fuccbois either, preaching to the choir son I cringed very hard at the GG merge but it isn't what killed the guild.

Apologizes then. Still, mismanagement aside, provoking Empire into a full on war before they were ready for it by taking in a guild worth of their enemies is a simple enough cause and effect relationship for me. You're more describing the slow decay of an already dead guild that hadn't realized it. Not much fun is it?

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apologizes then. Still, mismanagement aside, provoking Empire into a full on war before they were ready for it by taking in a guild worth of their enemies is a simple enough cause and effect relationship for me. You're more describing the slow decay of an already dead guild that hadn't realized it. Not much fun is it?

The bit of history you're missing, is that TMO provoked empire into a full on war before good guys ever disbanded and joined in the first place.

TMO blue officers and leadership joined holo/empire on red around 4-6 months before the guild switched servers, and were given a lot of help by the holo/emp leadership in starting out on red. The provocation started when TMO brought their playerbase to blue and Tiggles (a player who was specifically given hundreds of thousands of plat worth of droppables by holo/emp) started shit talking on the forums about how he's going to take over the server and crush empire before anyone in his guild even hit level 60.

I agree with your slow decay assessment, but I find it to be relevant considering the era i described was 80% of TMO's life on red.

You can kinda give me shit for killing the guild, since I was adamant about not wanting any kind of leadership position. Just as there were other players who were capable of helping lead who didn't want to commit. Nobody stepped up to the plate to help DD in the ways he needed it after the leadership from blue failed him.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The provocation started when TMO brought their playerbase to blue and Tiggles (a player who was specifically given hundreds of thousands of plat worth of droppables by holo/emp) started shit talking on the forums about how he's going to take over the server and crush empire before anyone in his guild even hit level 60.

I think a little too much has always been made of just how upset a little (well alot of) shit talk from Quickfingers made Empire. You guys are from Red FFS. Anyways, here's the reason for my for my opinion:

[Sun Jul 05 15:19:26 2015] GUILD MOTD: Gongshow - No raids until Tuesday morning with the exception of a Saturday night Trakanon (if you can't make it, don't sweat). Enjoy the holiday weekend. Work on 60 and VP keys if you still need it; make final preparations for Velious. *Important: Start smashing TMO. They chose to take in all of the servers scum - they are effectively Azrael, Friends, Good Guys, etc. now. Put their dicks in the dirt.*