Is Donald Trump unintelligent or just dishonest?

[James_Joyce]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok but he insists that thousands of people in New Jersey were cheering when the WTC towers came down, which has been categorically proven to be untrue. Also, what are your plans for Discord?

Here's a link for you ya disproving the laughable establishment narrative of the last few days, little monkey. I hope you were 8 years old or less in 2001 if you actually didn't remember this.

TRUMP 100% Vindicated: CBS Reports ‘Swarm’ On Rooftops Celebrating 9/11

Now switch the TV off, it's fucking up your mind.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a link for you ya disproving the laughable establishment narrative of the last few days, little monkey. I hope you were 8 years old or less in 2001 if you actually didn't remember this.

TRUMP 100% Vindicated: CBS Reports ‘Swarm’ On Rooftops Celebrating 9/11

Now switch the TV off, it's fucking up your mind.

Thank you. CBS is credible network news and they will have to respect it. Megyn Kelly can shut the fuck up now.

[Hoozi]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a link for you ya disproving the laughable establishment narrative of the last few days, little monkey. I hope you were 8 years old or less in 2001 if you actually didn't remember this.

TRUMP 100% Vindicated: CBS Reports ‘Swarm’ On Rooftops Celebrating 9/11

Now switch the TV off, it's fucking up your mind.

Nice.

[Kyff]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a link for you ya disproving the laughable establishment narrative of the last few days, little monkey. I hope you were 8 years old or less in 2001 if you actually didn't remember this.

TRUMP 100% Vindicated: CBS Reports ‘Swarm’ On Rooftops Celebrating 9/11

Now switch the TV off, it's fucking up your mind.

The report clearly says: "Police were called to the building by neighbors and found eight men celebrating, six of them tenants in the building." PLease explain the difference of at least 1992 persons between eight men celebrating and alleged thousands.

[Lune]

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

He is dishonest. I can only guess how many illegal immigrants he has employed cleaning his hotels. He's not serious about fixing immigration. Build a wall? You can tell when someone isn't serious about fixing immigration when they propose something like that. A wall is powerful imagery, but it's ultimately extremely ineffective. Great Britain has the English fucking Channel and how well does that work for them? A wall also does nothing for the tens of millions that are already here, and trust me, Trump is not going to deport millions of people. States wouldn't cooperate, Congress wouldn't cooperate, and he has no realistic plan to fund such a massive operation. If you want to stop immigration, you have to target the employers that hire them. They don't come here for freedom, they come here for economic reasons, and if that impetus isn't there, they don't come. We saw that when immigration fell off a cliff during the great recession, and we see that as hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bypass the Balkan states, Spain, and Italy, to get to the thriving socialist Nordic states.

But guess what? The employers are, by and large, the people who control the politicians, and they have a vested economic interest in retaining immigrant labor and the resulting wage depression. So the same thing will happen that has been happening for decades; politicians will make a lot of rhetoric about immigration, but they won't do anything that is actually effective, because their corporate owners don't want them to... even though real, substantive immigration reform has bipartisan support among your typical middle class white.

I still believe Trump was only running for this election to further his personal brand, as he did in the last election, and he was surprised by his success, which stemmed from the entire Republican field being extremely weak, without a single good candidate, and from wide bipartisan support for tough immigration rhetoric.

I agree with some of his rhetoric, but that's all it is... rhetoric. What you have left is a deeply toxic and negative person, which are qualities unfit for presidency.

[am0n]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He is dishonest.

As is every politician. Hillary is a perfect example of dishonest. Using a personal server for government/classified e-mails and then obfuscating the fuck out of it when she was caught. Any of us peons would be thrown in jail for breaching national security; she just gets a slap on the wrist and is allowed to run for president.

[creamypeanutbutter]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

He is dishonest. I can only guess how many illegal immigrants he has employed cleaning his hotels. He's not serious about fixing immigration. Build a wall? You can tell when someone isn't serious about fixing immigration when they propose something like that. A wall is powerful imagery, but it's ultimately extremely ineffective. Great Britain has the English fucking Channel and how well does that work for them? A wall also does nothing for the tens of millions that are already here, and trust me, Trump is not going to deport millions of people. States wouldn't cooperate, Congress wouldn't cooperate, and he has no realistic plan to fund such a massive operation. If you want to stop immigration, you have to target the employers that hire them. They don't come here for freedom, they come here for economic reasons, and if that impetus isn't there, they don't come. We saw that when immigration fell off a cliff during the great recession, and we see that as hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bypass the Balkan states, Spain, and Italy, to get to the thriving socialist Nordic states.

But guess what? The employers are, by and large, the people who control the politicians, and they have a vested economic interest in retaining immigrant labor and the resulting wage depression. So the same thing will happen that has been happening for decades; politicians will make a lot of rhetoric about immigration, but they won't do anything that is actually effective, because their corporate owners don't want them to... even though real, substantive immigration reform has bipartisan support among your typical middle class white.

I still believe Trump was only running for this election to further his personal brand, as he did in the last election, and he was surprised by his success, which stemmed from the entire Republican field being extremely weak, without a single good candidate, and from wide bipartisan support for tough immigration rhetoric.

I agree with some of his rhetoric, but that's all it is... rhetoric. What you have left is a deeply toxic and negative person, which are qualities unfit for presidency.

I love you Lune. People like you give me hope for humanity.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

He is dishonest. I can only guess how many illegal immigrants he has employed cleaning his hotels. He's not serious about fixing immigration. Build a wall? You can tell when someone isn't serious about fixing immigration when they propose something like that. A wall is powerful imagery, but it's ultimately extremely ineffective. Great Britain has the English fucking Channel and how well does that work for them? A wall also does nothing for the tens of millions that are already here, and trust me, Trump is not going to deport millions of people. States wouldn't cooperate, Congress wouldn't cooperate, and he has no realistic plan to fund such a massive operation. If you want to stop immigration, you have to target the employers that hire them. They don't come here for freedom, they come here for economic reasons, and if that impetus isn't there, they don't come. We saw that when immigration fell off a cliff during the great recession, and we see that as hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees bypass the Balkan states, Spain, and Italy, to get to the thriving socialist Nordic states.

But guess what? The employers are, by and large, the people who control the politicians, and they have a vested economic interest in retaining immigrant labor and the resulting wage depression. So the same thing will happen that has been happening for decades; politicians will make a lot of rhetoric about immigration, but they won't do anything that is actually effective, because their corporate owners don't want them to... even though real, substantive immigration reform has bipartisan support among your typical middle class white.

I still believe Trump was only running for this election to further his personal brand, as he did in the last election, and he was surprised by his success, which stemmed from the entire Republican field being extremely weak, without a single good candidate, and from wide bipartisan support for tough immigration rhetoric.

I agree with some of his rhetoric, but that's all it is... rhetoric. What you have left is a deeply toxic and negative person, which are qualities unfit for presidency.

I don't understand the logic that a wall doesn't work. An illegal immigrant comes in by plane and stays, they eventually get caught and are deported. They cannot fly into the country again, and airports have massive security. They can't get over an unprotected border, what is the move? I don't get that can someone enlighten me.

Second, the fact that Trump is calling out illegal aliens is probably a strategy to earn votes in the southern states that are affected by it personally and are mostly republican states? The fact that he has hired them or didn't use them is also irrelevant because the idea is right.

According to PJ Media, the Texas DPS report found that from October 2008 to April 2014, 177,588 "unique criminal alien defendants" were booked and committed 611,234 unique crimes, including 2,993 murders:

Are those statistics lies you guys figure?

An open border policy makes no sense to me I don't even see how that's politically incorrect to say, although he used that fact to get media attention early on which worked really well.

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no doubt he's at least moderately intelligent, but nothing special. If you look at the performance of his enterprises, and weigh it with the opportunities he had being born into enormous wealth, he's a very mediocre businessman at best. Honestly I'd be embarrassed to be Trump and campaign on the strength of my business acumen when I know deep down I'm a trust fund baby and there are people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Page out there with actual skill and vision.

You actually have no clue what you are talking. His father was a successful contractor and developer in new york. Trump took advantage of his fathers success, sure. However, he did FAR FAR better than his father.

At his father's death in 1999, he was worth about 300 million. By 1999, Trump had already earned more than a billion, lost a lot of it, and then earned it again. Today he is worth 4.5 Billion, which is 15 times more than his father.

Trump is obviously a smart guy as he went to Warton, one of the hardest MBA programs in the county. Sure it wasn't as hard to get in as today, but it still suggests that he was a fairly smart guy.

Personally I would be embarrassed to speak so dogmatically from a position of complete ignorance.

All that said, I do not beleive donald believes half the shit he says. He is taking a gamble and will probably loose. But in the end, he has more political gravitas now than as when he started his campaign.

He will always have political followers from now on.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You actually have no clue what you are talking. His father was a successful contractor and developer in new york. Trump took advantage of his fathers success, sure. However, he did FAR FAR better than his father.

At his father's death in 1999, he was worth about 300 million. By 1999, Trump had already earned more than a billion, lost a lot of it, and then earned it again. Today he is worth 4.5 Billion, which is 15 times more than his father.

Trump is obviously a smart guy as he went to Warton, one of the hardest MBA programs in the county. Sure it wasn't as hard to get in as today, but it still suggests that he was a fairly smart guy.

Personally I would be embarrassed to speak so dogmatically from a position of complete ignorance.

All that said, I do not beleive donald believes half the shit he says. He is taking a gamble and will probably loose. But in the end, he has more political gravitas now than as when he started his campaign.

He will always have political followers from now on.

I don't know where you are getting the idea that I said he didn't do better than his father, because that has nothing to do with my post. I also didn't deny Trump was a smart guy. The privileged children of rich parents often are.

What I said was he inherited anywhere from 40-200 million dollars from his father, and you'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to not do well for yourself with that much money to invest. In fact, Trump would be wealthier right now had he simply invest his money S&P 500 instead of being a mediocre businessman.

Also keep in mind how much more difficult it is to work your way from nothing to $300 million, than from $300 million into the billions. It's far easier to make money when you have significant amounts of assets and capital available.