Play Nice Policy/LNS/RvR needs overhaul before Velious

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Lime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is the difference between playing poker for pennies, and playing the game with real stakes on the line. Yes you will play poker less often, but the games will be much more epic and exciting. Do you think anyone would care about the World Series of Poker if they played for fun with no stakes to be lost or won?

wut? do u even play on this server? you want even LESS pvp than there already is? the stakes are the same, the mob. we had it "your" way for 3 years. we had about 5-7 mass pvp fights in those 3 years. gtfo.

[HalflingWarrior]

GMS gonna have their hands full on Blue when Velious comes. Red99 gonna be wild west style

[Swish]

Originally Posted by HalflingWarrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GMS gonna have their hands full on Blue when Velious comes. Red99 gonna be wild west style

North Ro on opening night needs to be recorded for server history.

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[Saludeen]

TLDR version: Get rid of LNS rule. Let people deal with it. If you don't, then bads will zerg you, die, then regroup and keep attacking your raid.

I Agree. If you need to LNS then you can try to sneak it out, play an alt, or do something in RL. You could enter a treaty and agree not to attack the raid again that night. If you break the treaty, then they'll corpse camp you for months and attack the raid you just wiped.

Suif
31 Bard.

[Grimjaw]

read the tldr part. we're way past mediocre already, buddy

[Larken]

Originally Posted by Lime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole point of a pvp server is for players to settle issues in game through player vs player combat not the petition quest afterwards. The pvp here is reminiscent of tattling children crying to mommy, and I have to wonder how the staff can look at what any of the tattling children have to say with any merit.

The pvp here comes without any risk of penalty, corpse camping, or bind camping. It is the lowest risk and lowest reward game-play seen on any eq pvp server to date, and it is pretty obvious why most of the pvp players have moved on and the server is mostly blue refugees. The sad state of affairs that even pvping on one of the new WoW emulators you have the ability to corpse camp people that deserve it where as here you cannot even yellow text someone twice in 30 minutes without people screaming for your account to be banned.

Velious release will further show the ridiculous nature of current policies as you will be unable to deny access to zones like Temple of Veeshan by holding Western Wastes as people can simply call LNS for a force of 7 or more after 1 death and waltz past your blockade and into ToV to collect pixels with friends without even a scratch under your current policy.

This is made worse by the fact that a defending force in ToV and an offensive force in Western Wastes is a stalemate that is very common in Velious and the offensive force can continually engage the defensive force with no risk to themselves as they can call LNS at any time for their raid, take a 1 hour time out outside while they rebuff and reinforce, and engage you again further into your NTOV clear.

On a live server the first time a guild lost in pvp they would get corpse camped all night while taking screenshots for the forum unless the guild leaders came to terms. Here you are going to be forced to let the enemy waltz out of your zone after 1 death to take other raid targets, or to reinforce in the next zone. When you zone into a raid zone to fight over dragons the threat of body to pixel separation should be a concern, but here people are more concerned if they got the enemy rogue accidentally agroing a mob on video so they can petition it.

The high risk high reward pvp is what made games like UO, EQ Rallos Zek, Shadowbane, and Eve great games. Everyone remembers times in games like this where they took great pixel losses or gains that actually mattered. Or that time someone was so angry they corpse camped someone for a week straight. Here the policy is to eliminate the amount of loss someone can take through LNS/PNP policies, instead of actually having the player responsible for not putting himself in the situation in the first place.

In conclusion, I hope the staff and community takes a look at their current policies, and the future of Red as a PVP server, because I feel it is on a path to mediocrity.

Well said. GM's should let players settle their own dramas, and only actively look for cheaters. They shouldn't even interfere with bad language as you always have the option to ignore someone and/or filter the words out. The more rules there are the messier it becomes. Let the server rules be "the rules of the jungle."

[red99playing]

@Lime

Good post, this topic needs staff attention surely.

Originally Posted by Lime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole point of a pvp server is for players to settle issues in game through player vs player combat not the petition quest afterwards. The pvp here is reminiscent of tattling children crying to mommy, and I have to wonder how the staff can look at what any of the tattling children have to say with any merit.

The current stated rules were put into place to allow new players to jump into red and establish themselves without having been on the box since it's release. They're also in place to keep the server from having a high turn over of grieved to death people, leaving only one established guild. Both quite necessary to server health, they are an arguably fair list of rules that are just poorly enforced and require some situational clarification.

The situation is that the rules put in place require a heavy and/or consistent staff on red. The vitriol and pedantry slung at the volunteer gms I can imagine would make any of the csr hang out on blue.

The solution to maintain the current rule set with minimal csr resources probably involves ruling with fear via heavy handed account banning. At this point being in the position of reviewing ban repeal pleas and accounts associated with them for every infraction would cycle back in legit players while netting all the rmt/boxers/dupers/grievers thus keeping the petition questing to a minimum. The backlog would shrink while cutting out heavy offenders.

Also something to note in this case: There is a good reason for the law in the states that punishes those that attempt to falsely accuse others.

Hypothetical for you Lime:

Imagine the saddest nerd you can, with a neckbeard so thick it's corrected his slouching. now imagine you just started on red and this guy is already farming dragons with his fellow nerds and decides on a whim to grief you off the box because he doesn't want new players on the server. whats to stop him and his majority of the server guild that doesn't have a pnp?

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by red99playing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hypothetical for you Lime:

Imagine the saddest nerd you can, with a neckbeard so thick it's corrected his slouching. now imagine you just started on red and this guy is already farming dragons with his fellow nerds and decides on a whim to grief you off the box because he doesn't want new players on the server. whats to stop him and his majority of the server guild that doesn't have a pnp?

@ red99: Man you're one pathetic loser!

[Lime]

Originally Posted by red99playing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@Lime

Imagine the saddest nerd you can, with a neckbeard so thick it's corrected his slouching. now imagine you just started on red and this guy is already farming dragons with his fellow nerds and decides on a whim to grief you off the box because he doesn't want new players on the server. whats to stop him and his majority of the server guild that doesn't have a pnp?

While I think you could revamp the PNP policy to protect newer players and exclude the high end player, I personally don't think anyone on a pvp server should have an inherent right to safety. Many of the big guilds already have systems in place to power level and protect low level characters while they get set up on red and actively recruit anyone they can to replace the churn of the endgame raid scenes.

Being a new player on Rallos Zek, you had no inherent right to safety and the ability to be killed multiple times and harassed with item loss. The players formed communities and anti-pk alliances where they protected themselves in vigilante anti-pk groups that would protect new players as well as punish and ostracize undesirable players.

With current policy there is little reason for player interaction as you simply LNS without risk to the next zone and continue on your leveling process with no risk to yourself and no real way to punish a PK player as he can simply do the same. This creates a game play system where building fellowships with other players is unnecessary as you can solve all your problems yourself, which is against the very nature of a community driven game like Everquest.

[Rednaros]

Tldr, u contesting or not?