Why Variance is good, something we can all agree with.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What was it like in classic times? It sure seemed like ever couple weeks they would patch, do server maintenance, server splits, etc.

There was a ton of patching in live, way too much to simulate here.

This is a good link just to see the dates in a condensed form:
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php

Not all of those required the server to come down though, I'd have to go through and see. Probably close to twice a month on average. Keep in mind they always did the non-emergency patching at the exact same time and pretty much on the same day so we'd already want to break away from classic in that regard. If this idea were to happen it really should be what we think is best in our situation not what happened back then.

[heartbrand]

Agree with Pikrib. Also people really underestimate the neck beards of nihilum if you think they will let mobs stay up. I get like three bat phones a day for ragefire / dojorn / pvp.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree with Pikrib. Also people really underestimate the neck beards of nihilum if you think they will let mobs stay up. I get like three bat phones a day for ragefire / dojorn / pvp.

Agree

Don't think anyone is against a more frequent simulated repop, though i think the exact time should vary maybe between 12pm and 8pm to allow players from various places a chance to raid. This should stretch the limits of nihilum and force them to pvp over multiple targets and bring more strategy into the picture, while also presenting at least some sort of opportunity for other guilds to get a mob or two if they play their cards right.

repops should also reset timers, the true EQ way.

But you guys are kidding yourselves if you think nihilum wont go for all mobs, and that they would let even a single raid boss go untracked in a variance system.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree

Don't think anyone is against a more frequent simulated repop, though i think the exact time should vary maybe between 12pm and 8pm to allow players from various places a chance to raid. This should stretch the limits of nihilum and force them to pvp over multiple targets and bring more strategy into the picture, while also presenting at least some sort of opportunity for other guilds to get a mob or two if they play their cards right.

repops should also reset timers, the true EQ way.

But you guys are kidding yourselves if you think nihilum wont go for all mobs, and that they would let even a single raid boss go untracked in a variance system.

We'll do what we can, but simulated repops have already been proven to land targets outside our grasp. We're not going to lose a high priority target most likely but ones like Fay that take a long time to get to, or Sev that has traditionally been near the enemy bind point and also isn't high priority will be tough to take down while we worry about PD, VS, Inny/CT, etc. I think a repop situation has so much more potential for PVP than variance though. I'd love to split off a small crew and go after the enemy while the main raid force goes for the high priority targets. We'd be heavily outnumbered and it would be fun and challenging PVP.

[steve roberts]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to split off a small crew and go after the enemy while the main raid force goes for the high priority targets. We'd be heavily outnumbered and it would be fun and challenging PVP.

Won't happen, and if it did they'd only send the good players to attack the enemy, you'd never see any of the "fun". With variance and target guarding everyone would have an opportunity to be attacked or attack. Also it's about spreading the fun throughout the week...The pops being restricted to a short period of time is still a problem in sim repops.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by steve roberts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Won't happen, and if it did they'd only send the good players to attack the enemy, you'd never see any of the "fun". With variance and target guarding everyone would have an opportunity to be attacked or attack.

I'm even worse at PVE than PVP so I'd probably be relegated to running into the enemy raid force to eat as many nukes as possible before I died.

[mostbitter]

classic eq + group bonus + sim repops + pnp + custom ffa zones + custom bind rules + nerfed insta clickies not good enough azrael still not winning without trying please continue to add more non classic changes. Thanks

[Syft 2.0]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

classic eq + group bonus + sim repops + pnp + custom ffa zones + custom bind rules + nerfed insta clickies not good enough azrael still not winning without trying please continue to add more non classic changes. Thanks

so you use dial up to connect?

oh no! Then STFU about keeping it classic.

[Musetii]

Originally Posted by Syft 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so you use dial up to connect?

oh no! Then STFU about keeping it classic.

Syft, it's fine for you to disagree with Mostbitter and to become contentious, but not to the point where you are clearly being aggressive. Remember, PVP Server Chat as per Derubael, is not a place for "shit talking."

Thank you.

[Syft 2.0]

Originally Posted by Musetii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Syft, it's fine for you to disagree with Mostbitter and to become contentious, but not to the point where you are clearly being aggressive. Remember, PVP Server Chat as per Derubael, is not a place for "shit talking."

Thank you.

Was a relevant counter argument, no rules broken!

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