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Old 01-22-2014, 01:46 PM
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The rules are unjust and encourage being a doucher - this is why I/we are advocating change (because I don't want to have to be a doucher to feel like we're not getting screwed).
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Old 01-22-2014, 01:48 PM
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are IB and FE sharing their loot drops on the separate kills each guild gets on repop days?


am just curious
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:35 PM
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One guild gets two targets two guilds get 4. So what if two capable(edit: same tier) guilds choose to raid together instead of separate? I am missing the point here. Please explain simply with numbers (say imaginary week of raiding)how it is unfair.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:42 PM
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It depends on how you view it. Jeremy is viewing it one way (a single raid force abusing the rules get to double the mobs during repops), the other way of viewing it is "2 guilds get 4 mobs during a repop, the 2 guilds get half that during normal C or FFA spawns".

Note that I don't really have an opinion - this doesn't affect me, and I feel the guilds in C should work this out themselves.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:46 PM
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I wouldn't call it abusing, but I think it's unfair and encourages actual abuse. I will take this to the raid discussion forums after more discussion here in an attempt to work something out.
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Old 01-22-2014, 03:07 PM
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The very first repop we raided separately, then in vp all three guilds raided together so we would get along. Afaik we really weren't sure if fe and ib would continue to raid together. We also had no idea if tmo would be raid capable at first. Since then we've decided to raid together, and unless I'm wrong, we did the last repop together, so I don't see a problem.

I don't know why alts keep getting mentioned. Ib and fe are different guilds with different members. The only comparison would be if tmo split into two or three different guilds just to get more repop kills and then raid vp together
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Old 01-22-2014, 03:08 PM
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The very first repop we raided separately, then in vp all three guilds raided together so we would get along. Afaik we really weren't sure if fe and ib would continue to raid together. We also had no idea if tmo would be raid capable at first. Since then we've decided to raid together, and unless I'm wrong, we did the last repop together, so I don't see a problem.

I don't know why alts keep getting mentioned. Ib and fe are different guilds with different members. The only comparison would be if tmo split into two or three different guilds just to get more repop kills and then raid vp together
At one point they were the same guild......... if you go far enough back, basically the same thing if TMO were to split into multiple guilds.
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Old 01-22-2014, 03:13 PM
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If IB and FE were to agree to continue to raid together for the full repops and share a bag limit, I would have no further issue. You can't reasonably deny that anything short of this should they continue raiding together outside of repop days would be a violation of the spirit of the bag limit imposed.
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Old 01-22-2014, 03:41 PM
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Any other guild can form an alliance with another guild, we just chose to do so first.

This alliance was made before any raid scene changes.


Are you guys mad that we thought of it first?



also, as previous posters have said...when we team up there are more players getting less loot.

How is this unfair?
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Old 01-22-2014, 03:42 PM
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Are you guys mad that we thought of it first?
See, this makes it sound like you are purposefully gaming the system.
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