current raid rules...

[Skope]

Loke, Bumamgar outted in another thread that Wi/DA/IB had negotiations and proposed a raiding rules alternative to the current ones to the GMs and completely bypassed other guilds in the process. If you weren't involved then someone clearly was, or someone was lying to us about the entire thing.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering I'm an officer of DA and probably the person who handles DA's affairs with other guilds the most - I think I would know if we were creating a new set of rules. There have been ideas thrown around in casual conversation, but DA has not been a part of anything more than that.

Yeah not really sure where these talks are taking place. As another officer in DA I can attest to the fact that casual conversation has indeed taken place amongst various guild officers but no official "summit" has been scheduled in which they can be discussed in an official capacity.

[Kole1]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You failed the way i knew you'd fail, hence why i was there. I knew you wouldn't meet the roll call and you didn't, and now that you understand that you probably never will you're now contemplating whether or not you "agree" with what everyone else apparently agrees with, including the GMs.

Would you have seen a divinity force when naggy popped if IB wasn't there? Yes.

Would you have been gifted naggy after failing a roll call? You've gotta be kidding yourself...

So you knew we'd allegedly fail due to a technicality and you could swoop in.

Question Skope, do you agree with the 60 second rule? Because from my perspective, this is a pointless rule. You already give a guild, another guild, a guild who has been camping a mob for days 30 minutes. Thats all well and good, but wait, if 15 dont tell you, on command, that 15 of them are here and present, then they lose the mob too. Despite being un-afk and running around and buffing and taking last minute shits and pisses and putting out their babies that are on fire, because they didnt WHEN COMMANDED TELL YOU THEY WERE PRESENT, they have to step aside. Who came up with this rule, so I can tell them to their face they are an idiot.

There are things in the legal community that address such "de minimis" slip-ups. They are almost always forgiven. In this case, the mob was engaged within 30 minutes, and 15 people said present, yet not within the allotted time. The fight was judged on its merits, and WI won. They obviously had more than 15 un-afk, so what was the point of the roll call rule again? There's also something called getting "two bites at the apple". Generally frowned upon and never given. This is a 2nd bite at the apple. Its pointless.

If you miss a calendar call in court, your case is dismissed, generally. But if you are late, the court will often give you a break. Because you aren't a douche and they arent a douche. Its something called fairness. You apparently have no concept of fairness, unless MAYBE you felt a twinge of fairness and didn't roll because you wanted to be fair. All humans feel fairness.

But they also feel greed. and greed is wanting your cloak of flames so bad you can taste it. you can taste it so bad you could down all the "presents" to make sure there are less than 15, so you can say AHA GOTCHA BITCH ..NOW LEAVE. Well. thats a lame rule. A super lame rule. Made for sore losers who want their one last shot to make people who earned the camp leave.

Also, patting yourself on the back for keeping Divinity out of the zone, a bit of a presumption isnt it?

Roll call is pointless.

P.S. gratz Skope on your cloak of flames.

I mean, Emoqq.

[Wrei]

Why bother talking to DA at all? Isn't you MO about "we look out for our guild first and fuck the rest". So anything that isn't A. promote pooping, B. some form of rotation in which you get a larger share, you will all veto. It's really pointless. You are quite correct it is your choice as a guild to be retarded but don't come here and claim that you got the server's best interest at heart. DA is about DA, if you could sell your mom for a CoF you would.. and let's make this clear, I am NOT criticizing your attitude there, it's how you perceive at being competitive. What I am saying however is that just own up to it and stop posting drivel about wanting to find solutions... cause your not, and you won't unless it benefits DA.

[Skope]

The rule was imposed to have people poopsockers, or campers, not sit on a spawn for a large amount of time and be given the benefit of the doubt that they're there. A raid force should remain active, even when they're sitting there for days on end, and at the least 15 of them should be active. I was there for quite a while, your numbers fluctuated from 36-24 people, and at the time the roll call was shouted by Ektar your guild was already on ramp buffing and prepping and somehow still missed the roll call in that minute (assuming you're WI, because everyone else was well aware of how that goes down). You had at least 22 people who were active during that and still somehow managed not to type these words: /shout present.

Should you be penalized for it even though there were 22+ people who clearly were there? Yes. Why? Because others do as well and there's actual a purposeful reason they're there.

You asked why the rule is there and it's to prevent poopsocking from happening in the first place. DA and IB abide by the same exact rules, you're no exception.

[Loke]

Wrei, I doubt many guilds are going to agree to a deal that leaves them worse off than they were before - IB included. DA is my guild, and yes, I place the interests of my guild ahead of those of other guilds. I wouldn't be a good member if I didn't. As far as the notion that talking to DA is pointless - I think you're a bit behind the times. For the past couple weeks, both guilds have done an excellent job at communicating - and the results are noticable. Hell, even the GMs have noticed that.

[Starklen]

Originally Posted by Kole1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you knew we'd allegedly fail due to a technicality and you could swoop in.

Question Skope, do you agree with the 60 second rule? Because from my perspective, this is a pointless rule. You already give a guild, another guild, a guild who has been camping a mob for days 30 minutes. Thats all well and good, but wait, if 15 dont tell you, on command, that 15 of them are here and present, then they lose the mob too. Despite being un-afk and running around and buffing and taking last minute shits and pisses and putting out their babies that are on fire, because they didnt WHEN COMMANDED TELL YOU THEY WERE PRESENT, they have to step aside. Who came up with this rule, so I can tell them to their face they are an idiot.

There are things in the legal community that address such "de minimis" slip-ups. They are almost always forgiven. In this case, the mob was engaged within 30 minutes, and 15 people said present, yet not within the allotted time. The fight was judged on its merits, and WI won. They obviously had more than 15 un-afk, so what was the point of the roll call rule again? There's also something called getting "two bites at the apple". Generally frowned upon and never given. This is a 2nd bite at the apple. Its pointless.

If you miss a calendar call in court, your case is dismissed, generally. But if you are late, the court will often give you a break. Because you aren't a douche and they arent a douche. Its something called fairness. You apparently have no concept of fairness, unless MAYBE you felt a twinge of fairness and didn't roll because you wanted to be fair. All humans feel fairness.

But they also feel greed. and greed is wanting your cloak of flames so bad you can taste it. you can taste it so bad you could down all the "presents" to make sure there are less than 15, so you can say AHA GOTCHA BITCH ..NOW LEAVE. Well. thats a lame rule. A super lame rule. Made for sore losers who want their one last shot to make people who earned the camp leave.

Also, patting yourself on the back for keeping Divinity out of the zone, a bit of a presumption isnt it?

Roll call is pointless.

P.S. gratz Skope on your cloak of flames.

I mean, Emoqq.

Hey dipshit, the rules have been up on these boards for months. It is no one's job but your own to read them. I love how you attempted to answer the roll call and failed, only to backpedal and call the rule unfair or refuse to acknowledge it. Btw, no one gives a shit about your legal background.

[Spud]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah not really sure where these talks are taking place. As another officer in DA I can attest to the fact that casual conversation has indeed taken place amongst various guild officers but no official "summit" has been scheduled in which they can be discussed in an official capacity.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=179

well according to bumamgar you guys have already "worked together to agree on a raid-rule proposal and sent it to Nilbog" (without including us!)

Originally Posted by Kole1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you knew we'd allegedly fail due to a technicality and you could swoop in.

Question Skope, do you agree with the 60 second rule? Because from my perspective, this is a pointless rule. You already give a guild, another guild, a guild who has been camping a mob for days 30 minutes. Thats all well and good, but wait, if 15 dont tell you, on command, that 15 of them are here and present, then they lose the mob too. Despite being un-afk and running around and buffing and taking last minute shits and pisses and putting out their babies that are on fire, because they didnt WHEN COMMANDED TELL YOU THEY WERE PRESENT, they have to step aside. Who came up with this rule, so I can tell them to their face they are an idiot.

There are things in the legal community that address such "de minimis" slip-ups. They are almost always forgiven. In this case, the mob was engaged within 30 minutes, and 15 people said present, yet not within the allotted time. The fight was judged on its merits, and WI won. They obviously had more than 15 un-afk, so what was the point of the roll call rule again? There's also something called getting "two bites at the apple". Generally frowned upon and never given. This is a 2nd bite at the apple. Its pointless.

If you miss a calendar call in court, your case is dismissed, generally. But if you are late, the court will often give you a break. Because you aren't a douche and they arent a douche. Its something called fairness. You apparently have no concept of fairness, unless MAYBE you felt a twinge of fairness and didn't roll because you wanted to be fair. All humans feel fairness.

But they also feel greed. and greed is wanting your cloak of flames so bad you can taste it. you can taste it so bad you could down all the "presents" to make sure there are less than 15, so you can say AHA GOTCHA BITCH ..NOW LEAVE. Well. thats a lame rule. A super lame rule. Made for sore losers who want their one last shot to make people who earned the camp leave.

Also, patting yourself on the back for keeping Divinity out of the zone, a bit of a presumption isnt it?

Roll call is pointless.

P.S. gratz Skope on your cloak of flames.

I mean, Emoqq.

its not pointless or a technicality. its a way to ensure you actually have 15 people PRESENT and not afk. Otherwise any guild could just leave 15 of chars logged in Perma and another 15 logged in Solb and have all the naggys and Voxs they wanted forever and ever.

And its not that not that hard to type "/shout present"

Under the current rules you have every right to camp a mob just like we have every right to do a roll call. you think its dumb? so do we and thats why we want rule chages.

ANYWAY... Politics aside, grats on your first dragon

[Sizzle]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DA is about DA, if you could sell your mom for a CoF you would..

This game is serious business it looks like.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Kole1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question Skope, do you agree with the 60 second rule? Because from my perspective, this is a pointless rule. You already give a guild, another guild, a guild who has been camping a mob for days 30 minutes. Thats all well and good, but wait, if 15 dont tell you, on command, that 15 of them are here and present, then they lose the mob too. Despite being un-afk and running around and buffing and taking last minute shits and pisses and putting out their babies that are on fire, because they didnt WHEN COMMANDED TELL YOU THEY WERE PRESENT, they have to step aside. Who came up with this rule, so I can tell them to their face they are an idiot.

All the other raid guild agreed to this rule. As stated before, if you aren't active you are not entitled to anything. Keep 15 players active. If you can't then step aside. No free hand outs just because you zoned in to Hate of Fear 3 days ago.