Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[Fountree]

What ^ said ...

There's nothing classic about the entire server having the ability to raid VP. We've just gotten to the point where that's possible because of the extended content timeline. At the same time, we have to remember that nothing is stopping other guilds from raiding this zone. TMO is subject to the current ruleset and the trains just like everyone else.

[Elizabetha]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's nothing classic about the entire server having the ability to raid VP.

I love it.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, the bottom line here is that this is a people problem, not a rules problem.

The rules greatly influence both the type of people who will thrive in the environment and the actions of the people.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point was not about people breaking rules. It was about people not wanting their pixels badly enough to get that much better.

Getting better != getting more pixels. In the current environment, getting more pixels requires a substantial downgrade in overall life happiness. Most refuse (rightly) to take this path, and instead wish to change the environment of the server to allow both increased pixels and increased enjoyment. I know the brain-damaged psychopath community obtains more enjoyment from the current state of affairs, but I'm not sure we should be concerned with appeasing those who exist in the layers of feces at the bottom of the gene pool.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you refuse (rightly or not) to take the only path currently available to you, then you don't want your pixels badly enough. If you want things to change, campaign productively. Whining about how much you don't like the way things are will only disenfranchise people with any ability to help make the change and entice other people to just make fun of you.

Every single one of your insults WEAKENS YOUR POSITION AND THAT OF EVERY PERSON WHO AGREES WITH YOU. There have been several people who have made positive, calm, rational arguments for alternative solutions WITHOUT complaining about hurt feelings or things being more difficult than what they are willing to accept. I applaud those people. Why can't you learn from them?

Your posts have been quite contradictory. First you take the stance that people don't want pixels badly enough and they should just try harder in game. Your very first post on this topic stated "Look, the bottom line here is that this is a people problem, not a rules problem." Then you go on to say how people just need to try harder to win within the current rules. Now you are saying trying to change the rules is ok, but only if you do it productively, which is exactly the point of this entire thread. Loraen has been quite productive in his threads on this topic. Your responses that essentially boil down to "you don't love pixels enough" have been anything but productive.

Your second paragraph begins with a rather bizarre claim, and then takes a turn into strawman country. As it was written by a person who has a brain that produces self-contradictory material in rapid succession, I'll take it all as a compliment.

And if you get upset at my insults towards the bottom-feeding community of this server, it leads me to believe you are a part of this community, or at least you see yourself as a bottom-feeder. Don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure you're a super person. The ability to think rationally and clearly is not for everyone. We all have our own strengths and I'm sure you'll find yours.

[Orruar]

And btw, my insults are not meant as a means of affecting a change of the rules. They are meant to shame the individuals who have led the raiding game on this server to where it is today. Your apparent anger over this leads me to believe that I'm being effective. When people feel shame, they often get angry, then hopefully they learn to avoid the behaviors that led to the shame in the first place.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are meant to shame the individuals who have led the raiding game on this server to where it is today.

Any guild on a server such as this one would have ended up being hated for the same reasons, had they been successful at consistently killing dragons.

One part of this game which no one in this thread has mentioned (maybe Tassiepants did, but I skimmed his novella) is that it takes gear upgrades to kill bigger and badder dragons and thus stay ahead of your competition who want the same pixels.

Because this isn't WoW (thank God), there is nothing to stop top guilds from trying to corner the market (dragons) in order to maximize the necessary, upgraded pixels which get awarded to the toons used to kill the bad ass dragons (in VP). In fact, the necessity for toons to have upgraded pixels to kill the bad ass dragons incentivizes the need to corner the market on dragon kills in order to (1) get there at all; to (2) get there first; and to (3) stay there.

TL;DR: If you don't understand how the machination of competition works to perpetuate success and failure and their epiphenomenal feelings of hatred, fear, respect, and so on, please join your local (pick a sport) league. It's just the way it is, unless you're a "principle of utility" fanatic, which almost no one is on this server.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not angry at all. You, however, seem to be pretty upset, given your approach of attacking the messenger when you can't form a solid counter to the message.

In order to be considered an attack on a messenger, you'd have to be carrying an actual message. As your brain is simply spewing various random and contradictory statements, attacking you isn't really attacking a messenger.